Tobril wrote on Oct 12^th, 2011 at 11:49am:


Hi Welcome

GFY.

Cor wrote on Oct 12^th, 2011 at 12:58pm:


It is possible to point out the flaws in a system without hating that system. Now if a system has nothing but flaws like PF and 4th edition then I hate it. But if it is fucked up yet still playable then I can work with that, while still being honest about the flaws. 3.5 meets this criteria. Older editions are just fucking stupid. The whole reason to buy rulebooks is to have rules. If they come back at you with some herpity derp do it yourself, then fuck you for making me waste my money when I could have just done it myself for free. That's what all of the pre 3rd edition versions do. Not to mention the part of the game that does have rules only has them to set up some DM vs player thing. Despite what I said to troll the mouth breathing fuckwits, I am not actually a fan of that.

Non D&D systems are both more fucked up than 3.5, and have a player population that is only slightly higher than zero. That means learning shitty rules, for games that no one actually plays. I like game mechanics and optimizing and all, but that is because I want to actually use the knowledge that I have obtained.

Not to mention that a very high number of systems seem to be based around highly improbable, retarded shit happening to make your characters look like incompetent fuckwits. And the more they are supposed to not be incompetent fuckwits, the more likely the system is to have such dynamics in play.

Epoch wrote on Oct 13^th, 2011 at 11:55am:


Heh. Unless they're optimizing something already top tier, I don't really give a fuck if they optimize. Especially if they're playing something inherently weak. I only play that card if they try to do something that truly is high end or TO style bullshit.

It's funny though because I'll read other people's accounts of their games, and they'll be freaking out over stupid, laughable shit. Like "oh noes, 5d6 damage at level 8, whatever shall I do" shit. And they aren't being sarcastic. But then, I find stupid people very entertaining. Laughter is the best medicine.

I also usually end up DMing, mostly because it's so fucking hard to find anyone else that can do it competently.

Also, lol FR.

And hey look, the fuckwit slinked back.

Cleavon wrote on Oct 14^th, 2011 at 6:43pm:


Bullshit to English Translation: Herpity derp, if you claim that a worthless system is not worthless, then you and your DM and your game is worthless.

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Bullshit to English translation: I think that massive nerfs mean highly improved. I am also still full of the herpaderpies.

PF melee class = worthless piece of shit that does nothing but occupy a square on the battle map, and maybe helps lift the enemy's sacks before they slaughter him. Any even halfway decent 3.5 melee character runs circles around the gimpfuck. Not that they're very good either but Jesus H Fucking Christ, how do you fuck up something that has almost nowhere to go but up? They fucked up MONKS, which have literally nowhere to go but up.

But then, it's made by SKR. The guy who thinks it's perfectly fine to make things that are completely useless, but don't seem completely useless, so that you will be tricked into taking them and having a completely useless character. And supposedly that makes you a better roleplayer. Did I mention that gamebook writers are paid by the word? His herpaderpies makes a lot more sense when you consider that.

You do get a small amount of credit for one thing. Your repeated claims that Pathfailure does not suck upon an entire barrel of cocks with a good DM. I am fairly sure that a master chef could make a shit sandwich not entirely taste like shit. If, however I procured the services of a master culinary worker I would not ask him to try to make the inedible edible. I would ask him to make his finest steaks. Along the same lines, I'm not going to waste time with shitty games. I am going to play good games.

Siver wrote on Oct 15^th, 2011 at 3:53am:


GFY.

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The answer is they aren't, and he is a delusional fuck. PA being capped at 5 is a DDO thing. In D&D it is capped at your BAB in 3.5, and is nerfed to a much smaller number in Pathfailure. Pathfailure Rogues are useless even when compared to the others.

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Yes. That and tripping itself was nerfed, in addition to reducing the chance of tripping someone. The others don't matter as they weren't worth doing anyways.

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Getting more feats is useful if feats remain the same or get better. Getting more feats is not necessarily a bonus if feats got weaker. If you are a caster, you are in the former group. If not, you are in the latter group. Humans get a +2 to whatever, so you play a caster and put it in your casting stat and you laugh all the way to the bank.

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Yes, amuse us with your lies and basket weaver bullshit dodges.

And that is what he has done.

Cleavon wrote on Oct 15^th, 2011 at 5:55am:


Hey look, more herpaderpies.

Powergaming the shit out of Pathfailure is incredibly simple.

You put 18 in your casting stat (you'd do this anyways).
You put 16 into Con (you'd only get 14 in 3.5, so hey buffs).
You take your free 1 HP/level from HD size increases.
You take your free 1 HP/level because the only reason to ever have more than one class as a caster was to PRC and get casting + other things. Except you do that anyways, so now it's more free bonuses.
You put your free +2 racial bonus into your casting stat.
You keep raising that casting stat, getting half cost items as needed to keep boosting it, and you take all the free DC boosting things the game gives you for free, and you take Persistent Spell in feat or rod form.

And then you make every mother fucking thing roll 2 20s in a row or lose, in every fight, ever. Until the end of fucking time. And if you want to do something else, you're completely worthless. Wow, what a great game. No wonder you are so insistent it takes an amazing DM to make it remotely usable. But you know, you might get better results if you work with a game that is not entirely worthless. Just a thought.

Epoch wrote on Oct 15^th, 2011 at 6:25am:


Son I am disappoint.

Shitty stock stats? Easily beatable pre epic.

PS: If you want the breakdown on why Cleavage is fucking retarded for thinking those feats are actually good, I posted a breakdown earlier in the thread.

Epoch wrote on Oct 15^th, 2011 at 10:04am:


That would be TO style bullshit.

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Because as we all know, more numbers means higher level right? Roffle.

I assume you mean TO crap again.

Siver wrote on Oct 15^th, 2011 at 6:07pm:


Re-directing a Bouncing Spell requires a swift action.  So you could cast as a standard, use your swift to bounce once and your move to bounce again then your out of moves.

popejubal wrote on Oct 16^th, 2011 at 12:28pm:


roffle

Siver wrote on Oct 15^th, 2011 at 6:07pm:


I think that a PF Rogue would get killed by a disabled enemy. They are that gimpy.

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I loled. Before 3, you just hit them so whatever.

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Now if only elf bonuses were worth anything.

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All he's done is list a bunch of shitty things and tell you they are not shitty.

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It would work with other spells though.

popejubal wrote on Oct 16^th, 2011 at 12:28pm:


I loled, but no. I mean with no scaling.