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woody Shroud Slacker Offline Pass the popcorn Posts: 1078 Joined: Jan 26^th, 2010	Melee Bard Sep 29^th, 2010 at 12:58pm	Print Post
	So I was planning on TR'ing my cleric to FvS but started remembering how fun my WC bard was leveling up and am now debating on a melee specced WC bard. Nothing decided yet but just considering. I put a possible build together here so please feel free to tear it down and let me know if it'll work or not. I have not factored in WCII and prolly wont till it makes it through the Turbine hotfix rounds. Code Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.5.1 DDO Character Planner Home Page� Level 20 Neutral Good Warforged Male (2 Fighter / 4 Barbarian / 14 Bard) Hit Points: 344 Spell Points: 444 BAB: 16/16/21/2626 Fortitude: 16 Reflex: 9 Will: 8 � �� Starting� � Feat/Enhancement Abilities� � Base Stats� � Modified Stats (34 Point)� � (Level 1)� �� (Level 20) Strength� �� 18� �� 26 Dexterity� �� 8� �� 8 Constitution� �� 16� �� 20 Intelligence� �� 10� �� 12 Wisdom� �� 6� �� 6 Charisma� �� 14� �� 16 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 � �� Starting� �� Feat/Enhancement � �� Base Skills� Modified Skills Skills� �� (Level 1)� �� (Level 20) Balance� �� 3� �� 22 Bluff� �� 3� �� 4 Concentration� �� 7� �� 28 Diplomacy� �� 2� �� 3 Disable Device� �� n/a� �� n/a Haggle� �� 2� �� 3 Heal� �� -2� �� 0 Hide� �� -1� �� -1 Intimidate� �� 2� �� 5 Jump� �� 8� �� 31 Listen� �� -2� �� -2 Move Silently� �� -1� �� -1 Open Lock� �� n/a� �� n/a Perform� �� 6� �� 26 Repair� �� 0� �� 1 Search� �� 0� �� 1 Spot� �� -2� �� -2 Swim� �� 5� �� 11 Tumble� �� 1� �� 7 Use Magic Device� �6� �� 26 Level 1 (Bard) Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 2 (Barbarian) Level 3 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting Level 4 (Bard) Level 5 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons Level 6 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell Level 7 (Bard) Level 8 (Barbarian) Level 9 (Barbarian) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting Level 10 (Bard) Level 11 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons Level 12 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Level 13 (Bard) Level 14 (Bard) Level 15 (Barbarian) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting Level 16 (Bard) Level 17 (Bard) Level 18 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Initiate of the Faith Level 19 (Bard) Level 20 (Bard) Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song IV Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Racial Toughness III Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I Enhancement: Fighter Strength I Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness II Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery I Enhancement: Bard Wand Mastery II Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction I Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction II Enhancement: Warforged Damage Reduction III Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack I Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack II Enhancement: Warforged Power Attack III Enhancement: Warforged Great Weapon Aptitude I Enhancement: Warforged Great Weapon Aptitude II Enhancement: Warforged Great Weapon Aptitude III

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Milton Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 746 Joined: Sep 24^th, 2010	Re: Melee Bard Reply #1 - Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 1:46am	Print Post
	Spellsingers are much more fun. IMO anyways.


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Aranticus Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2110 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009	Re: Melee Bard Reply #2 - Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 4:57am	Print Post
	hold up rolling a bard. warchanter 2 is coming, you might want to run the new enhancements thru


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woody Shroud Slacker Offline Pass the popcorn Posts: 1078 Joined: Jan 26^th, 2010	Re: Melee Bard Reply #3 - Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 10:32am	Print Post
	Aranticus wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 4:57am: hold up rolling a bard. warchanter 2 is coming, you might want to run the new enhancements thru Yeah I was thinking about that. Still have to grind out some gear I want. But it should'nt be too hard to move some of the enchments around to fit in WCII when its hits. Was more concerned with the order of lvl's and feats taken. Wanted to make sure I got my lvl'ing timeline correct .
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Madcow430 Shroud Slacker Offline I have Mad Cow Disease Posts: 1207 Location: Arizona Joined: Jul 4^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Melee Bard Reply #4 - Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 5:20pm	Print Post
	My bard is also waiting for WC2 to come out and survive a hotfix. I like the build though. Mine is is pure bard and falls a bit short in the hp dept which makes me consider making my first warforged when he TR's.


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woody Shroud Slacker Offline Pass the popcorn Posts: 1078 Joined: Jan 26^th, 2010	Re: Melee Bard Reply #5 - Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 5:31pm	Print Post
	Madcow430 wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 5:20pm: My bard is also waiting for WC2 to come out and survive a hotfix.� I like the build though.� Mine is is pure bard and falls a bit short in the hp dept which makes me consider making my first warforged when he TR's. I was debating on horc as well but decieded not to because 1. the new WCII song would drop my fort below 100 2. I had already put enough time into collecting and crafting Docents I just did'nt want to grind armor. I could prolly drop barb sprint boost, hardy rage and power rage( as they only provide +1 to str and con) and mabye Damage Refuction III to make room for WCII. BTW: The last feat is my TR feat from being a cleric and it says 1d4 per two caster lvls. Would this be 7d4(14bard) or 10d4(all lvls)? Also can anyone think of something better to put there aside from my TR feat? I think that without maxi and empower or a whole lot of amp the heals from it will be kinda sucky by the time I can use them.
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Madcow430 Shroud Slacker Offline I have Mad Cow Disease Posts: 1207 Location: Arizona Joined: Jul 4^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Melee Bard Reply #6 - Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 5:42pm	Print Post
	I could be mistaken, however I believe it is calculated using all of your levels and not just the bard ones.� So� something like 11d4 five times daily at level 20.� As to a better feat choice; I'm just learning to build and wouldn't be very good at offering a suggestion.� Mental Toughness or Skill Focus: UMD come to mind though...
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Breaken Horoluth Raider Offline Go^Yourself Posts: 2013 Location: TEXAS Joined: Jul 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Melee Bard Reply #7 - Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 6:32pm	Print Post
	Madcow430 wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2010 at 5:42pm: I could be mistaken, however I believe it is calculated using all of your levels and not just the bard ones.� So� something like 11d4 five times daily at level 20.� As to a better feat choice; I'm just learning to build and wouldn't be very good at offering a suggestion.� Mental Toughness or Skill Focus: UMD come to mind though... Skill focus umd... Not reccomended my bard has a 20 cha and can cast all scrolls. Its easy to get items shroud gs triple cha skills will get you a +6 to your umd. Then there are things like the Circlet of persuasion, seven fingered gloves, Epic cloak of the silver concord that will boost you some more.

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woody Shroud Slacker Offline Pass the popcorn Posts: 1078 Joined: Jan 26^th, 2010	Re: Melee Bard Reply #8 - Oct 10^th, 2010 at 2:18pm	Print Post
	Thanks for replys. Starting to warm up to Horc on this build. Made a 32pt Horc on Lama Land with this build and seems to alright. HOrc is better dps but less skill points(should not be issue if I focus on UMD and Perform), and healer friendly. WF is loaded with immunities, Docent swap is fast, but does'nt like divine healing. Going to be a tough choice when I get there.

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woody Shroud Slacker Offline Pass the popcorn Posts: 1078 Joined: Jan 26^th, 2010	Re: Melee Bard Updated Reply #9 - Oct 23^rd, 2010 at 9:57pm	Print Post
	I am leaning toward Horc for maxing the DPS this build can put out. Here is an updated build. Let me know if you see any holes in it. One thing thats bugging me is the leveling timeline. Let me know your opinions on whether or not to swap some levels around. Code Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.7.0 BETA DDO Character Planner Home Page� Level 20 Neutral Good Half-Orc Male (2 Fighter / 4 Barbarian / 14 Bard) Hit Points: 334 Spell Points: 421 BAB: 16/16/21/2626 Fortitude: 15 Reflex: 9 Will: 9 � �� Starting� � Feat/Enhancement Abilities� � Base Stats� � Modified Stats (34 Point)� � (Level 1)� �� (Level 20) Strength� �� 20� �� 30 Dexterity� �� 8� �� 8 Constitution� �� 16� �� 18 Intelligence� �� 8� �� 10 Wisdom� �� 8� �� 8 Charisma� �� 12� �� 14 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 � �� Starting� �� Feat/Enhancement � �� Base Skills� Modified Skills Skills� �� (Level 1)� �� (Level 20) Balance� �� 1� �� 10 Bluff� �� 1� �� 2 Concentration� �� 7� �� 27 Diplomacy� �� 1� �� 2 Disable Device� �� n/a� �� n/a Haggle� �� 1� �� 2 Heal� �� -1� �� -1 Hide� �� -1� �� -1 Intimidate� �� 3� �� 26 Jump� �� 6� �� 16 Listen� �� -1� �� -1 Move Silently� �� -1� �� -1 Open Lock� �� n/a� �� n/a Perform� �� 5� �� 25 Repair� �� -1� �� 0 Search� �� -1� �� 0 Spot� �� -1� �� -1 Swim� �� 5� �� 10 Tumble� �� 0� �� 1 Use Magic Device� �5� �� 28 Level 1 (Bard) Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 2 (Barbarian) Level 3 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting Level 4 (Bard) Level 5 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons Level 6 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell Level 7 (Bard) Level 8 (Barbarian) Level 9 (Barbarian) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting Level 10 (Bard) Level 11 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons Level 12 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Level 13 (Bard) Level 14 (Bard) Level 15 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting Level 16 (Bard) Level 17 (Barbarian) Level 18 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device Level 19 (Bard) Level 20 (Bard) Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II Enhancement: Bard Inspired Braavery I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery III Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song IV Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I Enhancement: Bard Warchanter II Enhancement: Orc Extra Action Boost I Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage I Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage II Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack I Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack II Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack III Enhancement: Orcish Strength I Enhancement: Orcish Strength II Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude I Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude II Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude III Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Fighter Strength I Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness II Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery II Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery III
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Melee Bard Reply #10 - Oct 24^th, 2010 at 4:22am	Print Post
	here is a giant hole. if you are going barbarian, take at least 6 lvls for frenzy. Its a nice boost to your dps.

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woody Shroud Slacker Offline Pass the popcorn Posts: 1078 Joined: Jan 26^th, 2010	Re: Melee Bard Reply #11 - Oct 24^th, 2010 at 11:58am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Oct 24^th, 2010 at 4:22am: here is a giant hole.� if you are going barbarian, take at least 6 lvls for frenzy.� Its a nice boost to your dps. I dont know the exact math behind the extra damage you get from FB vs the haste boost you get from fighter especially when coupled with the collar. Also will prolly have to ditch GTHF to make room for cleave to get FB as I lose two feats getting rid of the fig lvls. The extra damage sounds nice but I like the working room that that the fig levels give me in regards to feats.

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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Melee Bard Reply #12 - Oct 24^th, 2010 at 12:18pm	Print Post
	Who said anything about dumping fighter levels?
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woody Shroud Slacker Offline Pass the popcorn Posts: 1078 Joined: Jan 26^th, 2010	Re: Melee Bard Reply #13 - Oct 24^th, 2010 at 12:49pm	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Oct 24^th, 2010 at 12:18pm: Who said anything about dumping fighter levels? 12/6/2 ? Thats interesting. I'll put it in the builder and see what it looks like.

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Strakeln Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Lumberjack Posts: 12345 Joined: Jun 27^th, 2009	Re: Melee Bard Reply #14 - Oct 24^th, 2010 at 1:36pm	Print Post
	Agreed with Epoch, if you're taking 4, you should be taking 6.

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woody Shroud Slacker Offline Pass the popcorn Posts: 1078 Joined: Jan 26^th, 2010	Re: Melee Bard Reply #15 - Oct 24^th, 2010 at 2:57pm	Print Post
	Alrighty I put together the 12/6/2 in the planner and will admit that it does max the dps this build will put out at the cost of lvl 5 spells and a point or two of song dps and length. GH can be made up from gird or scolls. UMD seems to be really usable as well. So self sustainabilty is still there and pretty strong. Will take a bit for the build to hit its stride I will say that. If I do my math correctly my standing HP without any of the temp hp buffs ( GH, song, DP, ect..) will be. 346 10 argo 10 WC2 20 Minos 30 GFL 60 +6 con 45 Shroud HP 40 rage 20 rage spell = 581 Again if anyone sees an issue with leveling or feat timeline let me know. Anyone know if Barb power attack and orc pwer attack enchanment stack? Code Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.7.0 BETA DDO Character Planner Home Page� Level 20 Neutral Good Half-Orc Male (2 Fighter / 6 Barbarian / 12 Bard) Hit Points: 346 Spell Points: 367 BAB: 17/17/22/27/27 Fortitude: 16 Reflex: 9 Will: 9 � �� Starting� � Feat/Enhancement Abilities� � Base Stats� � Modified Stats (34 Point)� � (Level 1)� �� (Level 20) Strength� �� 20� �� 29 Dexterity� �� 8� �� 8 Constitution� �� 16� �� 18 Intelligence� �� 8� �� 10 Wisdom� �� 8� �� 8 Charisma� �� 12� �� 14 Tomes Used +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 � �� Starting� �� Feat/Enhancement � �� Base Skills� Modified Skills Skills� �� (Level 1)� �� (Level 20) Balance� �� 3� �� 7 Bluff� �� 1� �� 2 Concentration� �� 7� �� 27 Diplomacy� �� 1� �� 2 Disable Device� �� n/a� �� n/a Haggle� �� 1� �� 2 Heal� �� -1� �� -1 Hide� �� -1� �� -1 Intimidate� �� 1� �� 25 Jump� �� 6� �� 16 Listen� �� -1� �� -1 Move Silently� �� -1� �� -1 Open Lock� �� n/a� �� n/a Perform� �� 5� �� 25 Repair� �� -1� �� 0 Search� �� -1� �� 0 Spot� �� -1� �� -1 Swim� �� 5� �� 9 Tumble� �� 0� �� 0 Use Magic Device� �5� �� 25 Level 1 (Bard) Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Cleric Feat: (Selected) Toughness Level 2 (Barbarian) Level 3 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting Level 4 (Bard) Level 5 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons Level 6 (Barbarian) Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell Level 7 (Bard) Level 8 (Bard) Level 9 (Barbarian) Feat: (Selected) Power Attack Level 10 (Bard) Level 11 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Cleave Level 12 (Barbarian) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting Level 13 (Bard) Level 14 (Barbarian) Level 15 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons Level 16 (Bard) Level 17 (Barbarian) Level 18 (Bard) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting Level 19 (Bard) Level 20 (Bard) Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Attack II Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery II Enhancement: Bard Inspired Bravery III Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage I Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage II Enhancement: Bard Inspired Damage III Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song I Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song II Enhancement: Bard Lingering Song III Enhancement: Bard Warchanter I Enhancement: Bard Warchanter II Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage I Enhancement: Orcish Melee Damage II Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack I Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack II Enhancement: Orcish Power Attack III Enhancement: Orcish Strength I Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude I Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude II Enhancement: Orcish Great Weapon Aptitude III Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Fighter Strength I Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness II Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery I Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery II Enhancement: Bard Wand and Scroll Mastery III

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Tyrsis Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 31 Joined: Aug 5^th, 2010	Re: Melee Bard Reply #16 - Oct 24^th, 2010 at 7:21pm	Print Post
	GH song comes standard on warchanter 2 =)


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woody Shroud Slacker Offline Pass the popcorn Posts: 1078 Joined: Jan 26^th, 2010	Re: Melee Bard Reply #17 - Oct 24^th, 2010 at 7:52pm	Print Post
	Tyrsis wrote on Oct 24^th, 2010 at 7:21pm: GH song comes standard on warchanter 2 =) Yes. and its great for quests with beholders or running to hound. I was thinking more along teh lines of length of the buff though. At lvl 20 with max lingering song its only 6min. At lvl 12 bard with all lingering song buffs I dont think it'll last for much past 4 min. While I could always throw another song and rebuff it, on longer quests where the shrines are few it would be better to save teh songs for buffing damage and just scroll or gird a GH.
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Madcow430 Shroud Slacker Offline I have Mad Cow Disease Posts: 1207 Location: Arizona Joined: Jul 4^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Melee Bard Reply #18 - Oct 25^th, 2010 at 6:13am	Print Post
	I like your idea. But the build looks absolutely painful to level to effectiveness in it's primary role. If you are leveling with guildies, it shouldn't be a problem. Outside of that however, I am thinking that you will have many 'deep breath' moments. This is not a build I would pug with. At least, before level 16. I could very well be mistaken though in that, people have a tendency to look for songs from bards and little to nothing else. I am just not patient enough to level a split like that. Seems like you'd not be able to fill an expected role for many levels. As a player who has a number of unorthodox build experiments, my golden rule is being able to perform the typical 'expected' party role. It's my golden rule of sorts. When you level this guy, I'd be curious to know how it's going.


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woody Shroud Slacker Offline Pass the popcorn Posts: 1078 Joined: Jan 26^th, 2010	Re: Melee Bard Reply #19 - Oct 25^th, 2010 at 10:00am	Print Post
	Madcow430 wrote on Oct 25^th, 2010 at 6:13am: I like your idea.� But the build looks absolutely painful to level to effectiveness in it's primary role.� If you are leveling with guildies, it shouldn't be a problem.� Outside of that however, I am thinking that you will have many 'deep breath' moments. This is not a build I would pug with.� At least, before level 16.� I could very well be mistaken though in that, people have a tendency to look for songs from bards and little to nothing else.� I am just not patient enough to level a split like that.� Seems like you'd not be able to fill an expected role for many levels.� As a player who has a number of unorthodox build experiments, my golden rule is being able to perform the typical 'expected' party role.� It's my golden rule of sorts.� When you level this guy, I'd be curious to know how it's going. LOL. Yeah I agree that I am sure to get many PuG declines and "WTF r u" after lvl 6 or so. My experience with playing bards is that most PuGs only really look for two things from you : Songs and/or helaing. Songs are no problem they just wont last as long as a full bard. But if I can push through to lvl 16 it will be a fun build to run around with. At end game should have no problem getting into groups. I kinda want to go with it just for the fun of it. Oh well, still a ways away. Got some gear I still need to grind out before I TR.
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Melee Bard Reply #20 - Oct 26^th, 2010 at 8:47am	Print Post
	Yes, barb and orc power attack stack.
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Breaken Horoluth Raider Offline Go^Yourself Posts: 2013 Location: TEXAS Joined: Jul 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Melee Bard Reply #21 - Oct 27^th, 2010 at 1:10am	Print Post
	This is what you can sorta look forward too this is with no yugo pots, Titan grip already ran out or else strgth would be in the 50's also HP could be higher but i dont have a Tod con ring yet. Also only +2 tomes.
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Madcow430 Shroud Slacker Offline I have Mad Cow Disease Posts: 1207 Location: Arizona Joined: Jul 4^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Melee Bard Reply #22 - Oct 27^th, 2010 at 3:23am	Print Post
	That's pretty damn impressive. I'd not figured a bard could get that high in Str, let alone HP. If it's not too much trouble, do share how you did that... Seems I have much to learn. I left my bard pureclass in anticipation of the Warchanter 2 pre. But it'd sure be nice to get into that ballpark of Str/Con. I am guessing this is a product of barb rage.


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woody Shroud Slacker Offline Pass the popcorn Posts: 1078 Joined: Jan 26^th, 2010	Re: Melee Bard Reply #23 - Oct 27^th, 2010 at 12:49pm	Print Post
	Yep. I've ran with Music before. Kinda what was behind this build. I like how the bard is a self buffing/healing machine and wanted to see what a WC could really do if I focused on melee. Should be really fun once I start working on it and get it up to end game. Pretty sure to turn some heads if I play it good and gear it up to the nines. Edit: I would also like a breakdown of your Str and Con items and numbers.
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Breaken Horoluth Raider Offline Go^Yourself Posts: 2013 Location: TEXAS Joined: Jul 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Melee Bard Reply #24 - Oct 27^th, 2010 at 5:16pm	Print Post
	Also i could reinc him and get the con higher as well as what i stated about no Excp con ring. And at only a 22 cha i can fascinate epic mobs np. I do have some epic items and shit i will have to look at it and get the whole break down. I also might ditch 2handed fighting, doesnt seem to work that well and take more toughness, I really like the build it suprises people when on a raid i choose to tank sulu or horroth on him, I did get cocky one time and played songs while tanking, one song i was good but then lost agro during the second lol but got it back quik. I dont have a link to where i got the build from or a planner because i dont you peoples builds or a planner lol. I will try to get a breakn down for you though woody.

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