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Smrti's Final Incarnation
Dec 30th, 2011 at 4:11pm
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Still working on gear, then past lives, but I'm looking for some advice on my ideas.

I'm looking at making Smrti a monster build on her final life waaaaay down the line. My question is, is there a way to have a twf with a dps gearset as well as an AC headset? I've looked at things like the Siren Set, Icys, etc, but I'm a serious newb when it comes to AC gear for pajamas.

Anyone got links, ideas, etc?

I've got time right now to plan, but I'd like to make it a 12+ fighter/2+ monk/etc. I loved the monster build for its versatility amd ability to have decent AC til late game. If I can keep that going, I'd be very happy. I'm also planning on being half elf to finish.
  
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Re: Smrti's Final Incarnation
Reply #1 - Jan 2nd, 2012 at 7:34pm
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You can, but it does require an investment in Wisdom, however even a starting 14 with +6 item, +2 yugo, +2 ship, +2 tome is 26 which is +8ac.

That would mesh well with Half Elf and Cleric Dilly for heal scrolls/raise scrolls.

With an ac mode, you can drop a little hp/heal amp and dps as it isn't something you will swap to in epic.

Key items like Icy's, +8ac bracers (Epic Scorched Bracers with Hvy Fort could replace Claw Bracers) and a source of Protection +5 (min2 hp item?) or even +6 (Epic Ring of the Silver Concord).

Shield Wands are pretty critical for +4ac too, UMD30ish is about what you want for them. Could use lvl5 wands if you don't mind the tedium.

Combat Expertise also you wil lwant, will let you take Improved Trip too if you have room.

Once you get over 70ac every +1, +2 really add up and make a difference.
  

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Reply #2 - Jan 3rd, 2012 at 3:05am
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Felgor wrote on Jan 2nd, 2012 at 7:34pm:
You can, but it does require an investment in Wisdom, however even a starting 14 with +6 item, +2 yugo, +2 ship, +2 tome is 26 which is +8ac.

That would mesh well with Half Elf and Cleric Dilly for heal scrolls/raise scrolls.

With an ac mode, you can drop a little hp/heal amp and dps as it isn't something you will swap to in epic.

Key items like Icy's, +8ac bracers (Epic Scorched Bracers with Hvy Fort could replace Claw Bracers) and a source of Protection +5 (min2 hp item?) or even +6 (Epic Ring of the Silver Concord).

Shield Wands are pretty critical for +4ac too, UMD30ish is about what you want for them. Could use lvl5 wands if you don't mind the tedium.

Combat Expertise also you wil lwant, will let you take Improved Trip too if you have room.

Once you get over 70ac every +1, +2 really add up and make a difference.


Looking at getting Icy's soon, have my Scorched Bracers already slotted. Not really keen on making my next 2 Min2's (Item and Khopesh with +4 Insight) though Tongue

CE yes, Dodge/Mobility yes. Idk how to get UMD though without getting Rogue lvls...
  
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Reply #3 - Jan 3rd, 2012 at 11:34am
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What level split appeals to you blank?  I may be able to offer some helpful suggestions as well.

ETA:  I got the 12/6/2 part.  Just wondering about the classes you prefer to use the format with.
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Madcow430 wrote on Jan 3rd, 2012 at 11:34am:
What level split appeals to you blank?  I may be able to offer some helpful suggestions as well.

ETA:  I got the 12/6/2 part.  Just wondering about the classes you prefer to use the format with.


I'd like to do the monster build again. I looked at Groudon99999999999's Meathelmet build and I love the concept. It's the monster, but can swap to an AC option with an Enhancement Reset.

I'd reverse engineer it, but I'm a noob when it comes to AC builds and definitely need some help.
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 9th, 2012 at 7:16am
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Looking at getting Icy's soon, have my Scorched Bracers already slotted. Not really keen on making my next 2 Min2's (Item and Khopesh with +4 Insight) though Tongue

CE yes, Dodge/Mobility yes. Idk how to get UMD though without getting Rogue lvls...


Alchemical Tier 1 Air is a much better source of +4 insight AC, then put Air on tier 2 for +2 dex (for +5 total AC), 6% doublestrike and lightning strike.

You can get enough UMD with gear swaps for shield wands:
11 base
+5 charisma (8 base +6 item +2 tome +2 yugo +2 ship)
+4 GH
+2 GL
+3 cartouche
+3 spyglass
+2 skills boost (if you go ranger)
+6 GS Charisma skills item
=36. Plenty.

3 piece abishai is important for AC and DPS.
Grims Bracelet is amazing (+7 strength, +3 dodge, green slot)
+5 protection you'd normally have on your MinII's (probably goggles slot unless you went unarmed and wanted exceptional wisdom there).
Claw Gloves is a given, no point in having the AC if you don't have a little bit of hate to go along with it. But then you need the bracers (good) or the gem (bad). Then you have to ditch the scorched bracers and are left with helm/boots/cloak for abishai set. +8 AC can only go on belt at that stage (epic siren's ward) as you've got icy's on. But then you don't really need the MinII goggles as you have protection +5 and heavy fort covered. LotD is probably required to get +1 dex and +1 wisdom for a potential additional +2 AC.

It's all a bit circular.

Conclusions: Hate is important in a gear set as you lose DPS from taking AC gear. Beyond that? Who knows.
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 9th, 2012 at 2:27pm
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wowo wrote on Jan 9th, 2012 at 7:16am:
Alchemical Tier 1 Air is a much better source of +4 insight AC, then put Air on tier 2 for +2 dex (for +5 total AC), 6% doublestrike and lightning strike.

You can get enough UMD with gear swaps for shield wands:
11 base
+6 charisma (8 base +7 item +3 tome +2 yugo +2 ship)
+4 GH
+2 GL
+3 cartouche
+3 spyglass
+2 skills boost (if you go ranger)
+6 GS Charisma skills item
=36. Plenty.

3 piece abishai is important for AC and DPS.
Grims Bracelet is amazing (+7 strength, +3 dodge, green slot)
+5 protection you'd normally have on your MinII's (probably goggles slot unless you went unarmed and wanted exceptional wisdom there).
Claw Gloves is a given, no point in having the AC if you don't have a little bit of hate to go along with it. But then you need the bracers (good) or the gem (bad). Then you have to ditch the scorched bracers and are left with helm/boots/cloak for abishai set. +8 AC can only go on belt at that stage (epic siren's ward) as you've got icy's on. But then you don't really need the MinII goggles as you have protection +5 and heavy fort covered. LotD is probably required to get +1 dex and +1 wisdom for a potential additional +2 AC.

It's all a bit circular.

Conclusions: Hate is important in a gear set as you lose DPS from taking AC gear. Beyond that? Who knows.


I like these ideas. I was also thinking of Alchemical Khopesh, with a double Air, then an Earth/Water to get +2 Dex and Wis, as well as the +10 Stun, Eathgrab, Lit2, Crushing Wave, Salt, etc.

Also, fixed your stuff a tad bit to reflect what I have and/or will have easily.
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Reply #7 - Jan 11th, 2012 at 1:04pm
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How much time do you have? Personally, I'd put too wacky ideas into the fridge until some enhancement trees are bearing fruit.
  

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Reply #8 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 11:22am
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This is the "Meathelmet" build that I've been playing for over a year.  Keyword search that when the forums come back up.

It's an old thread that I will refresh right before he TRs.
  
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Reply #9 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 8:57pm
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grim's bracelet is a nice piece +7 str / +3 dodge

3 piece Abishai set at least is 3 str / 3 to ac

head of good fortune upgraded is +2 dodge

alchemical air/air is nice = 5 ac

min 2 shroud set is nice +4 insight/+2 wis = 5 ac

tod ring +6 dex +1 dex +2 dex can be +2 ac

shield wand +4 ac

just a few things I've listed here can up your ac by 20 easily with a bit of work it can be done Wink
  
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Reply #10 - Feb 6th, 2012 at 9:31pm
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Bigjunk wrote on Feb 6th, 2012 at 11:22am:
This is the "Meathelmet" build that I've been playing for over a year.  Keyword search that when the forums come back up.

It's an old thread that I will refresh right before he TRs.


Please refresh it soon. I looked it over and found it quite hard to read considering how old it is Tongue
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 10:02am
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Please refresh it soon. I looked it over and found it quite hard to read considering how old it is Tongue


Got a slow work day, looking at it now.
  
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Reply #12 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 11:24am
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Bigjunk wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 10:02am:
Got a slow work day, looking at it now.


Sweet! Lemme know. I ain't got shit to do after 1pm.
  
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Reply #14 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 2:11pm
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Hey Blank, don't forget that, with TWF, you can't get any AC out of that shit.  Good thing we have Beol for these sweet ass tips.
  
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Reply #15 - Feb 7th, 2012 at 3:50pm
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Hey Blank, don't forget that, with TWF, you can't get any AC out of that shit.  Good thing we have Beol for these sweet ass tips.


But he's so good in the PvP pit. Til I got my (at the time) lvl 9 Arty and fucking destroyed him.

It's the little things.
  
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Bigjunk wrote on Feb 7th, 2012 at 2:05pm:


Reading now. Tyvm.
  
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Reply #17 - Feb 20th, 2012 at 4:03pm
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Damn awesome dude in general.  Thank ya!
  
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Reply #18 - Mar 6th, 2012 at 7:36pm
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Ok, now for the million dollar question: HElf for current optimization, or Human for speculative optimization witht he new AP trees?
  
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Ok, now for the million dollar question: HElf for current optimization, or Human for speculative optimization witht he new AP trees?


I'd go with current, but that's because I don't see any real issues with serial tr'ing anymore.
  

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Osharan Tregarth wrote on Mar 6th, 2012 at 7:41pm:
I'd go with current, but that's because I don't see any real issues with serial tr'ing anymore.


True, but it would be her 4th Fighter life. That's annoying.
  
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True, but it would be her 4th Fighter life. That's annoying.


Well, I guess a +3 heart beforehand would get you another useless ranger past life!   Grin
  

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Reply #22 - Mar 6th, 2012 at 9:12pm
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Osharan Tregarth wrote on Mar 6th, 2012 at 9:10pm:
Well, I guess a +3 heart beforehand would get you another useless ranger past life!   Grin


Or would you need a +5 for that?
  

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Osharan Tregarth wrote on Mar 6th, 2012 at 9:10pm:
Well, I guess a +3 heart beforehand would get you another useless ranger past life!   Grin


Fuck that shit.

Human is probably what I'll go for. Extra feat, extra skill points, same heal amp.

I lose out on dilletante, but with the way humans will have access to every single racial prestige, it works out nicely.

Plus, Smrti was a human her first life.
  
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Reply #24 - Mar 7th, 2012 at 11:24am
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I've got a friend who did 12 fighter/6 pally/2 monk in a WF package, and he really likes it. Hitting pretty decent AC and very well geared.

http://my.ddo.com/character/sarlona/planetterror/

He even has enough UMD to wear eChaosBlades. If you want I can ask him how he built it.
  
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