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Ruinhorn Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 163 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	I love Ranged arguments Oct 11^th, 2010 at 10:30am	Print Post
	They get so uptight about their builds and I always end up getting at least 1 neg rep which no one owns up to. If players that like Ranged weren't so damn sensitive I wouldn't go out of my way replying to every post.
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	Quote: I am not the sort of person though to go all out at someone who is probably one of the most egotistical, chauvanistic people I've ever met though.
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Alekx VoD Slasher Offline Argonnessen Posts: 1895 Location: NYC Joined: Aug 21^st, 2009	Re: I love Ranged arguments Reply #1 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 10:40am	Print Post
	pew pew pew pew pew pew

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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: I love Ranged arguments Reply #2 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 10:45am	Print Post
	I know ranged fighting sucks but I want to roll an AA just to pwn that H4x0rif1c dude in PvP and listen to him whine.

	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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Ruinhorn Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 163 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: I love Ranged arguments Reply #3 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 10:50am	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Oct 11^th, 2010 at 10:45am: I know ranged fighting sucks but I want to roll an AA just to pwn that H4x0rif1c dude in PvP and listen to him whine. You get many shot at 6 so it shouldn't take you more than a couple hours.

	Quote: I am not the sort of person though to go all out at someone who is probably one of the most egotistical, chauvanistic people I've ever met though.
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MartinusWyllt Ex Member	Re: I love Ranged arguments Reply #4 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 10:55am	Print Post
	Ruinhorn wrote on Oct 11^th, 2010 at 10:50am: You get many shot at 6 so it shouldn't take you more than a� couple hours. That sounds like an event in the making. Lots of lvl 6 rangers griefing the GRIEFERS.


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popejubal Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline fnord Posts: 6364 Location: Argo Joined: Aug 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: I love Ranged arguments Reply #5 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 11:20am	Print Post
	I have an argument of moderation, but I honestly don't know how to express it correctly in that thread. Part 1) A well built and well run AA is not nearly as gimpy as people would expect because a well built and well run AA can do some neat tricks that a plain old melee type cannot AND a well built and well run AA can still bust out the melee weapons and go to town in close combat with a reasonable DPS compared to his Tempest Cousin. Part 2) Part 1 is kind of irrelevant since ANYTHING that is well built and well geared will outperform 90% or more of the population on DDO, so it doesn't really matter who is "gimp" and who isn't based on build strength. An outstanding player can still rock an AA through Epic quests and a mediocre player can still break a hip while limping through StK on Normal with a 7th level WF Wizard. Good players know how to squeeze the most performance out of their characters even if that character isn't the theoretical top-DPS build. Bad players spill their DPS on the ground when they should be giving it to the Tamar mob that is currently killing their party members.

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scraap Ex Member	Re: I love Ranged arguments Reply #6 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 1:06pm	Print Post
	Which thread? There's like, 3 right now. One of which was explicitly about non ranger range play and keeps getting turned back to AAs.


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Emili Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1241 Location: here Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009	Re: I love Ranged arguments Reply #7 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 1:53pm	Print Post
	popejubal wrote on Oct 11^th, 2010 at 11:20am: I have an argument of moderation, but I honestly don't know how to express it correctly in that thread. Part 1) A well built and well run AA is not nearly as gimpy as people would expect because a well built and well run AA can do some neat tricks that a plain old melee type cannot AND a well built and well run AA can still bust out the melee weapons and go to town in close combat with a reasonable DPS compared to his Tempest Cousin. Part 2) Part 1 is kind of irrelevant since ANYTHING that is well built and well geared will outperform 90% or more of the population on DDO, so it doesn't really matter who is "gimp" and who isn't based on build strength.� An outstanding player can still rock an AA through Epic quests and a mediocre player can still break a hip while limping through StK on Normal with a 7th level WF Wizard.� Good players know how to squeeze the most performance out of their characters even if that character isn't the theoretical top-DPS build.� Bad players spill their DPS on the ground when they should be giving it to the Tamar mob that is currently killing their party members. Norg's Boomsticks is a good example of a ranged spec'd ranger (are some others) and an all ranged shroud can be one of the quickest around. I remember some tempests in the past were dumb-founded when I assigned them duty to get the crystal... and then sent tell - you're a ranger why do you not have a bow? You've manyshot and bow strength for a reason. I've two tempest and an archer they all use melee weapons and bows... the issue with ranged characters in general is that many people do not know how to play them in group context nor how to utilize them for best results. I've seen archers kite part 2 tower many times early on - often some of the best for it. Stainer may atest my Ambyre (the archery poised one) I play little and I have played her little since even the sub come out so she's slightly under geared in some respecs (her gear no higher than GS)... Fact is though if I ever considered soloing epic DQ for instance I would� use this character (tweak her and gear her up) to do it instead of my FvS or WiZ. Like any character you have to know what it's weakness' are and what it may dish out in return.
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dunklezhan Ex Member	Re: I love Ranged arguments Reply #8 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 2:04pm	Print Post
	Ruinhorn wrote on Oct 11^th, 2010 at 10:30am: If players that like Ranged weren't so damn sensitive I wouldn't go out of my way replying to every post. w... why do you want to hurt me? sob Seriously, I like ranged. I also know the Rules of Ranged 1. Don't aggro what you can't kill 2. Range the ranged, not the melee! 3. If you kite, you're on your own 4. See those big lumps of metal in the scabbards at your waist? Know when to pull them out: often. 5. Don't argue the merits of ranged in a party asking you not to, it just slows down the run and pisses people off. Just put the bow away and pull out the swords. 6. Manyshot is powerful. Very powerful. Anyone asking you not to use Many Shot either has a very good reason or is an idiot. This is the only exception to rule 5 - but if they DO have a good reason, then see rule 5. 'Range is gimped' is NOT a good reason. 'Ranged will cause the boss to do x and that's bad' IS a good reason. 7. If you're a longbow user, but you're not of a level to craft a GS bow, for the love of god get the Silver Bow and get it as soon as you can, its not hard to get and its all round the best bow you can get till GS. But remember its not the ONLY bow, and its not ALWAYS the best. 8. Read anything by Talon. Then read it again. Have you memorised it yet? Read it again. 9. Ranged is gimped by most standards. Most standards are not the ONLY standards - but they are the ones you'll run into most. See rule 5.


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Glenalth Puppy Farmer Offline Not banned, just bored Posts: 1602 Location: Albuquerque Joined: Sep 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: I love Ranged arguments Reply #9 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 2:25pm	Print Post
	One of the reasons that you are going to see a lot of arguing is that archers have been defending their play style for years against people telling them that it is useless. Things have been changing a bit with the AA enhancements, but there are still a lot of hurt feelings out there. With an archer, you have both significant disadvantages and a few situational abilities that are overpowered compared to other game mechanics. It ends up being a game of learning to balance and exploit these at the appropriate moments and many people can't grasp that. There probably does need to be a fix there, but exactly what it needs to be is a tough call. Ranged attack rate or damage increase probably means IPS/MS nerf. That would probably turn into a shit storm. Personally, I would be happy if alacrity and similar bonuses just worked as advertised. For background, I've got an Arcane Archer with 3 ranger past life feats that has been a ranged character since Shot-on-the-run was needed to be able to kite. My other ranger has Improved Crit: Ranged because even a low dex Tempest II/Kensai can benefit from the occasional bow use because of the overpowered IPS/MS.


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Alekx VoD Slasher Offline Argonnessen Posts: 1895 Location: NYC Joined: Aug 21^st, 2009	Re: I love Ranged arguments Reply #10 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 2:39pm	Print Post
	Glenalth wrote on Oct 11^th, 2010 at 2:25pm: there are still a lot of butt hurt feelings out there. fixed and enhanced for accuracy by the way, Glen here plays one of the best archers I have seen in ddo.

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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: I love Ranged arguments Reply #11 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 3:23pm	Print Post
	Glenalth wrote on Oct 11^th, 2010 at 2:25pm: My other ranger has Improved Crit: Ranged because even a low dex Tempest II/Kensai can benefit from the occasional bow use because of the overpowered IPS/MS. I did this on Greenis, my Temp II/Kensai I. It is nice enough that I am going to invest the ingredients to make a lit II GS bow. Pew pew pew <lightning bolt> pew pew <lightning bolt> <lightning bolt>

	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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Gornn Horoluth Raider Offline Cracker Fiend Posts: 2241 Joined: Jun 26^th, 2009	Re: I love Ranged arguments Reply #12 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 3:57pm	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Oct 11^th, 2010 at 3:23pm: I did this on Greenis, my Temp II/Kensai I. It is nice enough that I am going to invest the ingredients to make a lit II GS bow. Pew pew pew <lightning bolt> pew pew <lightning bolt> <lightning bolt> I actually wondered how fast Harry would go down in an All Lit II bow party.

	This is a throw down...a show down...
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Ruinhorn Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 163 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: I love Ranged arguments Reply #13 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 4:28pm	Print Post
	http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=279315 Up to 4 neg rep and 1 positive, a total loss of 70 points. Everything I have posted has been proved multiple times and yet people still have raw anuses (hope I spelt that right). Blitz doesn't like the way I post because he's a massive pussy. Would be nice If he has an account here so I can tell him without being banned.

	Quote: I am not the sort of person though to go all out at someone who is probably one of the most egotistical, chauvanistic people I've ever met though.
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Invelios VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1965 Location: Houston, TX Joined: Aug 3^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: I love Ranged arguments Reply #14 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 4:36pm	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Oct 11^th, 2010 at 3:23pm: I did this on Greenis, my Temp II/Kensai I. It is nice enough that I am going to invest the ingredients to make a lit II GS bow. Pew pew pew <lightning bolt> pew pew <lightning bolt> <lightning bolt> only if you say it like This

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Emili Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1241 Location: here Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009	Re: I love Ranged arguments Reply #15 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 5:12pm	Print Post
	Invelios wrote on Oct 11^th, 2010 at 4:36pm: only if you say it like This Lmao, yes put some colour back in me... My tempests carry lightning II's and bout a half dozen other bows for the occasion, i.e. WoPs, improved shattermantle for epic DQ and such...

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Emili Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1241 Location: here Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009	Re: I love Ranged arguments Reply #16 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 5:16pm	Print Post
	Gornn wrote on Oct 11^th, 2010 at 3:57pm: I actually wondered how fast Harry would go down in an All Lit II bow party. Heard him go in less than half a round (I know hearsay)... I do not know if all were even Lit II's. Norg on occasion has run all ranged shrouds on hard even - I do speculate he'll plan an elite for the heck of it eventually... I think such takes a lot of coordination on the party. I do know in all those I heard very little healing was needed - fact was one was done with a bow weilding chanter as the possible main healer if trouble occured.
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woody Shroud Slacker Offline Pass the popcorn Posts: 1078 Joined: Jan 26^th, 2010	Re: I love Ranged arguments Reply #17 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 5:49pm	Print Post
	Gornn wrote on Oct 11^th, 2010 at 3:57pm: I actually wondered how fast Harry would go down in an All Lit II bow party. I remember someone putting together an all ranger shroud when the cooldown bug was still going on. Forgot what the time was on taking down portals and harry but I'm pretty sure it was stupid fast. I know DQ2 was super fast with that bug and a couple rangers in party.

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rev Jim American Azog Offline I GOT VEINS Posts: 3627 Location: South Alabama Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: I love Ranged arguments Reply #18 - Oct 11^th, 2010 at 6:11pm	Print Post
	[size=6][/size]Invelios wrote on Oct 11^th, 2010 at 4:36pm: only if you say it like This lightning bolt is beast! LOL on a side note looks like h4xor is back and tolero has his back http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=272663&page=6

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Glenalth Puppy Farmer Offline Not banned, just bored Posts: 1602 Location: Albuquerque Joined: Sep 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: I love Ranged arguments Reply #19 - Oct 12^th, 2010 at 4:33am	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Oct 11^th, 2010 at 3:23pm: I did this on Greenis, my Temp II/Kensai I. It is nice enough that I am going to invest the ingredients to make a lit II GS bow. Pew pew pew <lightning bolt> pew pew <lightning bolt> <lightning bolt> I've been pretty happy just carrying a Silver Longbow and a +5 Holy of Righteousness. Gives you a good damage option that will be close to Lit II with the Silver Longbow and it's still decent vs neutral and better vs electric resist/immune mobs. The other works well for harder to hit mobs or shooting while avoiding Lailat.
	« Last Edit: Oct 12^th, 2010 at 4:34am by Glenalth »

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Ruinhorn Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 163 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: I love Ranged arguments Reply #20 - Oct 13^th, 2010 at 12:07pm	Print Post
	Its still coming in lol, there's more before that as well. Note someone negged what is the highest DPS build on the forums as well, sucks to be that newb.

	Quote: I am not the sort of person though to go all out at someone who is probably one of the most egotistical, chauvanistic people I've ever met though.
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Hi Welcome King of Trolls Offline Drama chips... now in Argonnessen Apple flavor! Posts: 2759 Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: I love Ranged arguments Reply #21 - Oct 13^th, 2010 at 3:27pm	Print Post
	Ruinhorn wrote on Oct 13^th, 2010 at 12:07pm: http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/3903/repv.png Its still coming in lol, there's more before that as well. Note someone negged what is the highest DPS build on the forums as well, sucks to be that newb. Pewpewpew.

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