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Dec 16th, 2010 at 10:43am
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I have a WF Sorc that I love but my DC's are a little low. I could grind out eq for him, but I am already grinding out stuff for another character or two. So I thought I might go ahead and TR into a wf wiz. I will make a couple of GS items before I TR, just to help, but to be truthful arcane characters seem easy to level. Smiley

I have already established many times my build fu sucks. I know to max int/con and maybe a little str. I want to burn stuff and insta kill stuff. I am interested in the AM pre. How should I do my feats?
  

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Re: Wizard Question
Reply #1 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 11:11am
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Have you seen the Tukaw build?

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=181901

Tukaw and I have two-manned stuff (I was on Arkat) and let me tell you, he was the one carrying me!
  

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Reply #2 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 11:35am
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This is Dresdyn's basic setup for Archmage (Conjuration/Enchantment).  It's great for Amrath and Epics with the 3pt Web and 1 pt Hypnos. (I'm my Mass Hold DC is a 40 standing and 41 w/ship buffs.) You could switch Conjuration for Necro while leveling and switch when things start being immune to Death Magic but honestly my Necro DC's are high enough without it.

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Max Int/Con place the rest where you see fit.  Str is probably best.

Feats:
Mental Toughness
Spell Focus: Enchantment
Toughness
Extend Spell
Spell Focus: Conjuration
Maximize Spell
Spell Penetration
Heighten Spell
Quicken Spell
Greater Spell Focus: Enchantment
Empower Spell
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Notable Equipment to Farm:

Stormreaver's Napkin
Dreamsplitter (or something else that gives +2 Enchantment)
Archmage Bet and Ring
Death Sickle (or something else for +2 Necro DC)
ConOp SP Greensteel item
Glacial Assault Set
Epic Diabolists Docent
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Re: Wizard Question
Reply #3 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 11:49am
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Arkat wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 11:11am:
Have you seen the Tukaw build?

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=181901

Tukaw and I have two-manned stuff (I was on Arkat) and let me tell you, he was the one carrying me!



I honestly hate this build.  Mostly because I think Tukaw is the only one who can actually run it effectively.  I may be biased because I find there are too many Tukaw clones running around that don't have the skill, gear, or experience to actually pull the build off.   (I had one in a ToD insist on tanking Horoth and sure he was fine while the party was on Sally but he instantly lost agro once the real DPS joined and then just bitched about it.  I'd much rather have a high HP Barb or Fighter who can actually hold agro and do more DPS tank it over the vaunted self-healing.)

Plus, I hate solo builds.  They almost always contribute little in parties and need to be dragged through raids which pisses me off.  If you want to solo...solo; don't pike my raids.

It also wouldn't really meet the goal Stainer set of higher DC's.  I don't feel that multi-classed casters (except for the occasional rogue splash) contribute enough with the current end-game.  I would rather have a real DPS melee and a true caster with high DC's in the party than a caster playing at melee.
« Last Edit: Dec 16th, 2010 at 11:58am by Eladiun »  

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Re: Wizard Question
Reply #4 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 11:58am
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Arkat wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 11:11am:
Have you seen the Tukaw build?

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=181901

Tukaw and I have two-manned stuff (I was on Arkat) and let me tell you, he was the one carrying me!


I have looked at this build, and I have ran with Tukaw several times. I don't know if I could pull it off. If I was to do a completionist build, this would be my sorc life for sure.
Eladiun wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 11:35am:
This is Dresdyn's basic setup for Archmage (Conjuration/Enchantment).  It's great for Amrath and Epics with the 3pt Web and 1 pt Hypnos. (I'm my Mass Hold DC is a 40 standing and 41 w/ship buffs.) You could switch Conjuration for Necro while leveling and switch when things start being immune to Death Magic but honestly my Necro DC's are high enough without it.

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Max Int/Con place the rest where you see fit.  Str is probably best.

Feats:
Mental Toughness
Spell Focus: Enchantment
Toughness
Extend Spell
Spell Focus: Conjuration
Maximize Spell
Spell Penetration
Heighten Spell
Quicken Spell
Greater Spell Focus: Enchantment
Empower Spell
--------------------------------------

Notable Equipment to Farm:

Stormreaver's Napkin
Dreamsplitter (or something else that gives +2 Enchantment)
Archmage Bet and Ring
Death Sickle (or something else for +2 Necro DC)
ConOp SP Greensteel item
Glacial Assault Set
Epic Diabolists Docent


Can the build get without mental toughness, or is it really important? I am just getting ok at mana management.
  

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Reply #5 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 11:59am
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stainer wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 11:58am:
Can the build get without mental toughness, or is it really important? I am just getting ok at mana management.



It's a prereq for Archmage.
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Eladiun wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 11:59am:
It's a prereq for Archmage.

That would make it important! Thanks. Smiley
  

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Reply #7 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 12:15pm
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stainer wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 12:04pm:
That would make it important! Thanks. Smiley


Your Welcome,  I actually really really love where Dresdyn's build is at right now.  I find I run him more than any of my others because he is just so damn useful (fun as well).  With his Enchantment and Conjuration DC's where they are he is money in Epics and the regular stuff is just easy.  SP management is easy with the cheap Hypno and Webs, and I don't waste many Mass Holds. (Ny Unlimited Grease is just a bonus.)  I still want to TR him for the Wizzy past life feat and grind some more gear (which is never ending) but overall I like what Archmage did for him a lot...I wouldn't trade it for anything right now.

I have both his current and planned TR builds in the planner at home but he is Human so they aren't an exact fit plus I'm hoping a plane for San Antonio in a few hours so I won't be at my home PC for a while.

I never leveled as Archmage but one of my guildies spent the points for the SLA: Single Hold and used it to nice effect while leveling then reset enhancements later.
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Reply #8 - Dec 22nd, 2010 at 12:58am
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Arkat wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 11:11am:
Have you seen the Tukaw build?

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=181901

Tukaw and I have two-manned stuff (I was on Arkat) and let me tell you, he was the one carrying me!

Tukaw build is good if your tukaw, but when does the tukaw build fit into epics? He doesnt have the dps to keep up with true mellee class's and he doesnt have the dc that a pure caster has.
  

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Reply #9 - Dec 24th, 2010 at 12:58pm
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Breaken wrote on Dec 22nd, 2010 at 12:58am:
Tukaw build is good if your tukaw, but when does the tukaw build fit into epics? He doesnt have the dps to keep up with true mellee class's and he doesnt have the dc that a pure caster has.


This.  Tukaw unfortunately is great up until and including Amrath elite.  But anything epic and the flaws in the build really start coming through.
  

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Reply #10 - Dec 25th, 2010 at 9:46pm
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Breaken wrote on Dec 22nd, 2010 at 12:58am:
Tukaw build is good if your tukaw, but when does the tukaw build fit into epics? He doesnt have the dps to keep up with true mellee class's and he doesnt have the dc that a pure caster has.


Selee wrote on Dec 24th, 2010 at 12:58pm:
This.  Tukaw unfortunately is great up until and including Amrath elite.  But anything epic and the flaws in the build really start coming through. 


And this is the perfect summary as to why "Epic" content is a complete and utter failed abortion running down Fernando's leg. 

When folks would rather take a retard with a pure 20 Barb for a little extra DPS that needs babysat every step of the quest over one the best players on the server and his do "nearly" everything build, there is something wrong.

/epic rant off

  
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Reply #11 - Dec 25th, 2010 at 10:33pm
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Jaxx wrote on Dec 25th, 2010 at 9:46pm:
And this is the perfect summary as to why "Epic" content is a complete and utter failed abortion running down Fernando's leg. 

When folks would rather take a retard with a pure 20 Barb for a little extra DPS that needs babysat every step of the quest over one the best players on the server and his do "nearly" everything build, there is something wrong.

/epic rant off



Its not that. Its just that healers will be throwing heals anyways so why not have max dps, not to mention that his builds to hit prolly wouldnt be to great in epics either.
  

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Reply #12 - Dec 25th, 2010 at 10:44pm
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Breaken wrote on Dec 25th, 2010 at 10:33pm:
Its not that.


Ahhh...but it is Breaken...it is.
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Arkat wrote on Dec 25th, 2010 at 10:44pm:
Ahhh...but it is Breaken...it is.

No

Certain builds are meant for certain things, unfortunatly that build it not meant for epics as far as i can see.
  

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Jaxx wrote on Dec 25th, 2010 at 9:46pm:
And this is the perfect summary as to why "Epic" content is a complete and utter failed abortion running down Fernando's leg. 

When folks would rather take a retard with a pure 20 Barb for a little extra DPS that needs babysat every step of the quest over one the best players on the server and his do "nearly" everything build, there is something wrong.

/epic rant off



He's had his ups and downs on that build for a long time... he managed to stick around until it blossomed. Also while he always was a great player... he became a better player because of his persistence and use of that toon for so long.
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Reply #15 - Jan 4th, 2011 at 4:23pm
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Breaken wrote on Dec 25th, 2010 at 10:59pm:
No

Certain builds are meant for certain things, unfortunatly that build it not meant for epics as far as i can see.


I like calling them Vale superstar builds.  They were the cats ass when end game was the Vale but lose luster in the current game. 

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And this is the perfect summary as to why "Epic" content is a complete and utter failed abortion running down Fernando's leg. 

When folks would rather take a retard with a pure 20 Barb for a little extra DPS that needs babysat every step of the quest over one the best players on the server and his do "nearly" everything build, there is something wrong.

/epic rant off




The problem with doing nearly everything is that you may do everything but you do each job worse than someone who specializes in one job.  My mechanic isn't also my doctor...

Solo builds have little to add in parties. I don't need someone who can be the do everything and be a superstar; I need role players willing to fill the roles I assign.  Would I take a Tukaw build in my Epic?  Sure, if I knew the player new how to use it and was geared but it wouldn't be my primary caster or tank...it would be just DPS.  Besides, if you're a solo build who can do everything why are you looking for a group again....
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Eladiun wrote on Jan 4th, 2011 at 4:23pm:
Solo builds have little to add in parties.

This is about as dumb a fucking statement as you could possibly spurt out your hole.....  If you cannot see the value of a well built solo character and what they can add to a party, then you are just plain ignorant.

I need role players willing to fill the roles I assign. 

And that is why your guild is looked upon as an afterthought across the better guilds on the server.  So full of below average players that you have to fill your group to perceived perfection to carry your butt to the finish. 

Besides, if you're a solo build who can do everything why are you looking for a group again....

To fill out the last spot in one of your raids, where I can gather up your guilds soulstones and then kick the shit out of the end boss while your dead ass watches to see just what I can "add to a party"
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