So, I'm thinking of checking it out. But, can I get some real info from people who have played it? What's better/significantly different?

Is DDO better in any way still?

I'm looking for real stuphs, not really the "because Feather of the Sun" snark.

Whatchu got?

It is worth checking out IMO. But they are 2 different games. DDO is niche with character builds. NWO is much more WOWish. NWO felt like an arcade game more than a MMO.

It's not. It's just different. Personally I'm not sure how much replayability I will find once I cap my first toon, although the Foundry is a pretty cool idea.

Having said that, it costs you absolutely nothing to check it out. I've not spent a penny and haven't found that a limiting factor yet. Sure I don't have a cat or a phoenix pet, but the content is still easily playable. Even if bosses solo on a Devoted Cleric involve all the bloody kiting in the world....

It reminded me a lot of Dragon Age.  It's much more console fantasy game than anything else.  The build options are just not there.  The play becomes very formulaic and rote.  It's fun for about a month or so, but it gets old quickly. 

The social/grouping system is pretty weak, which limits the social aspects, too. 

Given that it is free, it is worth a look, but I still find DDO more appealing.

It's not better

I capped a couple toons,  then lost interest as there was nothing to do.  It's exploit ridden far more than ddo,  and to make things worse I tried to log in a couple weeks ago and discovered my characters were gone,  not that I was banned just had empty toon slots.  Talking to cs,  I wasn't hacked, and while they didn't say it, if I wasn't hacked the only other option is that they lost data.  A very bad thing for an mmo.

games good not great.  Ive capped my cleric and gotten a 9k GS, so running the TierII Epics currently.  The T2s are alot more fun the most of the other boss fights in the game, but in general the end game is lacking and small.

That said, ive had alot of fun with it, and only dropped $10 on it

Another point is that the game is too easy.  You can cap in a matter of a few weeks, gear in a few more.  After that, the toon is basically done.  Just like in DDO pre-TR, at this point you are rolling a new character if you want to keep playing and have anything to do. 

With only 5 classes (3 of which are even fun at end game) and basically no build variation in each class, you run out of stuff to do pretty quick.  Since race has little to no impact on game play, they either have to release new classes, make the game tougher, or do something to extend the game play.

Well, it is like three weeks after going live in a F2P game.  Cant really compare that to a 7-10 year old game. 

They are releasing 2 new classes shortly (ranger and warlock), unlocking a race (drow, and maybe a new race), a 20v20 raid, Fury of the Feywild expansion, as well as a 'Campaign System' this summer. There as been talk about a new PvP mode.  Not to mention the 100s of new quests with the foundry.

How's the combat?  Is it more active, like DDO, or click and wait, like WOW?

it's active sort of,  while you perform what ever attack animation you are doing you are rooted in place.  So sort of a hybrid

It's free, just download the crap and try the first 15 levels, it's all the same till you reach cap, pvp is full of bots and bosses all use the same mechanic which is adds, adds and more adds.

Oh in guantlegrym you just get a premade group and spawn camp the hell out of the other team.

DDO may be having problems lately but NW in no way deserves the DnD logo.

On the other hand if you liked daggerdale you may like NW.

Really, I wish they'd made it a console game instead of an MMO.  Scrap the fetch quests for some story focused missions.  Have a separate PVP system with Mass Effect 3 type leveling.  And, if the development budget allows, a henchman system which would allow hot swapping between bots and players for non-limiting co-op.

I'd gladly drop $60 on that and probably any DLC that comes down the pike.

livefreeordie wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 3:04pm:

Well, it is like three weeks after going live in a F2P game.  Cant really compare that to a 7-10 year old game.  Not to mention the 100s of new quests with the foundry.

You can compare: It is a totally different engine... unless they totally revamp it, they will remain different and no where near DnD. 

It isn't like DnD except in names and stories. You are limited to only a couple of actions that aren't DnD-like and you have a charge you can build up to do other actions.

With Foundry, you have a lot more dungeons - most scale to whatever level you currently are - but there are limits to what you can create since the objects are limited. The best thing would be story lines and the fact that you have more creative people doing dungeons and pumping them out.

Meat-Head wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 10:30am:

So, I'm thinking of checking it out. But, can I get some real info from people who have played it? What's better/significantly different? Is DDO better in any way still? I'm looking for real stuphs, not really the "because Feather of the Sun" snark. Whatchu got?

All those that tell you that NW and DDO cant be compared are idiots. OF course they can, they are both computer games so fuck you. Ill give you a straight answer OP.
DDO is better than NW.

They have both good and bad points, so you can't really compare the two.  The most fun part of NWO is probably casual PvP.  It's really easy to get into and it's not super competitive.  End-game PvP is broken though, being extremely gear dependent and full of exploits.  People take it way too seriously. 

AtomicMew wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 6:03pm:

People take it way too seriously.

Well it's fucking PvP, it has to be taken seriously. We are talking about E-peen here.

AtomicMew wrote on Jul 21^st, 2013 at 6:03pm:

They have both good and bad points, so you can't really compare the two.  The most fun part of NWO is probably casual PvP.  It's really easy to get into and it's not super competitive.  End-game PvP is broken though, being extremely gear dependent and full of exploits.  People take it way too seriously.

Casual pvp lol. Say rather its pve in the guise of pvp as more often than not you are fighting bots.

I've capped 4 classes and all of the crafting professions.  Meh.  The PvP was fun when you could get up to the enemy team's spawn point.  The PVE was ok, but it gets stale quickly.  I enjoyed it, but it didn't hold my interest for more than a couple of months.

Played a couple months, took every class to level cap. The problem for me was that - by design - there's no replay value as you level. Even if you find something you think is interesting (like skirmishes) once you out-level it you're done.

At cap there's gear grinding, a few epic dungeons, and PVP. That's it. None of which really hold my interest.

YMMV

It doesn't have ghostbane so it sucks.

The only good things about NW: the more recent graphics (capes :D) and the possibility of user-made quests (not that user-made quests are good, but the possibility is cool).

I played NW from beta to 1 month after "open beta" (a.k.a release), getting to level 40 something. The game was very repetitive, no character customization, healers could barely heal themselves, much more P2W and money grab than DDO, lead feet combat ...

Not the DDO replacement I hoped. Very disappointing.

NW is a decent game however it lacks content in a serious way. Very few dungeons to run and even less with relevant loot. If you like PVP in a D&D style it might have more replay value than it did for me.

Onceler wrote on Nov 30^th, 2013 at 5:30pm:

NW is a decent game however it lacks content in a serious way. Very few dungeons to run and even less with relevant loot. If you like PVP in a D&D style it might have more replay value than it did for me.

Lack of content is something that NW was supposed to never suffer from with the Foundry.  I guess the idea that the developer could get the players to do their work for them (Design content) doesn't work.  Turns out, you still have to develop some content of your own.

DDO was released Feb 28th.  By Halloween (8 months later) they had released 3 major Modules with a raid each and 3 small modules with 3-6 quests each.

NW Online was released June 20th.  So far they have 1 release and 1 planned for December.  They still haven't released a new class (only 5 available). 

I stopped playing after 2 months, but it doesn't sound like it's getting any better.

DiddleDoo wrote on Nov 4^th, 2013 at 10:58am:

It doesn't have ghostbane so it sucks.

But does it have Ghost bane?

They released a new class, a ranger - a ranged ranger with no option of twf. Basically, an abomination. I will only play again the day they release warlock. Until then, they can suck it.

Epoch wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 3:18pm:

They released a new class, a ranger - a ranged ranger with no option of twf. Basically, an abomination. I will only play again the day they release warlock. Until then, they can suck it.

What morons.  They get the FR IP that includes the sword coast and is based on a book series with Drizzt and they DONT give you a ranger with TWF?  I hate copycat Drizzt builds in DDO, but as a game developer you have to make it an option.  It's fucking Neverwinter, FFS.

Asheras wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 3:54pm:

What morons.  They get the FR IP that includes the sword coast and is based on a book series with Drizzt and they DONT give you a ranger with TWF?  I hate copycat Drizzt builds in DDO, but as a game developer you have to make it an option.  It's fucking Neverwinter, FFS.

I am so glad drizzt died, I just wish it was artemis entreri. Hopefulyl Drizzy comes back in one last trilogy - Saved by Lolth. Drizzt comes back to faerun as lolths chosen, and cleans house.

Epoch wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 4:26am:

I am so glad drizzt died, I just wish it was artemis entreri. Hopefulyl Drizzy comes back in one last trilogy - Saved by Lolth. Drizzt comes back to faerun as lolths chosen, and cleans house.

I didn't mind him meeting his end, but the way it went down was seriously anti-climatic.  Really a terrible handling of what used to be a great character.  But then, he's been tedious for years. 

Asheras wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 10:12am:

I didn't mind him meeting his end, but the way it went down was seriously anti-climatic.  Really a terrible handling of what used to be a great character.  But then, he's been tedious for years.

I stopped reading the series a while back. When Ent and Jar hit the surface. D is finally dead?

Coles Notes anyone? Or should I just google it?

Asheras wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 10:12am:

I didn't mind him meeting his end, but the way it went down was seriously anti-climatic.  Really a terrible handling of what used to be a great character.  But then, he's been tedious for years.

It really was, I think the useless staff bitch should have died.

Luxgolg wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 12:10pm:

I stopped reading the series a while back. When Ent and Jar hit the surface. D is finally dead? Coles Notes anyone? Or should I just google it?

Drizzt mopes.

Cattibrie dies. (Most think she went insane due to the spellplague, but it was actually Drizzt's constant emo act that took her sanity)

Drizzt mopes. 

Drizzt bangs elf girl while pining for Cattie Brie.

Drizzt mopes some more.

Drizzt does some swordplay. 

Even more moping by Drizzt.  (Yes, Stonework's minotaur slaying optionals was inspired by Drizzt's eternal moping)

Artemis bangs elf girl.  Both think Drizzt will be pissed.  Drizzt doesn't care and is generally mopey.

Elf girl decides to kill Drizzt and put everyone out of his misery.  He doesn't care and doesn't defend himself.  Artemis does and tries to stop her.  Thankfully it doesn't work.  He spends last moments moping on Kelvin's Cairn.  Which is where all the moping began years ago.

Artemis, elf girl, decently cool monk character, and annoying dwarf cleric wander off.  Nobody mopes. 

EDIT:  Throw in some typical self-psychoanalysis monologues by Drizzt at the beginning of each book section. 

Luxgolg wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 10:36am:

It is worth checking out IMO. But they are 2 different games. DDO is niche with character builds. NWO is much more WOWish. NWO felt like an arcade game more than a MMO.

Har Har Har...you facking eyesole, Har Har fack..... way to Fack

Ash summed it up nicely.

That stupid inky is dead?  Excellent.

Asheras wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 2:14pm:

Drizzt mopes. Cattibrie dies. (Most think she went insane due to the spellplague, but it was actually Drizzt's constant emo act that took her sanity) Drizzt mopes.  Drizzt bangs elf girl while pining for Cattie Brie. Drizzt mopes some more. Drizzt does some swordplay.  Even more moping by Drizzt.  (Yes, Stonework's minotaur slaying optionals was inspired by Drizzt's eternal moping) Artemis bangs elf girl.  Both think Drizzt will be pissed.  Drizzt doesn't care and is generally mopey. Elf girl decides to kill Drizzt and put everyone out of his misery.  He doesn't care and doesn't defend himself.  Artemis does and tries to stop her.  Thankfully it doesn't work.  He spends last moments moping on Kelvin's Cairn.  Which is where all the moping began years ago. Artemis, elf girl, decently cool monk character, and annoying dwarf cleric wander off.  Nobody mopes.  EDIT:  Throw in some typical self-psychoanalysis monologues by Drizzt at the beginning of each book section.

He is not dead. lol

See The Companions. 

They TR and usher in 5.0

Bazinga wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 8:34pm:

Har Har Har...you facking eyesole, Har Har fack..... way to Fack

Holy fuck...that was from 7/10. Did you just get your interwebs learner permit or something?

Asheras wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 2:14pm:

Drizzt mopes. Cattibrie dies. (Most think she went insane due to the spellplague, but it was actually Drizzt's constant emo act that took her sanity) Drizzt mopes.  Drizzt bangs elf girl while pining for Cattie Brie. Drizzt mopes some more. Drizzt does some swordplay.  Even more moping by Drizzt.  (Yes, Stonework's minotaur slaying optionals was inspired by Drizzt's eternal moping) Artemis bangs elf girl.  Both think Drizzt will be pissed.  Drizzt doesn't care and is generally mopey. Elf girl decides to kill Drizzt and put everyone out of his misery.  He doesn't care and doesn't defend himself.  Artemis does and tries to stop her.  Thankfully it doesn't work.  He spends last moments moping on Kelvin's Cairn.  Which is where all the moping began years ago. Artemis, elf girl, decently cool monk character, and annoying dwarf cleric wander off.  Nobody mopes.  EDIT:  Throw in some typical self-psychoanalysis monologues by Drizzt at the beginning of each book section.

So it did get worse(better) as the writing went on...joy

Epoch wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 3:18pm:

They released a new class, a ranger - a ranged ranger with no option of twf. Basically, an abomination. I will only play again the day they release warlock. Until then, they can suck it.

The Hunter Ranger?  He can TWF as well as use a bow.  Just hit "tab", you'll go from bow to swords and vice-versa.

Nurple

I like ddo better... but... when theres no good lfms up, like 90% of the time, itll give you something to actually play..lol..

Skrilla wrote on Jan 21^st, 2014 at 11:01pm:

I like ddo better... but... when theres no good lfms up, like 90% of the time, itll give you something to actually play..lol..

Yeah, same here. My guild had been bleeding away players from DDO for a year or two, and when Turdbin announced everybody would lose all of their enhancements and have to learn new enhancements under the new (and probably bug ridden) system, they pretty much threw up their hands and gave up.

And great Turdbin timing, it was just when Neverwinter was The New Shiny. So as much as I hate 4.0, that's where my Real Life friends are gaming, so that's where I go. That's what bugs me so much about MajMal saying DDO is OK because they still have the big spenders. I spent hundreds, and I know of at least 2 other guild mates who spent hundreds, but we're all gone because the small spenders went to NWO.

And it's really revitalized my guild, too. People who left two years ago came to Neverwinter and are playing 3 nights a week (which is big for us, we are all very casual players). We can hop on and run some quests for half an hour. No waiting to form a party, no long run to get to the quest entrance, just hop on and have some fun.

One guild mate was feeling nostalgic over DDO and we logged in one Saturday over Christmas break, the place was a wasteland. And we hit 3 or 4 major game breaking bugs in the hour or two we were on.

So while DDO has better core rules and better customization, they got rid of the thing that is my single most important factor when deciding what to play - my friends  :'(

NW is really easy, i mean that is not a problem for newbies but it makes game boring earlier. Pvp sucks as someone said before and game looks like animeish rpgs little bit (I didnt like that way). But I think at least it deserves a chance. Go for it.

I tried it for awhile but went back to DDO.
The out of game tools are great, I wish DDO had them. Character and inventory management etc.
The actual game was boring, imo and the graphics were too wow like. Giant people and weapons

Finally got around to removing this crapy game from my PC.
Didnt make it past level 20. Npcs facial expressions were creepy, combat boring. Character customization non existent.
A DnD game only in name. Most I know that played left NW went back to DDO or move on another mmo.

Foundry was a good concept, poorly executed. Could've been so much more customization, but it never really drew me in the way the NWN 1 one did.

I was very disappointed in the character models, especially faces. DDO's are better and the game is years older.

Problem with the Foundry is you cannot get real gear from it. It is fun if you just want to run a different story type quest, but if there is no chance of payoff in real gear then its only use is getting xp when you are tired of the stories in the quests.

So if it sucks so bad explain these 2 articles:

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/634/view/news/read/30115/Neverwinter-Brazilian-Partnership-Announced.html

http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/634/view/news/read/30118/Neverwinter-PWE-CEO-Confirms-PS4-XBox-One-Versions-.html

Just to be clear I am not defending it, I agree it's terrible. So very much surprised at these 2 announcements.

Definately felt like a console game anyway, so that's probably a good move.  First comment in the second article paraphrased: "hope this revitalizes the game"

I only ever played a cleric, so maybe it is better with other classes, but I know for me the solokiting the adds while dotting the boss thing got very old very fast...

Jasongnc wrote on Feb 19^th, 2014 at 3:38pm:

Definately felt like a console game anyway, so that's probably a good move.  First comment in the second article paraphrased: "hope this revitalizes the game"

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee208/wimpow/Definitily_zps7ec61c0f.jpg

wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:05am:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee208/wimpow/Definitily_zps7ec61c0f.jpg

I keep reading it as "Inflately" and it pisses me off  >:(
So, thank  you Azog.

wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:05am:

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee208/wimpow/Definitily_zps7ec61c0f.jpg

So..  I saved this picture to my computer for later use.

And Definitely is misspelled in the link address.

Sigh....

Osharan Tregarth wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:06pm:

So..  I saved this picture to my computer for later use. And Definitely is misspelled in the link address. Sigh....

GRAMMARNAZI!!! FUCK YOU!!!

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee208/wimpow/Grammarpolice_zpsd7825941.png

wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:14pm:

GRAMMARNAZI!!! FUCK YOU!!! http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee208/wimpow/Grammarpolice_zpsd7825941.png

Please, never, ever post anything that offensive ever again. I tried to look away but could not, and now I have a concussion from my brain trying to unread it...

wrote on Feb 20^th, 2014 at 3:14pm:

GRAMMARNAZI!!! FUCK YOU!!! http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee208/wimpow/Grammarpolice_zpsd7825941.png

Nicely done.  I started twitching before I even got to the caption.

I have found the new word of the damned. Thank you Azog.

Thought I'd bump this up a little. And yeah NWO was not as advertised, they picked up the D&D License for the title, that's about it. Nothing to see here.

I sense a disturbance in the force...

Because NWO has more bugs than ddo .............   :)

NWO sucks ass but I enjoyed the ass sucking as I had a few pounds of undigested meat in my colon so I thank NWO for taking care of that.

The only redeeming quality to Neverwinter imho are the devoted clerics.

Best mmo cleric I have ever played .... generally I hate the nanny bot bullshit but that game has it down pat. No huge heals no long casts. Just lots of little heals and lots of defense and lots of movement all the while doing some debuffs and dps.

As a game I tried to make NWO work. Got a GF(guardian fighter) and a DC(Devoted Cleric) up to cap with 17k/12k (top tier) gearscores respectively .... it just has too many bugs and not enough endgame to keep anyone around. Gauntylgrim was cool for about 2 raids .... but that's the only raid in the entire game and it's a PvP focused event based on a clock. If you log in after it happens you have to wait another 5-6 hours for it to come around again.

So yeah ... DDO is far better despite what they do to their clerics.

sleep. or sheep  Blaaa 

I logged into my account that has been untouched for 6 months to find someone else had left fingerprints on it.

Hacked and stripped of everything valuable. I submitted a report and expected the usual Turbine reply that there was nothing they could do.

Instead they rolled all of my toons back 6 months and I got everything back...... How's that for better than Turbine?

Daze wrote on Apr 27^th, 2014 at 4:21pm:

Instead they rolled all of my toons back 6 months and I got everything back...... How's that for better than Turbine?

This is a nice response. Good for them and good for you too of course.

Daze wrote on Apr 27^th, 2014 at 4:21pm:

I logged into my account that has been untouched for 6 months to find someone else had left fingerprints on it. Hacked and stripped of everything valuable. I submitted a report and expected the usual Turbine reply that there was nothing they could do. Instead they rolled all of my toons back 6 months and I got everything back...... How's that for better than Turbine?

Ha ... I haven't logged on mine for almost a year, I wonder what could have happened to it  :D

Because when a 2 hour maintenance downtime runs 17 minutes over, the players have gotten 6 forum updates telling them what to expect.

I know that's hardly a fair comparison, how could our community manager be expected to type with one hand firmly gripping his ban hammer and the other his needle, but still, there are a few of us who think communication with players is worth something  ::)

P.S. I'd suggest a hands free microphone and dictation software, but I'm afraid all of our updates would be about Rest's infractions and then a lot of heavy breathing :-/

so is it better than ddo?

Myth wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 9:26pm:

so is it better than ddo?

No.

Its not better. The end

Myth wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 9:26pm:

so is it better than ddo?

You can't even compare the two.

I'm not sure NWO actually exists.

game sucks kobold balls

and then you die

the end

this board having only one page is a tell

What a stupid fucking headline for this post. "why NW is better than DDO". Misleading and asstarded.

Nobody ever said NW is better than DDO. If you see someone out at your local 7-11 buying Chee-to's and a Big Gulp and the fucking loser says NW is better than DDO you better smack him in the cunt and report it here.

Silky wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 4:56pm:

DDO may be having problems lately but NW in no way deserves the DnD logo. On the other hand if you liked daggerdale you may like NW.

maaan dagger dale was a piece of shiiiiiit. i tried to trade a few times and my shit just fell thru the map forever. best part of daggerdale was spinning your toon in a circle

Well I'll say one thing for NW.  Their server seems to not be running on a potato. 

Garbage generic mmo

Jon Van Caneghem wrote on Apr 7^th, 2016 at 1:59am:

Garbage generic mmo

Definitely.  I just find it interesting that such a garbage company as PWE can somehow run a server better than Turbine.

wrote on Apr 7^th, 2016 at 11:19am:

Definitely.  I just find it interesting that such a garbage company as PWE can somehow run a server better than Turbine.

PWE makes money and likes making money (instead of playing PacMan LARP and sweating on free bagel day)... so they probably employ some competent people to keep those servers up, no matter how shite the content.

I think it helps that it is a complete new code base and new product launch.  They get to take advantage of things like 64 bit code and multithreading.

Unfortunately I think DDO's core is still from a time when the devs had to type:
LOAD "WORLDSERVER",8,1
RUN

Someone once made the analogy to me that NW was like having a front row seat to a donkey show in TJ

yeah... the view is fantastic, but you're still just watching a donkey fuck a woman you wouldn't give the time of day to....

NW looks great, but the gameplay sucks, absolutely ZERO customization, and freakishly repetitive.. it gets old very very quickly. Oh.. and be prepared to be assaulted beyond any and all expectations the second you log in by the endless, ceaseless sales pitches of the farm-brigades... it's like being at a bazaar in Cairo.

ZooperDooper wrote on May 18^th, 2016 at 1:34am:

yeah... the view is fantastic, but you're still just watching a donkey fuck a woman you wouldn't give the time of day to....

So you're saying everyone who still plays DDO would rather be assfucked than pay to see a good assfucking.

Munkenmo wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 5:32pm:

So you're saying everyone who still plays DDO would rather be assfucked than pay to see a good assfucking.

I'm pretty sure he was talking about NW. Here in the NW forums. Where people talk about NW.

noamineo wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 6:35pm:

I'm pretty sure he was talking about NW. Here in the NW forums. Where people talk about NW.

Ok.. this made me LOL.. and now my co-workers are giving me "the look"...

You sir... are an asshole.  ;D

noamineo wrote on May 19^th, 2016 at 6:35pm:

I'm pretty sure he was talking about NW. Here in the NW forums. Where people talk about NW.

Oh, so my point is true for both games then.

Munkenmo wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 2:48am:

Oh, so my point is true for both games then.

This fits right in with that Rachel Maddow reference someone made earlier.....

No freaking idea how you arrived to that conclusion..  :o

ZooperDooper wrote on May 20^th, 2016 at 3:56am:

This fits right in with that Rachel Maddow reference someone made earlier..... No freaking idea how you arrived to that conclusion..  :o

Yeah I'm with you :P pretty confusing serious of logical leaps.

Epoch wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 3:18pm:

They released a new class, a ranger - a ranged ranger with no option of twf. Basically, an abomination. I will only play again the day they release warlock. Until then, they can suck it.

Gamers wanted that thought so four E gave it to them. How many times on DDO forums do you see people complain about rangers not being the ranged focussed class. For some damn reason too many people get hung up on the word range and think ranged combat rather then one who performs long range recon which is what the ranger is about.

To be fair, in DDO the ranger past-life is +2 damage with ranged weapons. Seems silly given how nobody is using ranged stuff :P

karavek wrote on Jul 26^th, 2016 at 9:23am:

Gamers wanted that thought so four E gave it to them. How many times on DDO forums do you see people complain about rangers not being the ranged focussed class. For some damn reason too many people get hung up on the word range and think ranged combat rather then one who performs long range recon which is what the ranger is about.

They are gay and retarded. You are to.

platfarmchink wrote on Jul 30^th, 2016 at 8:02pm:

They are gay and retarded. You are to.

Its ok. Someday, strak will come and change this sub-furm. Have faith. He will come.

that guy spelled too wrong, and your post is like completely off topic and inconsequential

despite these blaring issues it is easy for me to choose who to call gay and retarded, and today is your lucky day, nolameo

you fuckin suck m8

noamineo wrote on Aug 4^th, 2016 at 7:20pm:

Its ok. Someday, strak will come and change this sub-furm. Have faith. He will come.

That's right.

eighnuss wrote on Aug 4^th, 2016 at 8:42pm:

that guy spelled too wrong, and your post is like completely off topic and inconsequential despite these blaring issues it is easy for me to choose who to call gay and retarded, and today is your lucky day, nolameo you fuckin suck m8

I mean I blatantly destroy too yet  nobody takes the bait! Fuckers!

Strakeln wrote on Aug 5^th, 2016 at 8:57am:

That's right.

it isnt right. it was discussed in detail. that one nigga had an opportunity to justify and explain why such efforts would be warranted, and he was incapable of attempting to piece together a coherent reasoning for his desires. if he is unwilling to output anything productive, we should also be unwilling to acquiest to his request
he was given a stage on which to express his demands and opinions and instead acted retarded. for that alone i would go against my own desires to keep my forum clean and leave this sub as an eternal reminder to my niggas that you better either tell me what the fuck you think or shut the fuck up



platfarmchink wrote on Aug 5^th, 2016 at 2:02pm:

I mean I blatantly destroy too yet  nobody takes the bait! Fuckers!

flavorful bait is never comparable to absolute ignorance, and no matter what you say, someone gay and retarded is waiting to trump on it

some people ask o be shat on, but other people deserve it. you ll need to get in line while we handle those who need it now like welfare.

eighnuss wrote on Aug 5^th, 2016 at 7:18pm:

it isnt right. it was discussed in detail. that one nigga had an opportunity to justify and explain why such efforts would be warranted, and he was incapable of attempting to piece together a coherent reasoning for his desires. if he is unwilling to output anything productive, we should also be unwilling to acquiest to his request he was given a stage on which to express his demands and opinions and instead acted retarded. for that alone i would go against my own desires to keep my forum clean and leave this sub as an eternal reminder to my niggas that you better either tell me what the fuck you think or shut the fuck up

Although the tone is a bit much, what you have to say is dead on so, uh, I agree with you  :-/

I certainly found the chone thread a persuasive argument to keep it. If you feel compelled to read every forum on The Vault then you deserve the pain you get from seeing this one. Just make a NoKNN type script to hide this forum and you're done, it will be faster than trying to convince people this sub should go away and then waiting for somebody to do it for you.

I've never bothered to play nwo. A good friend described it to me as soulless and of course being based on 4e. On top of that its developed by Cryptic studios who haven't done a thing right since making city of heroes. Which they got fired by nc soft who put paragon studios on it for eight glorious years.

They then went on to make champions online. Which they used to fleece the player base to finance star trek online. And then once that was up and running champions was then further bled to help fuel nwo development. Since then star trek and nwo being owned by outside companies who can bring real pressure on them champions is a sad and pathetic state that makes DDO at its worst look managed by the best of the best.

Now some devils advocate.
1. Nwo uses rooting. Counter point how often do we hear people in DDO complain about monsters running g away and having to chase them. Lazy people prefer rooting.

2. No real customization beyond superficial things.counter point how many people complain ed multi classing was superior to pures in DDO. Lazy people don't want to think about class choices.

3. Nwo leads players around with path tracers. Counter point how many times have people complained in DDO about having to find a quest entrance or their way through a wilderness. Lazy people don't want to have to think.

Believe in Strak. Not in test walls. Strak will save this sub-forum. He will change it.

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Its not, its complete shit and an insult to the memory of the previous neverwinter games.

Whoever came up with this atrocity should be summarily executed and their remains flushed down the nearest toilet.

Lhynn wrote on Oct 27^th, 2016 at 2:06pm:

Its not, its complete shit and an insult to the memory of the previous neverwinter games. Whoever came up with this atrocity should be summarily executed and their remains flushed down the nearest toilet.

y u mad, bro?

[] wrote on Oct 27^th, 2016 at 3:26pm:

y u mad, bro?

Opportunity cost.

Lhynn wrote on Oct 27^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

Opportunity cost.

You're posting on a message board dedicated to Dungeons and Dragons video game from 2006, and you're talking opportunity costs?!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[] wrote on Oct 27^th, 2016 at 4:09pm:

You're posting on a message board dedicated to Dungeons and Dragons video game from 2006, and you're talking opportunity costs?! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It seems im good at upsetting you.

Lhynn wrote on Oct 27^th, 2016 at 4:46pm:

It seems im good at upsetting you.

Oh, like totally.

Lhynn wrote on Oct 27^th, 2016 at 4:46pm:

It seems im good at upsetting you.

It's just that you're about the only person he has to talk to, most of us run the script that blocks him entirely.

When you're done wrecking him for amusement, see the "sticky" section of the "Off Topic" board to get the script, and "Sunshine and Fairy Farts" for the up to date sock list so you can block all of his accounts.

If you want more challenge, I suggest the training dummy on an airship, it has a better AI.

Meursault wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 11:14am:

It's just that you're about the only person he has to talk to, most of us run the script that blocks him entirely. When you're done wrecking him for amusement, see the "sticky" section of the "Off Topic" board to get the script, and "Sunshine and Fairy Farts" for the up to date sock list so you can block all of his accounts. If you want more challenge, I suggest the training dummy on an airship, it has a better AI.

o7
Hes not so bad tho, there are far worse.

Lhynn wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 7:10pm:

o7 Hes not so bad tho, there are far worse.

Yeah, right, why don't you try to get everyone on this board to admit they'd suck dick for money? 

[] wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2016 at 3:22pm:

Yeah, right, why don't you try to get everyone on this board to admit they'd suck dick for money?

Why?

Why not...

Yall just talking shit here.. I was looking to see whats dope about nw.. Im ok with that tho please continue..

Skrilla wrote on Nov 10^th, 2016 at 10:54pm:

Yall just talking shit here.. I was looking to see whats dope about nw.. Im ok with that tho please continue..

everything in this thread IS what is dope about NW

eighnuss wrote on Nov 11^th, 2016 at 7:06pm:

everything in this thread IS what is dope about NW

Except for you, sucking balls.

[] wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 12:36am:

Except for you, sucking balls.

precisely, because i am not a part of NW, and i dont think ball sucking is an in game system in NW. Neither myself, or the copious ball sucking inherent in your posts, is a part of NW.

im glad you were willing to help clarify my points

eighnuss wrote on Nov 12^th, 2016 at 9:46am:

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm-garble-garble-garble

Fixed it there for you, faggot.

Meursault wrote on Oct 30^th, 2016 at 11:14am:

If you want more challenge, I suggest the training dummy on an airship, it has a better AI.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j-iP9mQf8c

Asheras wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 11:15am:

The play becomes very formulaic and rote.  It's fun for about a month or so, but it gets old quickly.

You're so generous. I just checked this game out when we were visiting my brother-in-law for Thanksgiving. I got bored of the game in two calendar days (about 6 hours of playing or so). Leveled a half-orc greatsword fighter from 1 to 28 in that time, as well as a healer companion from 1 to 18 (while only going from level 20 to 28 myself). I didn't get to check out the social aspects as I was playing on a PS4 and I couldn't figure out how to chat using that controller.

About to enter 2017 and its still putrid shit.

Lhynn wrote on Dec 18^th, 2016 at 6:46pm:

About to enter 2017 and its still putrid shit.

Why the fuck would you insult putrid shit with such a comparison? What did shit ever do to you to deserve such a heinous insult?

Putrid shit can be used to produce methane. That's a viable use.

Name something so useful that NWO can be a part of. Come on try we know you can't.

karavek wrote on May 24^th, 2017 at 2:02am:

Come on try we know you can't.

Keeps fat and smelly retards in their basements.

Durk wrote on Apr 18^th, 2016 at 2:58pm:

Unfortunately I think DDO's core is still from a time when the devs had to type: LOAD "WORLDSERVER",8,1 RUN

I don't care if my reply is 4 years late but that made me choke on my food.  Fkn hilarious.