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Max limits for fortification,will saves and AC.
Jan 19th, 2011 at 9:08pm
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Trying to decide if this is a good option for greensteel on my monk? I'm not sure if this will max out my stats and be a waste of resources or make a Greensteel item that may still benefit me at 20. As always expert opinion is appreciated, so please don't hold back. Cool
  
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Re: Max limits for fortification,will saves and AC.
Reply #1 - Jan 19th, 2011 at 10:34pm
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Harry wrote on Jan 19th, 2011 at 9:08pm:
Trying to decide if this is a good option for greensteel on my monk? I'm not sure if this will max out my stats and be a waste of resources or make a Greensteel item that may still benefit me at 20. As always expert opinion is appreciated, so please don't hold back. Cool


I believe that the +5 Fort/Reflex/Will saves bonus from a Shroud item do not stack with the +5 Everything save bonus that you can get from Dragontouched Armor.

That would make the Shroud +saves item not very useful, but the +exceptional Saves could still be used - even if it isn't an especially attractive option for a item.

Edit: changed "weapon" to "item" since it's the items that have the +save stuff, not the weapons.  Momentary brain failure.
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Reply #2 - Jan 20th, 2011 at 8:36pm
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Ok, new angle. I'm currently using the white dragon scale armor. This armor gives +6 to AC and increases fortification 75 percent. What if I made a +6 reflex with +1&2 exceptional reflex and 20 percent permablur and displacement clicky? Does everything here stack? Is it worth the resources? As always thankyou for any input.
  
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Reply #3 - Jan 20th, 2011 at 9:45pm
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Harry wrote on Jan 20th, 2011 at 8:36pm:
Ok, new angle. I'm currently using the white dragon scale armor. This armor gives +6 to AC and increases fortification 75 percent. What if I made a +6 reflex with +1&2 exceptional reflex and 20 percent permablur and displacement clicky? Does everything here stack? Is it worth the resources? As always thankyou for any input.


Epic Jetzdictsxfgsda bracers give +8 armor that does not stack with armor and it gives +25% healing amp in Fire stance.  You want that.  Lots and lots of things give 100% fortification.  75% fortification is not enough unless you are Warforged for the free 25% fortification. 

As far as the reflex saves go, Monks have pretty spectacular saves to start.  With your Monk saves + your Dex + 2 luck from Head of Good Fortune + 4 from Greater Heroism +5 resistance, what will your saving throws be?

I honestly don't know what end game DC's are for area of effect spells and I don't know what Epic DCs are, but I do know that you have to know the starting number if you want to decide whether another +1 and +2 exceptional reflex save is (A) necessary or (B) sufficient.

Also, lots of things can give you Blur.  I don't think that I'd spend 24 Large Shroud ingredients until I at least had a +45 HP, +6 Exceptional skill bonus to Concentration, 100% fortification MinII Greensteel item.

http://www.iro.umontreal.ca/~delallea/ddo/shroud/cgi-bin/shroud.cgi?item=helm&cr...



Edit:  I should mention that I'm just parroting back advice that other people have consistantly given me.  I really don't know if that exceptional reflex save item would be worthwhile for you.  I *do* know that you'll be glad to have the MinII HP +6 Exceptional Concentration skill item on your Monk no matter what.
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Reply #4 - Jan 20th, 2011 at 10:05pm
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Without more info we can't give good advice...

What race?
What kind of monk?
What are your stats?
You mention AC do you have enough to matter?
Go you have any GS already?
What's your HP?

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Reply #5 - Jan 21st, 2011 at 7:44am
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Human race
Light monk
Already have 45 hitpoint greensteel bracers w/strength mod.
407 hp unbuffed in earth stance
I have +6 constitution item from tod
Will save, reflex in low 20's
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 21st, 2011 at 7:53am
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Oh yeah, AC is 42.
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 21st, 2011 at 12:10pm
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Harry wrote on Jan 21st, 2011 at 7:44am:
Human race
Light monk
Already have 45 hitpoint greensteel bracers w/strength mod.
407 hp unbuffed in earth stance
I have +6 constitution item from tod
Will save, reflex in low 20's
Oh yeah, AC is 42.


Bad news time...

Bracers is an awful slot for a greensteel item on a monk.  Epic Jizz is a really nice item for a Monk. 
Good news...  a 42 AC is meaningless so you can wear any robe and you don't care about the AC from +8 bracers.
By Strength Mod Bracers assume triple strength exception skills bonus so a Slay Living or Corrosive Salt Guard item? Not my first choice but not horrible...

You do have a Heavy Fort Item?  You never really answered this.

I would switch that White Dragon to Dragontouched.

Honestly, on most melee builds I'm not enamored with a second greensteel item.  With the Epic items and ToD sets, giving better benefits.

You could build another guard or a trip negative immunity item. 

Do you plan on TRing at anytime?  If so I would consider what you want to do with the build in the future.

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One other thing, it's a lot easier to give advice when you say, "This is my build and this is what I want to do with it. "  There is no one answer especially for monks because they can vary greatly by build.
« Last Edit: Jan 21st, 2011 at 12:24pm by Eladiun »  

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Reply #8 - Jan 24th, 2011 at 7:12pm
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Eladiun wrote on Jan 21st, 2011 at 12:10pm:
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Reply #9 - Jan 27th, 2011 at 9:29am
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If you don't have a mabar cloak, I'd reccommend moving your 45hp there as a Min2.  Gets you your +6 concentration, Heavy fort and 2 stoneskin clickies.
  

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Reply #10 - Feb 23rd, 2011 at 10:14pm
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Harry wrote on Jan 21st, 2011 at 7:44am:
Human race
Light monk
Already have 45 hitpoint greensteel bracers w/strength mod.
407 hp unbuffed in earth stance
I have +6 constitution item from tod
Will save, reflex in low 20's


This is where I mention that my LS GM Fire/Wind, Shintao III, Void IV Drow Monk has 502 hp picking her nose in Wind Stance, right?  Grin
  

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