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Jan 11th, 2012 at 8:22pm
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Made a Dwarf FvS as part of an experiment to level a toon through challenges.  I usually care little for the well-being of other members of my party and haven't played an MMO Healer since I quit CoH 6 years ago.  So My plan was to run Walldorf here primarily in our 3-4 man group of self sufficient characters so I really only have to worry about my own ass for the most part.  I know fuck all about playing divines in DDO so I'd appreciate it if I could get some feedback on what stupid decisions I've made/will make.

Toon was rolled yesterday 1st life vet status, haven't even crafted any gear yet (made some shards) so certainly willing to reroll if necessary.  Also please insult my spell choices as I have no idea which ones can easily be scrolled and are unworthy of a spell slot.

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Walldorf Statler
Level 20 True Neutral Dwarf Male
(20 Favored Soul)
Hit Points: 362
Spell Points: 1922

BAB: 15/15/20/2525
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 12
Will: 20

              Starting    Feat/Enhancement
Abilities    Base Stats    Modified Stats
(32 Point)    (Level 1)      (Level 20)
Strength           14                16
Dexterity           8                10
Constitution       16                20
Intelligence       10                12
Wisdom             17                26
Charisma           11                17

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 20
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

              Starting      Feat/Enhancement
             Base Skills  Modified Skills
Skills       (Level 1)      (Level 20)
Balance            -1             5
Bluff              0              3
Concentration      7              28
Diplomacy          0              5
Disable Device     n/a            n/a
Haggle             0              3
Heal               3              10
Hide               -1             0
Intimidate         0              3
Jump               4              13
Listen             3              8
Move Silently      -1             0
Open Lock          n/a            n/a
Perform            n/a            n/a
Repair             0              1
Search             0              3
Spot               3              8
Swim               2              3
Tumble             n/a            1
Use Magic Device   1              14

Level 1 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Deity) Favored by the Sovereign Host
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Spell (1): Command
Spell (1): Nightshield

Level 2 (Favored Soul)
Spell (1): Divine Favor

Level 3 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Spell (1): Protection From Evil

Level 4 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS
Spell (2): Resist Energy

Level 5 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Electricity
Spell (2): Hold Person

Level 6 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Spell (3): Protection From Energy
Enhancement: Favored Soul Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Angel of Vengeance I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Smiting I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Life I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness II

Level 7 (Favvored Soul)
Spell (2): Soundburst
Spell (3): Cure Serious Wounds

Level 8 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement

Level 9 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Evocation
Spell (2): Eagle's Spendor
Spell (3): Remove Curse
Spell (4): Divine Power

Level 10 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Acid
Spell (5): Divine Punishment

Level 11 (Favored Soul)
Spell (3): Water Breathing
Spell (4): Dismissal
Spell (5): Raise Dead

Level 12 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell
Spell (6): Blade Barrier
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty (Favored Soul)
Enhancement: Favored Soul Angel of Vengeance II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Smiting II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Smiting I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Smiting II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Spell Penetration II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wisdom I

Level 13 (Favored Soul)
Spell (4): Cure Critical Wounds
Spell (5): Greater Command
Spell (6): Heal

Level 14 (Favored Soul)
Spell (7): Greater Restoration

Level 15 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Fire
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Spell (5): Flame Strike
Spell (6): Cometfall
Spell (7): Mass Cure Serious Wounds

Level 16 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS
Spell (8): Mass Death Ward

Level 17 (Favored Soul)
Spell (7): Destruction
Spell (8): Death Pact

Level 18 (Favored Soul)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Spell (9): Mass Heal

Level 19 (Favored Soul)
Spell (8): Mass Cure Critical Wounds
Spell (9): True Resurrection

Level 20 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS
Feat: (Deity) Favored Soul Damage Reduction: Cold Iron
Spell (9): Implosion
Enhancement: Favored Soul Ascendency: Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Smiting III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Smiting III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Smiting IV
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wisdom II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wand and Scroll Mastery I 

  

                                                                      
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Reply #1 - Jan 11th, 2012 at 10:13pm
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Not sure how to build a first life dwarf, though I have a multi-TR cleric/fvs. Soulsurvivor (melee) or evoker were the popular paths last I knew.
  
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Reply #2 - Jan 12th, 2012 at 4:54am
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Looking over the build, it looks like you want to be caster based.

Not sure if you have your heart set on a Dwarf, just saying, Human or Helf is probably better for a evoker type.

With human you can take the extra evocation feat for implosion and blade barrier.  Speaking of feats, I'd probably drop empower heal for Spell pen (Or greater evo if stuck on dwarf).  If your heals are mainly for you, empower heal will just be overkill.  I don't have it on my evoker and I don't have any problem in raids etc healing other people.

Craft a greater Evocation ring (preferably with large slot for 160 extra sp) as soon as you get BB and you'll rip up anything that doesn't stand still. 


If you go Helf, the paladin dilly is pretty strong.  You're basicaly exchanging 1 feat and some AP (Can't remember exactly how many) for +5 to saves.  The feat dropped would be spell pen/empower heal.

Dex is probably more important than str as well if going to be caster focused.  +3 to reflex at endgame is pretty big. A bonus of +3 to hit and damage for a gimpy melee toon isn't going to make any differance worth mentioning.

All that said, max wisdom first.  Order of importance of abilities.

Wis > Con > Cha > Dex > Str and int.


You only want enough cha really to cast lvl 9 spells.  A few more points above is nice for cha damage stuff, but if you're going to do challenges only and there isn't anything there that damages CHA, then just aim for 20 with items (22 ship buffed).

There's probably more, but that's enough rambling for now  Cheesy
  

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Reply #3 - Jan 12th, 2012 at 9:35am
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You could probably start with 14 con since you are self healing and have the dwarf con enhancements. Barrock is a human evoker 1st life, and I may have started him with 14 con... cant remember, but wouldn't be surprised if I did.
  

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Reply #4 - Jan 12th, 2012 at 12:24pm
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stainer wrote on Jan 12th, 2012 at 9:35am:
You could probably start with 14 con since you are self healing and have the dwarf con enhancements. Barrock is a human evoker 1st life, and I may have started him with 14 con... cant remember, but wouldn't be surprised if I did.

People get all butt hurt about Con, but to be frank, most of your HP comes from gear.
The difference between 12 and 14 or 14 and 16 Con is a whopping 20 HP at cap.  If 20 HP is going to break your build, your fucking build was already broken.
That goes double on someone that can toss a quickened heal.
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Cale wrote on Jan 12th, 2012 at 12:24pm:
People get all butt hurt about Con, but to be frank, most of your HP comes from gear.
The difference between 12 and 14 or 14 and 16 Con is a whopping 20 HP at cap.  If 20 HP is going to break your build, your fucking build was already broken.
That goes double on someone that can toss a quickened heal.


I am with you, but I think I have started all my characters with at least 14, except maybe springrolls first life. If I don't need the points anywhere else, they go to con.
  

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Reply #6 - Jan 12th, 2012 at 12:33pm
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stainer wrote on Jan 12th, 2012 at 12:29pm:
I am with you, but I think I have started all my characters with at least 14, except maybe springrolls first life. If I don't need the points anywhere else, they go to con.


Oh, I do the same.  Spend starting points on a one-for-one basis in Con.  12 for elves, 16 for WF and dwarves, 14 for everyone else.  But if I'm coming up short for something else and I need two more points, that's where it's coming from.
  

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Reply #7 - Jan 12th, 2012 at 12:37pm
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Dropping con to 13 or perhaps 15 nets you enough to end up in the high 500- low 600hp with a bit of gear.  Those extra points can max your wisdom and perhaps give you a bit more dex. 

Being knocked on your ass prevents you from self healing.  I'd consider investing in balance to minimize the amount of time you spend knocked down.  I've played a casting focused variant for fun and the amount of times enemy AI throws trip is surprising.

Also, your spell pen looks like it needs some addressing.  I might have missed it by glancing, but there doesn't seem to be an investment there.  This will render your destruction/implosion nearly useless.
  
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Reply #8 - Jan 12th, 2012 at 12:52pm
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DDO is hard

New plan is to just wing it each level with these comments as a guide and then once the build breaks at higher level LR it.
  

                                                                      
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Reply #10 - Jan 12th, 2012 at 1:07pm
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Take a look at Impacts Evoker build on the other forums for some guidance.
  

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Seems legit.  I'm hesitant to reroll him now despite my OP as I crafted his gear last night and am too lazy to craft another ML3 Mithral Full Plate of Sup. Stabilty (used a cannith mark).  Dwarf is important too because I named him after a muppet and Dwarf is the only race that really lets me approximate the look.

  

                                                                      
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Reply #12 - Jan 12th, 2012 at 2:06pm
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Maxwell Edison wrote on Jan 12th, 2012 at 1:16pm:
Seems legit.  I'm hesitant to reroll him now despite my OP as I crafted his gear last night and am too lazy to craft another ML3 Mithral Full Plate of Sup. Stabilty (used a cannith mark).  Dwarf is important too because I named him after a muppet and Dwarf is the only race that really lets me approximate the look.

http://vtms.webs.com/TF1-MuppetsTV-PhotoGallery-36-Waldorf.jpg


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Maxwell Edison wrote on Jan 12th, 2012 at 1:16pm:
Seems legit.  I'm hesitant to reroll him now despite my OP as I crafted his gear last night and am too lazy to craft another ML3 Mithral Full Plate of Sup. Stabilty (used a cannith mark).  Dwarf is important too because I named him after a muppet and Dwarf is the only race that really lets me approximate the look.

http://vtms.webs.com/TF1-MuppetsTV-PhotoGallery-36-Waldorf.jpg


Then it's worth going Dwarf.
  

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WF soul survivor!

i TR'd my gimpy pally into one and have never looked back.  it plays like a barb, but can self heal, has a butt load of SP, dots, and can kite shit through blade barrier.  ive got mine up 14 and its loads of fun to play and can solo just about anything.  if you like to zerg full speed ahead, youll love a soul survivor.
  

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green00_00 wrote on Jan 12th, 2012 at 9:47pm:
WF soul survivor!

i TR'd my gimpy pally into one and have never looked back.  it plays like a barb, but can self heal, has a butt load of SP, dots, and can kite shit through blade barrier.  ive got mine up 14 and its loads of fun to play and can solo just about anything.  if you like to zerg full speed ahead, youll love a soul survivor.



That build is shit.  I think we have been through this before.  "We" as in me and the vault.
  

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green00_00 wrote on Jan 12th, 2012 at 9:47pm:
WF soul survivor!


I have a TR2 WF Soul Surviour-esque build and an 1st life Evoker Human. Both are equipped well. Both are enjoyable. I can solo high end content with either. Evoker > Soul Survivor. Significantly.

Although wielding a Terror makes the Soul a lot of fun.
  

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Epoch wrote on Jan 13th, 2012 at 3:44am:
That build is shit.  I think we have been through this before.  "We" as in me and the vault.


  

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BB, DP, Implosion, MHeal and Energy Drain are your staples at endgame. Your services as a healer shouldn't be required until level 12-15 depending on how self-sufficient the people you're running with are. Until that time enjoy unloading your blue bar and try to beat the melees in kill count.
  
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green00_00 wrote on Jan 14th, 2012 at 5:45pm:


No one is mad little one.  Though you might be quite sad to find out your little build is shit. 

« Last Edit: Jan 15th, 2012 at 2:09am by Epoch »  

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Epoch wrote on Jan 15th, 2012 at 2:08am:
No one is mad little one.  Though you might be quite sad to find out your little build is shit. 



« Last Edit: Jan 15th, 2012 at 3:22am by green00_00 »  

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green00_00 wrote on Jan 15th, 2012 at 3:22am:

Well okay.  Now it looks like someone's mad.
  

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Grace wrote on Jan 16th, 2012 at 2:22am:
You know, there are really very few people that manage to use the "image as answer" in a post and do it well. I can count on one hand the people I've seen do it right.

This generally occurs to me when I see people doing it badly.


  

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