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[C] hicken [G] od Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 13 Joined: Apr 24^th, 2011	Refromed Thief build - What skill? Apr 24^th, 2011 at 2:16am	Print Post
	I have been following the build from DDO Wiki but I am having trouble how to spend my skills on like disable device. I understand I use max UMD, Jump and Open locks but what about disable device and the rest? Any thoughts?
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JC My Little Pony Offline Posts: 3670 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Refromed Thief build - What skill? Reply #1 - Apr 24^th, 2011 at 2:30am	Print Post
	jump and open lock don't really need to be maxed. disable device and search should be maxed. you can max open lock if you have the spare points, but you don't need to, locks are easier than traps.
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[C] hicken [G] od Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 13 Joined: Apr 24^th, 2011	Re: Refromed Thief build - What skill? Reply #2 - Apr 24^th, 2011 at 10:14pm	Print Post
	JC wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 2:30am: jump and open lock don't really need to be maxed. disable device and search should be maxed. you can max open lock if you have the spare points, but you don't need to, locks are easier than traps. Thank you. This is for a 28pt build. Any suggestions for the minimum stats for the rest like Balance, Hide, etc? I cannot seem to find a guide on a per level basis on how to spend these skills when levelling up.


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woody Shroud Slacker Offline Pass the popcorn Posts: 1078 Joined: Jan 26^th, 2010	Re: Refromed Thief build - What skill? Reply #3 - Apr 24^th, 2011 at 10:24pm	Print Post
	Quote: Thank you. This is for a 28pt build. Any suggestions for the minimum stats for the rest like Balance, Hide, etc? I cannot seem to find a guide on a per level basis on how to spend these skills when levelling up.� http://ddowiki.com/page/Hired_Blade Aranticus has some pretty decent builds for newbies. Edit: Just noticed you posted that you are using a template from Wiki. Is this the one you are using by chance?
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Feldspaar Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 187 Joined: Sep 21^st, 2009	Re: Refromed Thief build - What skill? Reply #4 - Apr 24^th, 2011 at 10:38pm	Print Post
	The Reformed Thief is an evasion fighter. I'm not sure you will have enough skill points to keep your rogue skills all up to par. After UMD you have one more skill point and you need search and disable to get traps and each will cost you two points to advance with your fighter levels.


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Feldspaar Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 187 Joined: Sep 21^st, 2009	Re: Refromed Thief build - What skill? Reply #5 - Apr 24^th, 2011 at 10:40pm	Print Post
	[C] hicken [G] od wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 10:14pm: Thank you. This is for a 28pt build. Any suggestions for the minimum stats for the rest like Balance, Hide, etc? I cannot seem to find a guide on a per level basis on how to spend these skills when levelling up.� It looks like Aranticus mostly spent the points in jump and used the rogue level at 10 to catch some things up.


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[C] hicken [G] od Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 13 Joined: Apr 24^th, 2011	Re: Refromed Thief build - What skill? Reply #6 - Apr 24^th, 2011 at 11:38pm	Print Post
	woody wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 10:24pm: http://ddowiki.com/page/Hired_Blade Aranticus has some pretty decent builds for newbies. Edit: Just noticed you posted that you are using a template from Wiki. Is this the one you are using by chance? This is actually what I was using http://ddowiki.com/page/Reformed_Thief I tried applying the points using the DDO Character Gen v3.8.2 but at around level 6 some of the feats are not yet applicable. I can try to export the file I was working on and see what could be improved.


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woody Shroud Slacker Offline Pass the popcorn Posts: 1078 Joined: Jan 26^th, 2010	Re: Refromed Thief build - What skill? Reply #7 - Apr 24^th, 2011 at 11:42pm	Print Post
	[C] hicken [G] od wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 11:38pm: This is actually what I was using http://ddowiki.com/page/Reformed_Thief I tried applying the points using the DDO Character Gen v3.8.2 but at around level 6 some of the feats are not yet applicable. I can try to export the file I was working on and see what could be improved. Edit: My reading comp is all fuckered up today. Edit2: Are you looking for a thief build or a melee with evasion build? The latter is what the reformed thief build appears to be. Thats why the skills are only centered on three skills and not the typicial rogue skills like His, DD, Search, ect. If you are looking for a more typicial rogue/assassin build then the one I posted is prolly more what you are wanting.
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[C] hicken [G] od Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 13 Joined: Apr 24^th, 2011	Re: Refromed Thief build - What skill? Reply #8 - Apr 24^th, 2011 at 11:47pm	Print Post
	Feldspaar wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 10:38pm: The Reformed Thief is an evasion fighter.� I'm not sure you will have enough skill points to keep your rogue skills all up to par.� After UMD you have one more skill point and you need search and disable to get traps and each will cost you two points to advance with your fighter levels. You are quite right. I am trying to use the Character Planner v3.8.2 but got confused around level 6 since some of the feats are unavailable if I will follow Aranticus' build strictly I'd post the stats but DDO character generator is just showing code so it might be difficult to read. I had it until level 16 on my own when I found that around level 6 the feat I was supposed to take was unavailable. If you still want a copy of the build I can probably attach the txt file if allowed.


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Feldspaar Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 187 Joined: Sep 21^st, 2009	Re: Refromed Thief build - What skill? Reply #9 - Apr 24^th, 2011 at 11:54pm	Print Post
	[C] hicken [G] od wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 11:47pm: I found that around level 6 the feat I was supposed to take was unavailable. Improved Two-Weapon Fighting?


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woody Shroud Slacker Offline Pass the popcorn Posts: 1078 Joined: Jan 26^th, 2010	Re: Refromed Thief build - What skill? Reply #10 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 12:02am	Print Post
	Feldspaar wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 11:54pm: Improved Two-Weapon Fighting? That might be where he's stuck. His bab is 1 pt shy of getting it( Needs 7, by his build he'd have 6 until after he leveled up). Also unless he put one of his first lvl up stat points into dex he wont qualify for it either. I have talked to Aranticus about some builds before and he sometimes takes into account the free feat exchange. He might have done that in this case.

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[C] hicken [G] od Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 13 Joined: Apr 24^th, 2011	Re: Refromed Thief build - What skill? Reply #11 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 12:04am	Print Post
	Feldspaar wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 11:54pm: Improved Two-Weapon Fighting? That's right. At level 1 I do have TWF but at level 6 Improved TWF is unavailable. I already have an existing build that mistakenly took Cleave as a feat, instead of Improved TWF. Using the Character Planner, I instead used OTWF instead.


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[C] hicken [G] od Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 13 Joined: Apr 24^th, 2011	Re: Refromed Thief build - What skill? Reply #12 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 12:05am	Print Post
	woody wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 12:02am: That might be where he's stuck. His bab is 1 pt shy of getting it( Needs 7, by his build he'd have 6 until after he leveled up). Also unless he put one of his first lvl up stat points into dex he wont qualify for it either. I have talked to Aranticus about some builds before and he sometimes takes into account the free feat exchange. He might have done that in this case. So should I talk to Fred for a feat exchange, you think?


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woody Shroud Slacker Offline Pass the popcorn Posts: 1078 Joined: Jan 26^th, 2010	Re: Refromed Thief build - What skill? Reply #13 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 12:11am	Print Post
	[C] hicken [G] od wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 12:05am: So should I talk to Fred for a feat exchange, you think? Here's what I would do: Take OTWF at the ITWF spot. When your bab gets to the qualifing number use fred and swap out for ITWF. Then at your OTWF spot grap SF: UMD. Araticus basically told me he put that in there because he's hates seeing negitive numbers. And at 20 not having it is not going to hurt you any.
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Feldspaar Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 187 Joined: Sep 21^st, 2009	Re: Refromed Thief build - What skill? Reply #14 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 12:13am	Print Post
	What level are you currently? According to Aranticus's build plan ITWF is the feat you take at level 7 (fighter level 6). That takes care of the BAB requirement but you also need a 17 dex. The build had a level up point put into dex to qualify and you only get those at 4, 8, 12. 16. and 20. If you haven't spent that one yet you'll need to wait until you do.


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woody Shroud Slacker Offline Pass the popcorn Posts: 1078 Joined: Jan 26^th, 2010	Re: Refromed Thief build - What skill? Reply #15 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 12:15am	Print Post
	Feldspaar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 12:13am: What level are you currently? According to Aranticus's build plan ITWF is the feat you take at level 7 (fighter level 6).� That takes care of the BAB requirement but you also need a 17 dex.� The build had a level up point put into dex to qualify and you only get those at 4, 8, 12. 16. and 20.� If you haven't spent that one yet you'll need to wait until you do. Edit: Nvm. Thought Bab requirment was 7 for some reason. Going to bed now before I make myself look even stupider.
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[C] hicken [G] od Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 13 Joined: Apr 24^th, 2011	Re: Refromed Thief build - What skill? Reply #16 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 12:16am	Print Post
	Feldspaar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 12:13am: What level are you currently? According to Aranticus's build plan ITWF is the feat you take at level 7 (fighter level 6).� That takes care of the BAB requirement but you also need a 17 dex.� The build had a level up point put into dex to qualify and you only get those at 4, 8, 12. 16. and 20.� If you haven't spent that one yet you'll need to wait until you do. I am on level 7 but made some mistakes on spending skill points so� I am redoing my existing build either delete or work with what I have but I think I'll do the former since I feel the toon is squishy.
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[C] hicken [G] od Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 13 Joined: Apr 24^th, 2011	Re: Refromed Thief build - What skill? Reply #17 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 12:32am	Print Post
	Feldspaar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 12:13am: What level are you currently? According to Aranticus's build plan ITWF is the feat you take at level 7 (fighter level 6).� That takes care of the BAB requirement but you also need a 17 dex.� The build had a level up point put into dex to qualify and you only get those at 4, 8, 12. 16. and 20.� If you haven't spent that one yet you'll need to wait until you do. Ok, I think I understand where I went wrong. I put the 1 pt on STR instead of DEX which is why I could not get ITWF. Perhaps when I am done with this plan and try it out in-game I am going to post the character planner to avoid the confusion. Now, how to spend the skill points is the question I have. I am unsure how to spend them evenly because according to the Character Planner I am missing points if I want to achieve the L20 numbers on the wiki. If anyone would like to see and critique my skill point spending I could post the whole thing if no one minds.


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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Refromed Thief build - What skill? Reply #18 - Apr 25^th, 2011 at 3:15am	Print Post
	[C] hicken [G] od wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 12:32am: Ok, I think I understand where I went wrong. I put the 1 pt on STR instead of DEX which is why I could not get ITWF. Perhaps when I am done with this plan and try it out in-game I am going to post the character planner to avoid the confusion. Now, how to spend the skill points is the question I have. I am unsure how to spend them evenly because according to the Character Planner I am missing points if I want to achieve the L20 numbers on the wiki. If anyone would like to see and critique my skill point spending I could post the whole thing if no one minds. The best way for people to help is having all the information at hand.

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[C] hicken [G] od Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 13 Joined: Apr 24^th, 2011	Re: Refromed Thief build - What skill? Reply #19 - Apr 27^th, 2011 at 10:15pm	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Apr 25^th, 2011 at 3:15am: The best way for people to help is having all the information at hand. This is what I have. I am still missing some of the enhancements but I think that is because I am spending any extra point on jump or Rogue skills. Any advice? Code Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.8.2 DDO Character Planner Home Page� Reformed Thief Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male (18 Fighter / 2 Rogue) Hit Points: 334 Spell Points: 0 BAB: 19/19/24/2929 Fortitude: 13 Reflex: 13 Will: 8 � �� Starting� �� Ending� �� Feat/Enhancement Abilities� � Base Stats� �Base Stats� � Modified Stats (28 Point)� � (Level 1)� � (Level 20)� �� (Level 20) Strength� �� 16� �� 18� �� 22 Dexterity� �� 16� �� 17� �� 18 Constitution� �� 14� �� 14� �� 14 Intelligence� �� 10� �� 10� �� 10 Wisdom� �� 8� �� 8� �� 8 Charisma� �� 8� �� 8� �� 8 � �� Starting� �� Ending� � Feat/Enhancement � �� Base Skills� Base Skills� Modified Skills Skills� �� (Level 1)� � (Level 20)� �� (Level 20) Balance� �� 7� �� 8� �� 8 Bluff� �� -1� �� -1� �� 1 Concentration� �� 2� �� 2� �� 4 Diplomacy� �� -1� �� -1� �� 1 Disable Device� �� 4� �� 15� �� 16 Haggle� �� -1� �� -1� �� -1 Heal� �� -1� �� -1� �� -1 Hide� �� 7� �� 8� �� 8 Intimidate� �� -1� �� -1� �� 3 Jump� �� 7� �� 10� �� 13 Listen� �� -1� �� -1� �� -1 Move Silently� �� 7� �� 8� �� 9 Open Lock� �� 7� �� 8� �� 9 Perform� �� n/a� �� n/a� �� n/a Repair� �� 0� �� 0� �� 0 Search� �� 4� �� 15� �� 16 Spot� �� -1� �� -1� �� 0 Swim� �� 3� �� 6� �� 6 Tumble� �� 7� �� 8� �� 9 Use Magic Device� �3� �� 17� �� 20 Level 1 (Rogue) Skill: Balance (+4) Skill: Disable Device (+4) Skill: Hide (+4) Skill: Jump (+4) Skill: Move Silently (+4) Skill: Open Lock (+4) Skill: Search (+4) Skill: Tumble (+4) Skill: Use Magic Device (+4) Feat: (Selected) Toughness Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I Enhancement: Improved Disable Device I Enhancement: Improved Search I Enhancement: Improved Tumble I Level 2 (Fighter) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I Level 3 (Fighter) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Feat: (Selected) Iron Will Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack Enhancement: Roguee Skill Boost I Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Fighter Strength I Level 4 (Fighter) Ability Raise: DEX Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I Enhancement: Improved Spot I Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I Level 5 (Fighter) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II Level 6 (Fighter) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Feat: (Selected) Bullheaded Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Level 7 (Fighter) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II Level 8 (Fighter) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost III Enhancement: Improved Jump I Level 9 (Fighter) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Feat: (Selected) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III Level 10 (Rogue) Skill: Disable Device (+2) Skill: Search (+2) Skill: Use Magic Device (+5) Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization I Enhancement: Fighter Strength II Level 11 (Fighter) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Enhancement: Improved Jump II Enhancement: Improved Move Silently I Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I Level 12 (Fighter) Ability Raise: STR Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery II Level 13 (Fighter) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III Enhancement: Improved Open Lock I Level 14 (Fighter) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV Level 15 (Fighter) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Feat: (Selected) Dodge Enhhancement: Fighter Kensei I Level 16 (Fighter) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II Enhancement: Improved Jump III Level 17 (Fighter) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery II Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III Level 18 (Fighter) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Feat: (Selected) Superior Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Defense Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV Level 19 (Fighter) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization II Level 20 (Fighter) Skill: Disable Device (+0.5) Skill: Search (+0.5) Skill: Use Magic Device (+0.5) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting Enhancement: Fighter Strength III


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Aranticus Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2110 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009	Re: Refromed Thief build - What skill? Reply #20 - Apr 28^th, 2011 at 2:03am	Print Post
	Just to clear some doubts. L4 level up point is sent to dex to allow itwf to be taken. Reformed thief is not supposed to be a full time rogue. This is due to low int n skill points. The 2 rogue is primarily used for evasion, umd and backstabbing damage. In addition this is a very basic toon for basic play and not optimized play. If you want to fight and get all traps, you'll want at least a 32 point build and tomes to spare to reduce dex, ie my 32 pt twf fighter started with 14 dex. I always recommend newer players to start with pure classes


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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Refromed Thief build - What skill? Reply #21 - Apr 28^th, 2011 at 3:42am	Print Post
	Aranticus wrote on Apr 28^th, 2011 at 2:03am: Just to clear some doubts. L4 level up point is sent to dex to allow itwf to be taken. Reformed thief is not supposed to be a full time rogue. This is due to low int n skill points. The 2 rogue is primarily used for evasion, umd and backstabbing damage. In addition this is a very basic toon for basic play and not optimized play. If you want to fight and get all traps, you'll want at least a 32 point build and tomes to spare to reduce dex, ie my 32 pt twf fighter started with 14 dex. I always recommend newer players to start with pure classes This.

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Aranticus Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2110 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009	Re: Refromed Thief build - What skill? Reply #22 - Apr 28^th, 2011 at 5:52am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Apr 28^th, 2011 at 3:42am: This. same stuff still works? man ddo really haven changed


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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Refromed Thief build - What skill? Reply #23 - Apr 28^th, 2011 at 6:01am	Print Post
	Aranticus wrote on Apr 28^th, 2011 at 5:52am: same stuff still works? man ddo really haven changed� lol, only thing that has changed are sorcs and wizards. The rest is the same.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Aranticus Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2110 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009	Re: Refromed Thief build - What skill? Reply #24 - Apr 28^th, 2011 at 6:14am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Apr 28^th, 2011 at 6:01am: lol, only thing that has changed are sorcs and wizards.� The rest is the same. then again, i'm supposed to be the DDO asian jesus lol


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