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flynnjsw Shroud Slacker Offline F U All!!!!!! Posts: 1216 Joined: May 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Shroud Part 2 Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:17am	Print Post
	So instead of waiting to find a Shroud group on Paladdium today, I am going to start one. I am comfortable enough with all of the other parts, the only thing I am unsure of is the order of the kills in part 2. I know you kill the slowest first and the fastest last, but can anyone actually list the order they should be dropped in?


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ZombieKenny Korthos Resident Offline Posts: 53 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: Shroud Part 2 Reply #1 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:22am	Print Post
	Fire and lion last, other than that it doesn't matter so much. Even that shouldn't matter so much, so long as most stuff is close to dying.


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Schmoe Epic Poster Offline One world, one soul Posts: 4219 Location: A chair Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010	Re: Shroud Part 2 Reply #2 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:37am	Print Post
	ZombieKenny wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:22am: Fire and lion last, other than that it doesn't matter so much. Even that shouldn't matter so much, so long as most stuff is close to dying. Exactly. If you have the Orthon, you can always kill him first because he's slow as molasses. Orc is pretty slow too.

	"As my windshield melts, and my tears evaporate, Leaving only charcoal to defend - Finally I understand the feelings of the few, Ashes and diamonds, foe and friend, we were all equal in the end." -Waters
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Cale Abbot Raider Offline Meh.... Drama Posts: 954 Joined: May 9^th, 2010	Re: Shroud Part 2 Reply #3 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:42am	Print Post
	ZombieKenny wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:22am: Fire and lion last, other than that it doesn't matter so much. Even that shouldn't matter so much, so long as most stuff is close to dying. This. Get everything prepped and just kill from north to south as a group.� Assuming everything gets prepped properly, if your group has even mediocre DPS you'll be fine by just rushing as a group. As you get further south, the group gets bigger, meaning things die even faster. As long as they're all prepped, the order really doesn't matter unless the group's DPS sucks. edit: and if the group's DPS sucks, you should have already figured that out from portal beating, so you can plan appropriately if portals take forever.
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Inkblack Puppy Farmer Vault WDA Offline _,\|,, Posts: 1553 Joined: Sep 10^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Shroud Part 2 Reply #4 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:48am	Print Post
	Fire then cat if you get both. The only time I pay much attention is when we do get both or we don't have an experienced crystal killer. My thoughts: - Make sure the pull is (mostly) complete before you start to kill. It sucks when two mobs are dead and you can't find one because he hasn't stepped away from the crystal. You can make an exception of the orthon because he is so damn slow. - Once things start to drop, people shouldn't stand around after their mob is killed. Move on to the next one they can find, and kill it. - Troll is a good one to kill last or next to last because of his regen speed. This can backfire if not enough people converge on him after the others are dead though. - I'll say it anyway: firewall the crystal in advance. No caster? Clerics, rangers, and favored souls with offensive spells work well for this too. Even melee rangers have manyshot. Make sure the ranger has arrows though -- Infi, I'm looking at youl.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Shroud Part 2 Reply #5 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 9:27am	Print Post
	Don't forget about the Devil. He's always in my list to drop first (with the Orthon and Orc) because he's slow as molasses too, and he runs around like crazy. Better to get him out of the way than to kill faster stuff and have to chase his ass all over the map while the rest are walking to the crystal.


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flynnjsw Shroud Slacker Offline F U All!!!!!! Posts: 1216 Joined: May 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Shroud Part 2 Reply #6 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 9:27am	Print Post
	Inkblack wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 8:48am: - I'll say it anyway: firewall the crystal in advance.� No caster?� Clerics, rangers, and favored souls with offensive spells work well for this too.� Even melee rangers have manyshot.� Make sure the ranger has arrows though -- Infi, I'm looking at youl. My very first Shroud on my FvS (which was when he was 15th) the Party Leader actually asked me to help clear portals and put me on crytal duty. It was an interesting experience.


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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Shroud Part 2 Reply #7 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 9:29am	Print Post
	Oh, and if you let FatherKline into your group, make sure to let him get killed first and leave his stone where it can't reach the shrine. Better to get him out of the way early so you can have a smooth run from there.


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Inkblack Puppy Farmer Vault WDA Offline _,\|,, Posts: 1553 Joined: Sep 10^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Shroud Part 2 Reply #8 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 9:38am	Print Post
	flynnjsw wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 9:27am: My very first Shroud on my FvS (which was when he was 15th) the Party Leader actually asked me to help clear portals and put me on crytal duty. It was an interesting experience. Yeah, if it's a cleric or FvS I'll ask if they have spells loaded and on their hotbar just to be safe. Then I ask if they actually know which hotbar, since I usually take about 30 seconds to find them on my screen. A ranger-free group, all melee with throwers makes for an interesting crystal takedown. Good times.


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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Shroud Part 2 Reply #9 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:23am	Print Post
	Here is the exact order of speed as far as I know...I cannot remember the original source of the data may have been Shug's thread. From fastest to slowest: Fast Lion Fire Orc Kobold Troll Trog Gnoll Earth Devil Orthon Slow
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	Nevynn wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 11:38pm: Anybody coming to this board expecting anything more sophisticated than a dick joke had better get used to disappointment. Calvet wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 12:18pm: I just got that impression after you spent 13 pages calling out eladiun for being an interwebs bully when anyone who's been posting on here already knew that.� I mean, he's proud of it and hardly tries to hide that at all. Quote: Eladiun is an awful person
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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Shroud Part 2 Reply #10 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:31am	Print Post
	My biggest lesson when I started leading puggish Shroud's is that you cannot assume people aren't morons.� In Part 2, I found that you need to ride herd over the melees.� If you assume they will do what is required based off simple instructions and the fact that the shroud is tit simple they will disappoint you.� Never take earth or fire if you are leading; pulling one of these takes you too far out of the game and you cannot see what the hell is going on which guarantees shit will hit the fan.� I also tend to roam and make sure people are actually pulling the bosses to the proper spot. If I didn't watch and keep saying dipshit there, assfuck there, they would inevitably clump up in a giant turd sandwich. Don't be afraid to be loud and force full when giving directions in Part 2.
	« Last Edit: Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:34am by Eladiun »
	Nevynn wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 11:38pm: Anybody coming to this board expecting anything more sophisticated than a dick joke had better get used to disappointment. Calvet wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 12:18pm: I just got that impression after you spent 13 pages calling out eladiun for being an interwebs bully when anyone who's been posting on here already knew that.� I mean, he's proud of it and hardly tries to hide that at all. Quote: Eladiun is an awful person
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Invelios VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1965 Location: Houston, TX Joined: Aug 3^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: Shroud Part 2 Reply #11 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:36am	Print Post
	On my most successful runs if people just pull the danged bosses apart fast enough after prepping it doesn't matter the order, save for fire due to his speedy Gonzales impersonation. The most annoying is the R-Agrro from the devil....everyone starts yelling at everyone else like they can control it.

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Alekx VoD Slasher Offline Argonnessen Posts: 1895 Location: NYC Joined: Aug 21^st, 2009	Re: Shroud Part 2 Reply #12 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:55am	Print Post
	People rarely use the single pull technique on the devil anymore. I'll share it here in case you are running with an under-powered group. Choose a solid wf tank and an experienced mage for this. (flesh tank + umd scroll heal support works too) Ideally, the tank sneaks up invisible up through the north end of the maze, the devil has the highest listen of all the mobs, so as soon as you see it move sneak back to the northwest corner. If done properly, only the devil will follow. Once the devil has followed you and you are out of line of sight of the rest of the red nameds, you can break invis and start preparing him on the northwest end, where the support player can remain invis as he spams recon or hjeals. It worked pretty well when we used it back in the day. Nowadays its just ZOMFG WHO AGGROD EVERYTHING BRING IT SOUTH KILL KILL KILL.

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Zaodan Korthos Resident Offline I drank what? - Socrates Posts: 63 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2010	Re: Shroud Part 2 Reply #13 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:58am	Print Post
	Our guild runs Sabotage Shroud. This is where one person (chosen randomly after zoning in, to prevent them from overly preparing) is designated the Saboteur, and their job is to make the shroud run fail, using whatever means they see fit. No holds barred. Healer? Ha, don't heal anyone. Caster? "What crystal?" Melee? Kite the devil all over the map in part 2. etc. If you can complete a Sabotage Shroud, you can complete any PUG shroud.

	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pSed_iQAR0
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Alekx VoD Slasher Offline Argonnessen Posts: 1895 Location: NYC Joined: Aug 21^st, 2009	Re: Shroud Part 2 Reply #14 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:00am	Print Post
	Zaodan wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:58am: Our guild runs Sabotage Shroud. This is where one person (chosen randomly after zoning in, to prevent them from overly preparing) is designated the Saboteur, and their job is to make the shroud run fail, using whatever means they see fit.� No holds barred. Healer?� Ha, don't heal anyone. Caster?� "What crystal?" Melee? Kite the devil all over the map in part 2. etc. If you can complete a Sabotage Shroud, you can complete any PUG shroud. + if your guild actually sucks, you can blame it on the saboteur. Brilliant.

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Schmoe Epic Poster Offline One world, one soul Posts: 4219 Location: A chair Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010	Re: Shroud Part 2 Reply #15 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:09am	Print Post
	Zaodan wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:58am: Our guild runs Sabotage Shroud. This is where one person (chosen randomly after zoning in, to prevent them from overly preparing) is designated the Saboteur, and their job is to make the shroud run fail, using whatever means they see fit.� No holds barred. Healer?� Ha, don't heal anyone. Caster?� "What crystal?" Melee? Kite the devil all over the map in part 2. etc. If you can complete a Sabotage Shroud, you can complete any PUG shroud. That's a pretty cool idea.

	"As my windshield melts, and my tears evaporate, Leaving only charcoal to defend - Finally I understand the feelings of the few, Ashes and diamonds, foe and friend, we were all equal in the end." -Waters
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Inkblack Puppy Farmer Vault WDA Offline _,\|,, Posts: 1553 Joined: Sep 10^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Shroud Part 2 Reply #16 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:11am	Print Post
	Zaodan wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:58am: Our guild runs Sabotage Shroud. This is where one person (chosen randomly after zoning in, to prevent them from overly preparing) is designated the Saboteur, and their job is to make the shroud run fail, using whatever means they see fit.� No holds barred. Healer?� Ha, don't heal anyone. Caster?� "What crystal?" Melee? Kite the devil all over the map in part 2. etc. If you can complete a Sabotage Shroud, you can complete any PUG shroud. This sounds fun. How does it work? Does the party know who the saboteur is? Or does the leader just send a tell to a random person and say, "you're on". I want to lead one of these now...


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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Shroud Part 2 Reply #17 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:19am	Print Post
	We will occasional designate someone to zerg middle on Part two to see how well people respond under pressure and recover when things go sideways.

	Nevynn wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 11:38pm: Anybody coming to this board expecting anything more sophisticated than a dick joke had better get used to disappointment. Calvet wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 12:18pm: I just got that impression after you spent 13 pages calling out eladiun for being an interwebs bully when anyone who's been posting on here already knew that.� I mean, he's proud of it and hardly tries to hide that at all. Quote: Eladiun is an awful person
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Glenalth Puppy Farmer Offline Not banned, just bored Posts: 1602 Location: Albuquerque Joined: Sep 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Shroud Part 2 Reply #18 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 1:02pm	Print Post
	Most awesome thing to say over voice chat when you're on crystal duty. As soon as the mobs start dieing... "Where did the crystal spawn this time? It's not in the center."


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Zaodan Korthos Resident Offline I drank what? - Socrates Posts: 63 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2010	Re: Shroud Part 2 Reply #19 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 1:25pm	Print Post
	Inkblack wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 11:11am: This sounds fun. How does it work?� Does the party know who the saboteur is?� Or does the leader just send a tell to a random person and say, "you're on".� I want to lead one of these now... To be fair, you announce the saboteur. In fact, we do a /roll d100, high roll = saboteur. So everyone knows. Please note, you lose chests in part 3, as the saboteur will, of course, not do their puzzle, and will step on the tiles to prevent you from doing it, so you almost always have to shatter their door crystal.

	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pSed_iQAR0
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Glenalth Puppy Farmer Offline Not banned, just bored Posts: 1602 Location: Albuquerque Joined: Sep 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Shroud Part 2 Reply #20 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 1:34pm	Print Post
	Zaodan wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 1:25pm: To be fair, you announce the saboteur.� In fact, we do a /roll d100, high roll = saboteur.� So everyone knows. Please note, you lose chests in part 3, as the saboteur will, of course, not do their puzzle, and will step on the tiles to prevent you from doing it, so you almost always have to shatter their door crystal. It's important to have a supply of dancing belts for situations like this.


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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Shroud Part 2 Reply #21 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 1:58pm	Print Post
	I can't recall if it was mentioned here or on the main boards but Globe of Invulnerability on Harry can really spice things up.

	Nevynn wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 11:38pm: Anybody coming to this board expecting anything more sophisticated than a dick joke had better get used to disappointment. Calvet wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 12:18pm: I just got that impression after you spent 13 pages calling out eladiun for being an interwebs bully when anyone who's been posting on here already knew that.� I mean, he's proud of it and hardly tries to hide that at all. Quote: Eladiun is an awful person
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Glenalth Puppy Farmer Offline Not banned, just bored Posts: 1602 Location: Albuquerque Joined: Sep 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Shroud Part 2 Reply #22 - Dec 1^st, 2010 at 3:39pm	Print Post
	Eladiun wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 1:58pm: I can't recall if it was mentioned here or on the main boards but Globe of Invulnerability on Harry can really spice things up. Add a grease for more entertainment.


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Strakeln Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Lumberjack Posts: 12345 Joined: Jun 27^th, 2009	Re: Shroud Part 2 Reply #23 - Dec 2^nd, 2010 at 2:11am	Print Post
	Zaodan wrote on Dec 1^st, 2010 at 10:58am: Our guild runs Sabotage Shroud. This is where one person (chosen randomly after zoning in, to prevent them from overly preparing) is designated the Saboteur, and their job is to make the shroud run fail, using whatever means they see fit.� No holds barred. Healer?� Ha, don't heal anyone. Caster?� "What crystal?" Melee? Kite the devil all over the map in part 2. etc. If you can complete a Sabotage Shroud, you can complete any PUG shroud. I LOVE it and will be suggesting it for the post-meeting raid train this Sunday.

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Soul Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1121 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Shroud Part 2 Reply #24 - Dec 2^nd, 2010 at 2:58am	Print Post
	What you do in part 2 is you aggro everything on the map to the wall until you have dungeon alert red and then you kill it all while someone breaks the crystal. Wait you don't do it like this? This is how I do every shroud run now


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