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Reply #1 - Jun 17th, 2010 at 5:00am
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Astraghal wrote on Jun 17th, 2010 at 1:52am:
I need some advice on how I should proceed from what I've got so far, whether I should LR and respec some of my stats and what gear I should be looking at aquiring next.

if you are planning on TR, then what you want to do is to hold off the LR

I am looking to maximise my AC and intimidate, while still being capable of reasonable DPS.

              Starting      Ending     Feat/Enhancement
Abilities    Base Stats   Base Stats    Modified Stats
(32 Point)    (Level 1)    (Level 20)      (Level 20)
Strength           16             23                26
Dexterity          14             16                16
Constitution       16             18                20
Intelligence       12             14                14
Wisdom              8             10                10
Charisma           12             14                14

your stats look fine. however if you plan on LR, what u can do it to lay your hands on a +3 int tome and then start base int at 10. this will allow u to still qualify for CE and save u 2 build points

              Starting      Ending    Feat/Enhancement
             Base Skills  Base Skills  Modified Skills
Skills       (Level 1)    (Level 20)      (Level 20)
Balance            3              9                13
Bluff              1              2                2
Concentration      3              5                5
Diplomacy          1              2                2
Disable Device     n/a            n/a              n/a
Haggle             1              2                2
Heal               -1             0                0
Hide               2              3                3
Intimidate         5              25               40
Jump               7              31               31
Listen             -1             0                0
Move Silently      2              3                3
Open Lock          n/a            n/a              n/a
Perform            n/a            n/a              n/a
Repair             1              2                2
Search             1              2                4
Spot               -1             0                0
Swim               3              8                8
Tumble             3              4                4
Use Magic Device   n/a            13               13

as for skills, jump has a cap of 40, so putting jump on a toon with 30+ str isnt going to help much. get a morah's belt for 3 L15 jump clickies

Level 1 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Dwarven Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I

Level 2 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I

Level 3 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1) Feat: (Selected) Bullheaded
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I

Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate II

Level 5 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II

Level 6 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Intimidate
Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender I

Level 7 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery II

Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II

Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Iron Will
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II

Level 10 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate III

Level 11 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense II

Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I

Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III

Level 14 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate IV

Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost III

Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II

Level 17 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV

Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Shield Mastery
Feat: (Selected) Shield Mastery
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage II
Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender III

Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)

Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Weapon Alacrity
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III

note that weapon focuses are not that important feats for stalwarts. just get enough for you to be able to qualify for weapon spec feats

This is the gear I currently have access to and use.

Head: Minos Legens or min2 helm +45hp, alternatively you can put intim 15 here, min 2 cloak with +6 cha tod ring with +2 exp cha
goggles: tharnes for dps, air air air +6 cha skills for tanking
Neck: Stalwart Necklack/Verik's Necklack/Death's Locket
Trinket: Dusk Heart - +1 Resistance ritual/Shimmering Arrowhead
Cloak: +6 CHA cloak/+2 CHA cloaks of greater resists see helm
Wrists: Levik's Bracers/Choasgarde
Hands: +6 DEX gloves/Spectral Gloves
Ring 1: +15 Intimidation see helm
Ring 2: Ring of Balance you want cinders ring for a stacking +2 to ac
Belt: Knost's Belt/Disease Immunity of Greater False Life
Boots: 30% Striding of + 7 Tumble/Feather Falling of +11 Jump
Armour: Dragontouched Plate - +1 Dodge ritual have 2 sets of DT, 1 for dps and another for tanking
Sovereign - Levik's Defender
Tempest - +5 Deflection
Eldritch - +5 Resistance
Shield: +5 Mithral Tower Shield - +1 Dodge ritual ideally u want leviks defender
Weapon 1: Holy/Acid/Acid Greensteel Dwarven Axe
Weapon 2: +4 Metalline Greataxe of Pure Good

I know there's a number of items I need to aquire and craft, once I loot a Levik's Defender shield I can retain the +3 insight bonus to AC while hunting for a +3 dodge bonus on sovereign tier.

Once I get enough materials, I can make a Holy/Acid/+4 insight dwarven axe for tanking. I can dual wield with the other dwarven axe for DPS as needed.

I know I need to find +2 exceptional DEX somewhere and take another armor mastery feat to squeeze another point of AC out of max DEX bonus.

If I get some +4 tomes, I can drop some of the STR/CON enhancements and pick up some more DPS.

At some point I'll be hoping to aquire a Bloodstone, Tharne's Goggles and a Head of Good Fortune.

Any advice/feedback on improving this build appreciated, thanks.

edit: I will be maxing out balance next time around and putting the remainder in jump, so I should end up with about 10-12 jump.


i'll not touch on those u mentioned
  
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Reply #2 - Jun 17th, 2010 at 6:43am
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Reply #3 - Jun 17th, 2010 at 7:15am
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make it holy, acid burst, then double shard insight +4 for min II
  
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Reply #4 - Jun 17th, 2010 at 8:13am
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Have they made tanks not suck since my hiatus?
  
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Reply #5 - Jun 17th, 2010 at 8:53am
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Mine is still sitting at 1 explorer into 17, but still level 16.  But I used a Krieg (Maldini) build updated for the evasion nerf.  One of these days I need to figure out how to fix him.

If anyone has any suggestions, it's Ruhm on myddo.  I'm not sure if he'll show up or not though.
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 17th, 2010 at 8:54am
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Demoyn wrote on Jun 17th, 2010 at 8:13am:
Have they made tanks not suck since my hiatus?


u are talking abt SnB dwarven stalwarts hitting ACs in the 90s, DR6/-, hate +200% (bugged atm from what i read), ability to hit 80+ intim for 100% lock on epic dq and come u5, when snb dwarven axe, you get glancing blows which will increase if you have thf feats
  
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Reply #7 - Jun 17th, 2010 at 9:07am
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Aranticus wrote on Jun 17th, 2010 at 8:54am:
u are talking abt SnB dwarven stalwarts hitting ACs in the 90s, DR6/-, hate +200% (bugged atm from what i read), ability to hit 80+ intim for 100% lock on epic dq and come u5, when snb dwarven axe, you get glancing blows which will increase if you have thf feats


You're a very funny person, Aranticus.  Usually you say three words and leave us wondering what you're talking about.  This time a simple "yes" would have sufficed and you go into great detail.  Smiley
  
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Reply #8 - Jun 17th, 2010 at 9:15am
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Inkblack wrote on Jun 17th, 2010 at 8:53am:
Mine is still sitting at 1 explorer into 17, but still level 16.  But I used a Krieg (Maldini) build updated for the evasion nerf.  One of these days I need to figure out how to fix him.

If anyone has any suggestions, it's Ruhm on myddo.  I'm not sure if he'll show up or not though.


not sure what tomes u used but you base stats are at 16/16/12/14/14/14. 1st get rid of the 3pal and 2rog and get all ftr to qualify for stalwart 3 then if you want evasion, get 2 rog or mnk, if not stay pure or get 2 pal for saves and a little aura

next is the stats, due to it being an old build, you prolly started with 12 int, you can dump it to 10 or 11. 14 wis is way too high, get it down to 8 (10 with tome). lower the dex and go for con
  
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Reply #9 - Jun 17th, 2010 at 11:54pm
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Demoyn wrote on Jun 17th, 2010 at 9:07am:
You're a very funny person, Aranticus.  Usually you say three words and leave us wondering what you're talking about.  This time a simple "yes" would have sufficed and you go into great detail.  Smiley


Also in U5 being able to get AC around 80 or so will mean things will actually miss you in Epic, so you can lock them down with intimidate while someone drops a heal scroll on you every now and then and no-one else takes damage (in theory)
  
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Reply #10 - Jun 18th, 2010 at 1:10am
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Auran wrote on Jun 17th, 2010 at 11:54pm:
Also in U5 being able to get AC around 80 or so will mean things will actually miss you in Epic, so you can lock them down with intimidate while someone drops a heal scroll on you every now and then and no-one else takes damage (in theory)

I didn't see that change, do you have a link?
  
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Reply #12 - Jun 18th, 2010 at 5:08am
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Hey Aranticus, a couple of questions.

If I started with 10 INT, where should I put the other build points?

With 10 INT, my skill points will be lower, so in order to maximize Balance, Intimidate and UMD, wouldn't I have to pretty much forego jump altogether?

I have a couple of sets of Dragontouched armour besides the set I wear, that I useto experiment with. Which runes should I be looking at for a DPS set?

For DPS, would it be more worth my while to dual wield dwarven axes, rather than a greataxe?

Thanks again.
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Reply #13 - Jun 18th, 2010 at 7:00am
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Astraghal wrote on Jun 18th, 2010 at 5:08am:
Hey Aranticus, a couple of questions.

If I started with 10 INT, where should I put the other build points?

2 build points can be placed anywhere depending on whether u want to cut cha or not, not cutting is fine as well

With 10 INT, my skill points will be lower, so in order to maximize Balance, Intimidate and UMD, wouldn't I have to pretty much forego jump altogether?

your int will be 12 at L7 thus gaining u 1 more skill point

I have a couple of sets of Dragontouched armour besides the set I wear, that I useto experiment with. Which runes should I be looking at for a DPS set?

my personal preference is +5 resist, corrosive salt guard, disintegrate guard

For DPS, would it be more worth my while to dual wield dwarven axes, rather than a greataxe?

Thanks again.


there is a quandry here. if u go twf, you will have lower tanking dps. choice is up to u
  
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Reply #14 - Jun 18th, 2010 at 8:31am
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Aranticus wrote on Jun 18th, 2010 at 7:00am:
there is a quandry here. if u go twf, you will have lower tanking dps. choice is up to u


With 10 INT and a +1 tome at 3, +2 tome at 7 and +3 tome at 11, I'll end up with something like 23 Intimidate, 11 Balance, 6 UMD and nothing in jump. I might as well be maxing UMD out or not taking it at all right?
  
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Reply #16 - Jun 18th, 2010 at 11:16am
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yeah, max UMD or just leave it out.  Raid loot isn't race restricted, so most of the top end stuff doesn't require UMD.  UMD is most advantageous at mid levels IMO.
  
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Aranticus wrote on Jun 17th, 2010 at 7:15am:
make it holy, acid burst, then double shard insight +4 for min II


Okay I made the holy/acid/insight axe but my slots are all screwed up again.

Now that I'm not using the Levik's bracers/Sovereign tier rune to get +3 insight bonus to AC anymore, I can wear Chaosgarde for +2 to AC. But I have +6 STR on my Levik's bracers, so I have to use Gloves of the Titan's Grip for the +6 STR.

My +6 DEX was on my gloves, so now I have to shift that to +6 DEX boots, so I can't swap to Spectral Gloves without losing +6 STR. Having DEX on boots means I can't have 30% striding on always and would have to find a slot for DEX when I do ToD, so I have to shift something to a ring slot.

I have +15 Intimidation on one slot and Ring of Balance on the other. I could put a +6 STR or DEX ring on, but that means losing +13 Balance and permanent +2 natural armour. I don't mind the armor so much, because barkskin will cover it, but the hit to Balance is bad. So I ended up replacing the Ring of Balance with a 30% striding ring and will have to either get a +6 STR/DEX ring for ToD, or just do the end fight with less 3 less AC. It's only a temorary fix because that slot is ultimately reserved for Cinder's band.

I know striding isn't necessary, but it really helps in a lot of situations, especially when not hasted in stalwart stance or just for general mobility in combat.

Decisions..
  
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Astraghal wrote on Jun 19th, 2010 at 3:57pm:
Okay I made the holy/acid/insight axe but my slots are all screwed up again.

Now that I'm not using the Levik's bracers/Sovereign tier rune to get +3 insight bonus to AC anymore, I can wear Chaosgarde for +2 to AC. But I have +6 STR on my Levik's bracers, so I have to use Gloves of the Titan's Grip for the +6 STR.

your endgame str item will be cinder's band = +6str, +1 exp con. this coupled with stalwart neck = +6 con, will give u a stacking +2 ac bonus

My +6 DEX was on my gloves, so now I have to shift that to +6 DEX boots, so I can't swap to Spectral Gloves without losing +6 STR. Having DEX on boots means I can't have 30% striding on always and would have to find a slot for DEX when I do ToD, so I have to shift something to a ring slot.

once u get the stalwart set, you can still use spectrals

I have +15 Intimidation on one slot and Ring of Balance on the other. I could put a +6 STR or DEX ring on, but that means losing +13 Balance and permanent +2 natural armour. I don't mind the armor so much, because barkskin will cover it, but the hit to Balance is bad. So I ended up replacing the Ring of Balance with a 30% striding ring and will have to either get a +6 STR/DEX ring for ToD, or just do the end fight with less 3 less AC. It's only a temorary fix because that slot is ultimately reserved for Cinder's band.

balance is needed to get up, doesnt prevent you from falling. a fighter's str can help prevent u from falling a lot and thus making balance secondary

I know striding isn't necessary, but it really helps in a lot of situations, especially when not hasted in stalwart stance or just for general mobility in combat.

Decisions..


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Reply #19 - Jun 20th, 2010 at 1:15am
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Spectral gloves are +5 DEX, unless I get a +3 DEX tome, I can't rely on Spectral Gloves to fill out my max DEX bonus to AC. So for now, I have to wear a +6 item. Embarrassed

Edit: I'll have a haste when I get my purification and can use air/air/air +6 CHA skills goggles.

Edit 2: I got a +6 STR, +5 Balance ring to replace the Ring of Balance. If I can get an RR +7 Balance one, even better.
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Reply #20 - Jun 23rd, 2010 at 1:59am
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Astraghal wrote on Jun 20th, 2010 at 1:15am:
Spectral gloves are +5 DEX, unless I get a +3 DEX tome, I can't rely on Spectral Gloves to fill out my max DEX bonus to AC. So for now, I have to wear a +6 item. Embarrassed

Edit: I'll have a haste when I get my purification and can use air/air/air +6 CHA skills goggles.




Edit 2: I got a +6 STR, +5 Balance ring to replace the Ring of Balance. If I can get an RR +7 Balance one, even better.



I use epic spectrals with +1 dex, and have +2 dex on my cinders band for +10 dex from items. When i need dps I use shintao necklace and ring with +2 str on it.

Then i use titan boots for striding/balance when needed.
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Reply #21 - Jun 23rd, 2010 at 2:03am
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yeah the only thing is he still doesnt have epic spec glove lol. this is why i told him to plan his gear around the end items he want to have and then while progressing to that stage, get stuff which can fill in the particular slots
  
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Well i didnt have em either, till i had em  Wink


Just get a pair of plain jane +6 and swap to specs when you need em until you can upgrade them.
  
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Quikster wrote on Jun 23rd, 2010 at 2:33am:
Well i didnt have em either, till i had em  Wink


Just get a pair of plain jane +6 and swap to specs when you need em until you can upgrade them.


Yep that's what I do now. I've only been playing since feb, didn't get p2p packs till a few months ago. I got lucky to pull spectrals on my 2nd time in the quest.

But with +6 DEX item I'm still 1 DEX short of filling out my max DEX bonus at +7. Not sure how easy the spectrals are to get epic (never done much epic, was going to get geared up and TR'd first), so it's probably going to have to be 2 more build points into DEX on TR, or +2 exceptional DEX from somewhere.

I miscalculated in the earlier post, even with a +3 DEX tome I'd still need +1 exceptional DEX. So unless I farm for a +4 DEX tome, which could literally take years, I may have to put +2 exceptional DEX on cinder's band. I can even the +1 exceptional CON out with a +3 CON tome I've already pulled.
  
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Re: Dwarf Intimitank Build
Reply #24 - Jul 6th, 2010 at 5:26am
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I'm close to making a greensteel wearable item, I have +6 CHA on cloak and use Tharne's Goggles atm. I want to do a tanking/UMD set of +6 CHA skills goggles and a +45 HP item but as I have +6 CHA on cloak, I'm at a loss as to where to find +6 CHA, if I put the HP on a cloak.

Any suggestions?
  
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