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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Question for the old timers Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 1:15pm	Print Post
	These <string_error> issues that I am seeing more and more of, have they always been there, or is it this relatively new? People with DB/SQL experience, is this indicative of a larger problem?

	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9961 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Question for the old timers Reply #1 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 1:32pm	Print Post
	They appeared with the Ice Games on Ghallanda for me. I don't remember them being there before that... On the other hand at that time I was playing on Codemasters Servers... and while we had a 1 to 4 month delay in modules ( supposedly for French and German Translation ), we had clean modules without crashes, with most of the bugs fixed and a lot of other stuff that never made it on US servers fixed. Seems Turbine made a build, sent the source code of the server and client to CM, which then did its own QA and localization, and then compiled it.
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Glenalth Puppy Farmer Offline Not banned, just bored Posts: 1602 Location: Albuquerque Joined: Sep 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Question for the old timers Reply #2 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 1:43pm	Print Post
	They've been around since the beginning. Usually some odd mob "voice" text or name, occasionally a spell/effect description in the combat log. A lot have come and gone.


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Darkrok Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1066 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Question for the old timers Reply #3 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 1:59pm	Print Post
	These are only indicative of a larger problem insofar as they indicate someone put faulty data either into the code or the database and the expected record for the data isn't located. They don't spread, they don't cause other issues, but they certainly look sloppy.

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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Question for the old timers Reply #4 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 2:02pm	Print Post
	Glenalth wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 1:43pm: They've been around since the beginning. Thanks! Darkrok wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 1:59pm: These are only indicative of a larger problem insofar as they indicate someone put faulty data either into the code or the database and the expected record for the data isn't located. Ok. I was wondering if they weren't some sort of cascading problem. Thanks for clearing it up.

	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Question for the old timers Reply #5 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 2:12pm	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 1:15pm: These <string_error> issues that I am seeing more and more of, have they always been there, or is it this relatively new? People with DB/SQL experience, is this indicative of a larger problem? I agree they have been here since the beginning. I wouldn't say those are indicative of a larger issues per say it could be as simple as typo but based on how bad MYDDO is I have always had a strong inclination that their database is a mess. Normally, if you give someone an AccountID and say query 100 pieces of info from this account it should be a trivial task.

	Nevynn wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 11:38pm: Anybody coming to this board expecting anything more sophisticated than a dick joke had better get used to disappointment. Calvet wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 12:18pm: I just got that impression after you spent 13 pages calling out eladiun for being an interwebs bully when anyone who's been posting on here already knew that.� I mean, he's proud of it and hardly tries to hide that at all. Quote: Eladiun is an awful person
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Gawna Ex Member	Re: Question for the old timers Reply #6 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 2:14pm	Print Post
	I don't recall seeing them until Gianthold came out.


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scraap Ex Member	Re: Question for the old timers Reply #7 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 2:15pm	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 2:02pm: Ok. I was wondering if they weren't some sort of cascading problem. Thanks for clearing it up. The only time that's a cascade issue is if they decided to refactor the DB search methods, or ordering reference schema. Wouldn't necessarily rule either of those out, since I believe you're referring to old stuff dissapearing, like some of the map descriptions in gianthold and the like and not the newer stuff, but call it highly improbable.


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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Question for the old timers Reply #8 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 2:19pm	Print Post
	Eladiun wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 2:12pm: I agree they have been here since the beginning.� I wouldn't say those are indicative of a larger issues per say it could be as simple as typo but based on how bad MYDDO is I have always had a strong inclination that their database is a mess.� Normally, if you give someone an AccountID and say query 100 pieces of info from this account it should be a trivial task. I just checked linkedin and I have a contact that is a contact with a DB guy they just hired at Turbine about 4 months ago. If he is at the same level as my linkedin contact, he knows his sizzle.

	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Question for the old timers Reply #9 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 2:30pm	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 2:19pm: I just checked linkedin and I have a contact that is a contact with a DB guy they just hired at Turbine about 4 months ago. If he is at the same level as my linkedin contact, he knows his sizzle. If it was fucked up from go, after 6 years of layering more fuck on top of it may be beyond saving.

	Nevynn wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 11:38pm: Anybody coming to this board expecting anything more sophisticated than a dick joke had better get used to disappointment. Calvet wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 12:18pm: I just got that impression after you spent 13 pages calling out eladiun for being an interwebs bully when anyone who's been posting on here already knew that.� I mean, he's proud of it and hardly tries to hide that at all. Quote: Eladiun is an awful person
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contan Dragon Raider Offline The bane of your existence Posts: 231 Location: In your ass Joined: Jul 21^st, 2010 Gender:	Re: Question for the old timers Reply #10 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 2:52pm	Print Post
	I blame Dungeon Alert.

	STFU and GFY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QS0q3mGPGg
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arkohighstar Ex Member	Re: Question for the old timers Reply #11 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 2:54pm	Print Post
	basically all text is kept in string table files, this allows them to create multiple language files and simply have the code point to the correct one for each language. The problem arises when the code refers to an id that does not exist in the table. It has been there since the beginning, but has gotten worse with more text being added. QA will let it pass through because it is non game breaking, and Turbine would rather have the release out in the wild and fix later than hold it back to get some more polish.
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Oakianus Troleplayer Offline I Really Do Love Drama! Posts: 5466 Joined: May 20^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Question for the old timers Reply #12 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 3:04pm	Print Post
	It's not a hard mistake to make, in my understanding. Like, if they put $Shared_Bank in the code and it's actually $shared_bank, then you're gonna get some hop ons.


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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Question for the old timers Reply #13 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 3:09pm	Print Post
	Oakianus wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 3:04pm: It's not a hard mistake to make, in my understanding.� Like, if they put $Shared_Bank in the code and it's actually $shared_bank, then you're gonna get some hop ons.� In modern compilers/IDE's, that sort of syntax error is a lot harder to make than having an empty line in the corresponding string table.

	Nevynn wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 11:38pm: Anybody coming to this board expecting anything more sophisticated than a dick joke had better get used to disappointment. Calvet wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 12:18pm: I just got that impression after you spent 13 pages calling out eladiun for being an interwebs bully when anyone who's been posting on here already knew that.� I mean, he's proud of it and hardly tries to hide that at all. Quote: Eladiun is an awful person
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Oakianus Troleplayer Offline I Really Do Love Drama! Posts: 5466 Joined: May 20^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Question for the old timers Reply #14 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 3:16pm	Print Post
	Eladiun wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 3:09pm: In modern compilers/IDE's, that sort of syntax error is a lot harder to make than having an empty line in the corresponding string table. That makes sense, too. I was just thinking about KoL, which I'm totally getting back into right now - they recently had a major issue along those exact lines, and their developers are like the anti-Turbine, so they shared every step of fixing it with the player base while accepting feedback and responding to it. It's kinda fucking magical.


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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Question for the old timers Reply #15 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 3:17pm	Print Post
	Oakianus wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 3:16pm: It's kinda fucking magical. You know what else is magical?

	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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Oakianus Troleplayer Offline I Really Do Love Drama! Posts: 5466 Joined: May 20^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Question for the old timers Reply #16 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 3:18pm	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 3:17pm: You know what else is magical? Leprechauns?


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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Question for the old timers Reply #17 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 3:19pm	Print Post
	Oakianus wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 3:18pm: Leprechauns? You just went back on OMGBIZZY probation for /fail.

	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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Oakianus Troleplayer Offline I Really Do Love Drama! Posts: 5466 Joined: May 20^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Question for the old timers Reply #18 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 3:20pm	Print Post
	Noooo! I will not Wizzly out!


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Grace Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 5851 Joined: Aug 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Question for the old timers Reply #19 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 3:20pm	Print Post
	That can happen? Oak is gonna be on probation for fucking ever.

	JDollar wrote on Apr 10^th, 2013 at 5:25pm: she's Kmack's property Quote: You're obviously important to the community.� And not just because your skin is so supple and soft and smells like honeysuckle and friendship. JDollar wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 2:15am: To put in DnD terms Grace is a CR 60 EE Ball Busting Bitch
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Oakianus Troleplayer Offline I Really Do Love Drama! Posts: 5466 Joined: May 20^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Question for the old timers Reply #20 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 3:22pm	Print Post
	Grace wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 3:20pm: That can happen? Oak is gonna be on probation for fucking ever. I'll have to ragequit before I can get booted.


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Maxwell Edison Bailiff Offline HADOUKEN! Posts: 3142 Location: Bologna Joined: Jul 13^th, 2011	Re: Question for the old timers Reply #21 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 3:27pm	Print Post
	You know what you can boot?

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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Question for the old timers Reply #22 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 3:28pm	Print Post
	Maxwell Edison wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 3:27pm: You know what you can boot? You are really bad at this.

	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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Maxwell Edison Bailiff Offline HADOUKEN! Posts: 3142 Location: Bologna Joined: Jul 13^th, 2011	Re: Question for the old timers Reply #23 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 3:31pm	Print Post
	The typical answer still provides great entertainment to onlookers.

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Grace Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 5851 Joined: Aug 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Question for the old timers Reply #24 - Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 3:32pm	Print Post
	Maxwell Edison wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2011 at 3:31pm: The typical answer still provides great entertainment to onlookers. Know what else provides great entertainment?

	JDollar wrote on Apr 10^th, 2013 at 5:25pm: she's Kmack's property Quote: You're obviously important to the community.� And not just because your skin is so supple and soft and smells like honeysuckle and friendship. JDollar wrote on Jul 10^th, 2013 at 2:15am: To put in DnD terms Grace is a CR 60 EE Ball Busting Bitch
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