So, I decided to pony up for some more character slots during this weeks sale, and now I need some ideas for what to fill them with. So far, I have

Gilgamech Wulfenbash - craftingbot Arti, not at all fun for me to play
Wyllywyl Moonmind - Currently camped at level 1 wizard, I found playing a sorc at cap a lot of fun but felt my DCs/Spell Pen lacking so I'm going for a wizard life.
Jial Heterodyne - Pally gimp. A lot of fun for me to play, I much prefer running a Paladin compared to one of the less self-sufficient melees. Being WF means being immune to everything except blindness and curses, which is always nice.
Flarewing - 2nd life Cleric, healbot/caster focus. Fun for leveling, and fun at cap so long as I'm not dealing with morons.

Things I find fun:
Self sufficiency, both in terms of healing and buffs.
Complex Melee - I don't like the idea of my battle plan being "stand next to target, auto-attack."
Reasonably cheap to gear to competence. Meaning, I don't want to run a build if it's going to be boring/gimp until I find an eSoS.
Generally capable. A halfling monk shuriken specialist might be fun to play, but I still like seeing big numbers.

With the enhancement changes coming up, I know that planning builds for the future is nigh impossible. However, it does lead to some interestig ideas, using some of the dev hints/comments we've been given so far.

What I'm thinking might be fun for me:
TWF Human Paladin with Radiant Servant (MF said that the racial PrE for humans can be anything).  I'm thinking HotD+Human healing amp and the RS aura could make for an interesting combination.
HElf Monk, cleric dil. I'm not so sure about this one. I've heard good things, but all of my attempts at playing a monk end up failing at or before level 10.
FvS. These sound like a lot of fun to play at cap, but like Monk I loathe leveling them, especially compared to a Cleric - there are just too many spells useful at low levels. Definitely wouldn't go melee though, because it would end up being one of "not good until X gear is found" builds. The idea of a maximum constitution FvS is both intriguing and troubling.

I'm not really sure what to go with beyond that. With the three slots I just bought, I now have 6 open.

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My current fvs is casting spec'd.  Before I tr'd him the last couple of times, I was full on raid heal specc'd.  Max con, Max cha, level ups into con.  Was a lot of fun being able to essentially solo heal almost any raid without using pots, but ended up being kinda useless otherwise.

The max con version looks kinda interesting.  That's basically the build of the guy that posted the epic dq run with no pots, yeah?

monk is going to be tough if you dont like grinding out gear.  of all my toons, ive found monk to be the most gear intensive.  especially those damn ToD rings.  half your dps is tied up in those fuckers.  they are a lot of fun to play though, and i would recommend rolling one.

bard warchanter with some type of a splash.  you get the full gamut of arcane buffs, songs, self healing, and umd. 

WF STR based FVS aka the soul survivor.  yeah i know, epsuck is probably gonna follow me over into this thread too and talk about how the build blows, but its pretty awesome imo.  its incredibly self sufficient and has solid melee dps.  if you like zerging or soloing, this build is for you.

green00_00 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 12:00am:


Soul survivor is horrid, and limits the natural potential of a fvs.  Soul survivor builds should be taken to a scrap heap.

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SS is alright, its just a lot more boring imo.  i have a heal/CC spec'd bard and he's next on the docket to be TR'd into a WC.  he has no melee dps whatsoever.  like i just tax my own SP attempting to melee as i take way more damage getting hit than i do putting out.  i mean, i guess you could build a SS with melee capabilities, but ive always seen SS as more in line with casters, and WC more in line with melee.

so essentially its just dance, holds, spot heals, fascinate, and buff bot.  the lack of mass holds i find rather frustrating too.  i guess its alright for a change of pace and is pretty good for party support, particularly with a group of casters, but my god is it boring!  the zerger in me cant take it.


Epoch wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 2:21am:


aka preference and build goals.  thats like saying monks should not focus on DPSing because it ruins their natural potential to stun and CC.

I do like high mobility. I'd be more interested in a Barb or a Ranger for their run speeds if I didn't hate the classes themselves so much.

At the moment, I'm thinking one slot will go with a monk, and one slot will go with an FvS. However, I'm probably not going to roll the FvS until much later so I can see what the new enhancement system is like. I want to be able to decide between WF for SD, or Human for RS.

I'm not so sure about the bard warchanter. How would a TWF WC work out race/feat wise? I'm thinking either khopesh or rapier focus (the challenge rapiers/khops are pretty hot, and the elyd edge would be a nice swap in).

green00_00 wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 3:04am:


Uhh, focusing on DPS doesn't hamper those abilities.  Might want to rethink that.

Epoch wrote on Jan 15^th, 2012 at 3:09pm:

Probably.

If we had a difference of opinion, let's leave it at that as neither of us will change our own.

If we agreed, well...

halfling ninja assasin pure monk finesse build and unbalancing strike

human pale master savant

w/f fvs defender

human kensai beserker

not sure which of these builds i'll like the most, but i'm going to have fun figuring it out.

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Perhaps, but it doesn't last very long at all. I'll look into it more at cap after I pick up Toven's.


I fit in Monk Heal Amp just fine on Dukkha, with ToD, though I did drop Void 4. Too much AP for not very much payoff.

I think I've got the bard figured out.

18/2 bard/fighter Half Elf
str 18
dex 15
con 14
int 8
wis 8
cha 10

Feats: Power Attack, IC:Slash, TWF, ITWF, GTWF, OTWF (or possibly extend), Toughness, WF:Slash, EWP:Khopesh.

Now I just need to figure out the order of the feats/class levels.

Edit: will be going for rogue dil.

1 - TWF
2(Fighter) - EWP:Khopesh
3 - WF:Slash
6(Fighter) - Power Attack, Toughness
9 - ITWF
12 - IC:Slash
15 - GTWF
18 - OTWF or Extend