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Half-Elf Dilettante question
Sep 16th, 2010 at 10:18am
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I have no PnP background, so I Googled around to try and get some more info on this.  Unfortunately, I seem to be unable to find just a straight list.

Anyone have a link to a straight list or care to fill me in on how this works?  Sorry that my Google-fu is so weak on this one.
  

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Re: Half-Elf Dilettante question
Reply #1 - Sep 16th, 2010 at 10:23am
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Its a 4th edition thing so the list of things for this probably wouldn't help.

From what I've read, it lets a half elf take a basic ability from another class, in 4th ed this is stuff like once per encounter powers and stuff, or maybe first level spells?

From what I've heard DDO wise, they have mentioned things like a martial weapon proficiency, or gaining the ability to use wands and scrolls as a first level cleric.
  

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Re: Half-Elf Dilettante question
Reply #2 - Sep 16th, 2010 at 10:25am
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I had never heard of Half-Elf dilettante, so I don't think it's in 3.5e.  Or I just had a serious memory failure.

Here's the 4e SRD.

http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/4E_SRD.pdf

Unfortunately, unlike the 3.5 SRD, the 4e SRD only lists what all the powers/abilities/etc are and doesn't say anything about what they actually do.  You could actually play D&D with the 3.5 SRD.  All the 4e SRD lets you do is sound like you know some of the correct buzz words while you're in a 3.5e vs. 4e argument.
  

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Re: Half-Elf Dilettante question
Reply #3 - Sep 16th, 2010 at 11:28am
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Indeed, there is no 3.5 Half-Elf Dilettante PrC. There IS, however, an Ardent Dilettante:

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/lists/prc
« Last Edit: Sep 16th, 2010 at 11:30am by Arkat »  

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Re: Half-Elf Dilettante question
Reply #4 - Sep 16th, 2010 at 12:48pm
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A Turbine Dev posted it yesterday.

- for "good" effects, HalfElves count as either Elf or Human (i.e. to bypass UMD)
- for "bad" effects, HalfElves count as Elves.
  
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Re: Half-Elf Dilettante question
Reply #5 - Sep 16th, 2010 at 2:03pm
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Zaodan wrote on Sep 16th, 2010 at 12:48pm:
A Turbine Dev posted it yesterday.

- for "good" effects, HalfElves count as either Elf or Human (i.e. to bypass UMD)
- for "bad" effects, HalfElves count as Elves.


I don't think that's what I mean-  Check out this info from DDOCast-
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Benefits from Elves and Human side, will be getting the Dilletante feat. Can take at level 1 to get a splash of abilities from another class. Currently not in the Alpha build (as of Sept. 5th keep in mind…) but hoping to bring into the update.  Cleric dilettante will be able to use wands and scrolls “as a level 1 Cleric.” Will also get racial bonus skills to Diplomacy and Intimidate.
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Fernando describes the Cleric Dilettante above- wondering what the other class features Dilettante will have.
  

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Re: Half-Elf Dilettante question
Reply #6 - Sep 16th, 2010 at 3:14pm
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Pallai wrote on Sep 16th, 2010 at 2:03pm:
I don't think that's what I mean-  Check out this info from DDOCast-
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Benefits from Elves and Human side, will be getting the Dilletante feat. Can take at level 1 to get a splash of abilities from another class. Currently not in the Alpha build (as of Sept. 5th keep in mind…) but hoping to bring into the update.  Cleric dilettante will be able to use wands and scrolls “as a level 1 Cleric.” Will also get racial bonus skills to Diplomacy and Intimidate.
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Fernando describes the Cleric Dilettante above- wondering what the other class features Dilettante will have.


Probably minor flavor shit you don't care about. Which is half elves' 'theme'. Only problem is this is an MMO. There isn't anyone you can sucker with all fluff and no substance. No matter how much you lament on how 'youthful' they are.
  

                           

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Reply #7 - Sep 16th, 2010 at 3:23pm
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Hi Welcome wrote on Sep 16th, 2010 at 3:14pm:
Probably minor flavor shit you don't care about. Which is half elves' 'theme'. Only problem is this is an MMO. There isn't anyone you can sucker with all fluff and no substance. No matter how much you lament on how 'youthful' they are.

But they're the best looking characters in the game!!!  Fernando even said so!
  
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Re: Half-Elf Dilettante question
Reply #8 - Sep 16th, 2010 at 3:43pm
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The other one that I have heard mentioned is the fighter dilettante, which grants proficiency to all martial weapons.  If half-elves get the valenar enhancement line, it could make for an interesting falchion based warchanter, but the feats would be tight.
  
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Re: Half-Elf Dilettante question
Reply #9 - Sep 16th, 2010 at 5:00pm
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Here is what the 4e version is:
Dilettante: At 1st level, you choose a 1st-level at-will
attack power from a class different from yours. You
can use that power as an encounter power.

As found in the errata:
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/UpdateCompiled.pdf

Translating 4e to DDO would be, you could as a rogue cast MM, but with a cooldown.  Will be interesting to see what they actually do with it.
  
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Re: Half-Elf Dilettante question
Reply #10 - Sep 16th, 2010 at 6:25pm
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But they're the best looking characters in the game!!!  Fernando even said so!


Fernando was Fluffing it when he made his half elf i think

and theres gonna be some Half-Elf TAINT

Gawna please explain which taint they are talking about
The area between the sack and the crack
OR the area between the giney and the heinie.
  

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Re: Half-Elf Dilettante question
Reply #11 - Sep 16th, 2010 at 7:03pm
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But they're the best looking characters in the game!!!  Fernando even said so!



Yes, but Fernando also said that splashing Sorc on a Pally was a good idea...
  

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Reply #12 - Sep 16th, 2010 at 7:09pm
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Should think a splash of rouge would be just right for a dilettante, what with being so young out on that corner.
  
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Re: Half-Elf Dilettante question
Reply #13 - Sep 16th, 2010 at 7:19pm
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Gammata wrote on Sep 16th, 2010 at 7:03pm:
this guy understands....

Yes, but Fernando also said that splashing Sorc on a Pally was a good idea...


^  ^  ^
this guy understands....


Come on everyone.. we all know Fernando doesn't know shit about his games.  Why does this seem like a surprise to anyone?
  

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Breaken wrote on Sep 16th, 2010 at 6:25pm:
Fernando was Fluffing it when he made his half elf i think

and theres gonna be some Half-Elf TAINT

Gawna please explain which taint they are talking about
The area between the sack and the crack
OR the area between the giney and the heinie.


Gooch is for boys, taint is for girls.
  
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Hehe, I always tell my guys that's the chin rest Smiley

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Reply #17 - Sep 18th, 2010 at 1:38pm
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A lot of the usefulness will depend on whether the Dilletante cleric wand use works as in DDO (say, level of usage increases with level of character regardless of class choice) or whether it truly is wands and scrolls as a level 1 cleric.  If it scales, then I could see many UMD builds going half-elf and largely ditching UMD.

As far as I know the only dilletante feat released is the Cleric one, not sure what the others will do.
  
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Re: Half-Elf Dilettante question
Reply #18 - Sep 20th, 2010 at 5:55pm
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Eladrin added some more details today:

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=3277390&postcount=9

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My current plan is as follows (subject to change, etc.):

Half-Elves will receive their choice of a Dilettante feat as a bonus feat at first level. These feats give a little taste of another class' iconic abilities without being a true multiclass. They intentionally do not provide many benefits if you take actual levels of that class, since they generally overlap with low level class abilities. It is possible that in the future we'll tie enhancement lines to many of them, giving access to related class enhancements at a slower progression than the original class gets them.

We have things like:

Half-Elven Dilettante: Cleric
Prereqs: Half-Elf, 13 Wisdom
Benefit: You have learned much by watching clerics perform their arts. You are able to use wands and scrolls as if you were a level one cleric, and for item use purposes you count as a level one cleric in addition to any other classes you possess. This feat is not recommended for characters with actual cleric levels.

...or things like...

Half-Elven Dilettante: Paladin
Prereqs: Half-Elf, 13 Charisma
Benefit: You have spent enough time among holy warriors that you know their chants by heart. You can add up to 2 points of your Charisma bonus to all saves. This bonus does not stack with the Divine Grace ability. You are able to use wands and scrolls as if you were a level one paladin, and for item use purposes you count as a level one paladin in addition to any other classes you possess. This feat is not recommended for characters with actual paladin levels.
  
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Re: Half-Elf Dilettante question
Reply #19 - Sep 24th, 2010 at 12:04am
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Just in case anyone's still looking for this:
From T's release notes: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=206066

# Half-elves select one Dilettante feat at level one as a racial bonus feat:

    * Half-Elven Dilettante: Barbarian
          o Prerequisites: Half-Elf, 13 Constitution
          o Benefit: You have become toughened by time spent outdoors and amongst barbarian tribes. You gain Damage Reduction 1/- as if you were a barbarian. This feat does not stack with Barbarian Damage Reduction. For item use purposes, you count as a level one barbarian in addition to any other classes you possess. This feat is not recommended for characters with actual barbarian levels.
    * Half-Elven Dilettante: Bard
          o Prerequisites: Half-Elf, 13 Charisma
          o Benefit: You have the gift of song, and have learned a few tips from famous bards. You can produce a Bardic Fascinate effect three times per rest that mesmerizes nearby enemies, with a Will DC based on a Perform check (or 1d20 + Charisma Modifier if untrained) to negate. You are able to use wands and scrolls as if you were a level one bard, and for item use purposes you count as a level one bard in addition to any other classes you possess. This feat is not recommended for characters with actual bard levels.
    * Half-Elven Dilettante: Cleric
          o Prerequisites: Half-Elf, 13 Wisdom
          o Benefit: You have learned much by watching clerics perform their arts. You are able to use wands and scrolls as if you were a level one cleric, and for item use purposes you count as a level one cleric in addition to any other classes you possess. This feat is not recommended for characters with actual cleric levels.
    * Half-Elven Dilettante: Favored Soul
          o Prerequisites: Half-Elf, 13 Charisma
          o Benefit: You have fought alongside the chosen of the gods, and a little bit of divine favor appears to have rubbed off on you. You are able to use wands and scrolls as if you were a level one favored soul, and for item use purposes you count as a level one favored soul in addition to any other classes you possess. This feat is not recommended for characters with actual favored soul levels.
    * Half-Elven Dilettante: Fighter
          o Prerequisites: Half-Elf, 13 Strength
          o Benefit: You have trained with the best, and your martial skills have improved. You gain proficiency with all martial melee weapons, and for item use purposes you count as a level one fighter in addition to any other classes you possess. This feat is not recommended for characters with actual fighter levels.
    * Half-Elven Dilettante: Monk
          o Prerequisites: Half-Elf, 13 Wisdom
          o Benefit: You have meditated alongside monks in the most remote of places. You gain proficiency with the quarterstaff, kama, and shuriken, and can add up to 2 points of your Wisdom bonus to your Armor Class as long as you are Defensively Centered (unarmored and unencumbered). This Armor Class bonus does not stack with the similar monk class ability. For item use purposes you count as a level one monk in addition to any other classes you possess. This feat is not recommended for characters with actual monk levels.
    * Half-Elven Dilettante: Paladin
          o Prerequisites: Half-Elf, 13 Charisma
          o Benefit: You have spent enough time among holy warriors that you know their chants by heart. You can add up to 2 points of your Charisma bonus to all saves. This bonus does not stack with the Divine Grace ability. You are able to use wands and scrolls as if you were a level one paladin, and for item use purposes you count as a level one paladin in addition to any other classes you possess. This feat is not recommended for characters with actual paladin levels.
    * Half-Elven Dilettante: Ranger
          o Prerequisites: Half-Elf, 13 Dexterity
          o Benefit: You have hunted with some of the greatest rangers of Khorvaire. You gain proficiency with all martial ranged weapons, and you are able to use wands and scrolls as if you were a level one ranger. for item use purposes you count as a level one ranger in addition to any other classes you possess. This feat is not recommended for characters with actual ranger levels.
    * Half-Elven Dilettante: Rogue
          o Prerequisites: Half-Elf, 13 Dexterity
          o Benefit: You have learned a few tricks from less reputable sources. You deal +1d6 Sneak Attack damage, but this does not stack with the Rogue Sneak Attack ability. For item use purposes you count as a level one rogue in addition to any other classes you possess. This feat is not recommended for characters with actual rogue levels.
    * Half-Elven Dilettante: Sorcerer
          o Prerequisites: Half-Elf, 13 Charisma
          o Benefit: Your travels and adventures seem to have awakened a bit of power within your blood. You are able to use wands and scrolls as if you were a level one sorcerer, and for item use purposes you count as a level one sorcerer in addition to any other classes you possess. This feat is not recommended for characters with actual sorcerer levels.
    * Half-Elven Dilettante: Wizard
          o Prerequisites: Half-Elf, 13 Intelligence
          o Benefit: "You have studied ancient tomes alongside powerful wizards. You are able to use wands and scrolls as if you were a level one wizard, and for item use purposes you count as a level one wizard in addition to any other classes you possess. This feat is not recommended for characters with actual wizard levels.

  

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