Epoch wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 10:04am:


It does show that I have a pretty good idea when you get the ship Epoch. And guess what've average level range was when I got it on all 4 of those toons. That's right it was between 16-17 on a four. It gives an average range of when about you'll get it. I kno I know that is hard for you to grasp Epoch but please try to keep up. It really isn't that hard. I acknowledged ready that yes it does ultimately depend on when you finish your story arc on the second planet, which oddly enough is about level 16-17 following the main line quests and side quests. It's amazing how someone could give an average level that coincides with that. So it is not misinformation, but rather you unable to think abstractly enough to understand averages.

Zippo wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 10:12am:


It is misinformation you idiot.  The information has nothing to do with obtaining a ship.  You know what does? Completing the second planets story line. 

Also, the way you like to mention how having 4 characters with a ship is amusing.  You have 4 of them, yet you still couldn't mention how the ship was obtained.  It is amazing!

Epoch wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 10:31am:


Jesus, just go Jill yourself if you can't understand averages. I'll try it this way for you and maybe just maybe you'll grasp it. You said 13-20 right? 13+20=33. 33 divided by 2 = 16.5, Well wouldn't you know it, that's right in the middle of what I said it would be around. Amazing isn't it? Try again.

Maxwell Edison wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 11:16am:



For the 7th time! I was just giving the average level you'll be when you complete the prologue and get your ship. Really people, it is not that hard to understand what is being said!

stainey, it's moot. they don't give ships to the likes of you.

I got my ship around level 16.

stainer wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 11:27am:

When you finish the main quests on the second planet.

Around level 12 or so, if you prefer to charge through the quests.

Around 20 or so, if you play around and have fun with other things than the quests.

At least, that was my experience. Yes, I managed to get a ship on one character around 12, the other 20. My 20 did do a lot of PvP though, so probably should deduct 5 levels if you avoid it completely (I was seeing how the PvP games work. I kind of like them. Especially the sport game one, once I figured out how to not stand in the fire and acid.)

I've been telling people in General chat that they will get their ship around lvl 15-17... and I see no issue in continuing to do so.

Can I use Turbine points and buy a ship?

Zippo wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 2:52pm:


Perhaps I did not make my explanation clear enough. I apologize, and will attempt to elaborate.

Most games have their travel abilities tied to level. Even TOR, with the speeders, have level based travel powers. More than a few games give some of the travel abilities to classes at different levels, as a perk, or to balance out their deficiencies, or just for some other random silly reason. So, by saying " around" and not specifying that it is NOT tied to level, you ARE implying it is tied to level. So, if somebody, who was only marginally interested in TOR and didn't feel like doing more research on it, read your post, and nobody bothered calling you an idiot for it, as so many rightly did, then a rational person would be under the mistaken impression that some classes get their ships at different levels, and that "around 16-17" is where most get them (For example: Jedi and sith get ships at 16, Agents and Smugglers at 17, Soldiers at 15 because they suck so much, and BH at 19 because they are overpowered).

As an amusing aside, I think that had you written your original post about the ships on the official Old Republic forums, you'd have at least a half dozen posts complaining about not getting their ship at level 16, and a few more asking about what class gets the ship first. This of course is in addition to about 3-5 times the number of posts correcting your terribly written comment about when the ship is acquired as are on this thread.

Of course, I also think that I'm an idiot for trying to teach you anything, but that's beside the point.

Epoch wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 10:04am:


I feel validated in my happy place.

Zippo wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 11:06am:


Sadly, I am all out of Jills. Got any to spare?

I heard you get a ship.

When do you get the ship?

I hope it isn't too late in the game.

Memnir wrote on Dec 27^th, 2011 at 6:14pm:


First, as far as conversation options, there is usually at least 3, one "nice," one "mean," and one "neutral." There can be more, just like with many of Bioware's other RPGs, you can get the conversation wheel full of choices.

Next, regarding the character builds, you get your base class, and your advanced class. These currently can not be changed. After that, you get a talent point every level starting at 10, which you can use to modify your advanced class (they pretty much took this from WoW, so if you've seen how talents work there, you know how it will work here. Fairly intuitive). Each class has three trees. One is usually a damage tree, another a support tree (tanking or healing, depending on your class), and the third a sort of balanced tree, focusing on your base class abilities (again, this is how things usually seem to work, and some classes like to be different).

Finally, regarding visual customization, gear basically consists of two things: First, you have the item itself. Basically, it is nothing more than a container. Inside the item, you put the mods, which determine how good your gear is. You think that set of level 10 gear you get from the first group mission thingy is the best looking thing ever? Keep it, cannibalize all your new gear for the mods, and stuff them into your old item. This is probably the best thing about the game, I think.


As far as Light Side/Dark Side, a Jedi will never become a Sith in this game. Nor will a Sith become a Jedi. Your training doesn't magically change because you are too nice or nasty, so even if your sith sorcerer goes full light side, you'll continue to spit out lightning. Far as I could see from when I played, some gear has alignment restrictions, and that's about it. Most notably, crystals. Red crystals are evil, and blue/green are good. Luckily, if you already have a crystal loaded in your weapon, you don't lose it when you change alignment (My bounty hunter made a bee line for light side just to test this out). You probably get some kind of bonuses if you get high enough, but I didn't play with the alignment enough to notice anything (only got to about level 1 or 2).