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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Release Date update 13 Reply #50 - Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 5:44am	Print Post
	furbyoats wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 5:26am: Then it would free up enhancement points...more damage? Except you need Wiz int 3 for the pre's.....

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Auran Stormreaver Piker Offline www.drama.yourserver .ok? Posts: 668 Joined: Jan 26^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Release Date update 13 Reply #51 - Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 7:12am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 5:44am: Except you need Wiz int 3 for the pre's..... Should be Human then.

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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Release Date update 13 Reply #52 - Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 7:36am	Print Post
	Auran wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 7:12am: Should be Human then. No thanks. Being human doesn't grant any advantage over drow. In fact, it is a disadvantage. Why you may ask? Because you have to spend 2 ap to make that +4 tome equal to what a drow gets naturally. Which is retarded. Thanks for playing!

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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popejubal Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline fnord Posts: 6364 Location: Argo Joined: Aug 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Release Date update 13 Reply #53 - Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 7:42am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 7:36am: No thanks.� Being human doesn't grant any advantage over drow.� In fact, it is a disadvantage.� Why you may ask? Because you have to spend 2 ap to make that +4 tome equal to what a drow gets naturally.� Which is retarded.� Thanks for playing! I don't mind spending 2 AP to get 20 HP and a free feat.

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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Release Date update 13 Reply #54 - Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 7:57am	Print Post
	popejubal wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 7:42am: I don't mind spending 2 AP to get 20 HP and a free feat. If you need more feats on a wizard, or more HP on a palemaster, you are doing it wrong. That free feat, toughness?, and 2 ap to become equivalent to a drow - if you have a +4 int tome - and 20 hp from the 2 extra con isn't even worth the SR a drow gets. Palemasters do not have HP problems. So meh to your HP.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Landar Waterworks Kobold Offline Cannith Crystal Epic! Posts: 175 Location: Tennessee Joined: Aug 30^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Release Date update 13 Reply #55 - Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 8:32am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 7:57am: If you need more feats on a wizard, or more HP on a palemaster, you are doing it wrong.� That free feat, toughness?, and 2 ap to become equivalent to a drow - if you have a +4 int tome - and 20 hp from the 2 extra con isn't even worth the SR a drow gets.� Palemasters do not have HP problems.� So meh to your HP.� You need Toughness for Lich form, so I'd hope that isn't your "spare" feat. Perhaps it'd be the difference between Insightful Reflexes or not?

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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Release Date update 13 Reply #56 - Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 8:43am	Print Post
	Landar wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 8:32am: You need Toughness for Lich form, so I'd hope that isn't your "spare" feat.� Perhaps it'd be the difference between Insightful Reflexes or not? Seeing as you can grab both on a non human, whatever your point is, it is invalid. Did you know you can grab toughness more then once? Mind boggling isn't?

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Landar Waterworks Kobold Offline Cannith Crystal Epic! Posts: 175 Location: Tennessee Joined: Aug 30^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Release Date update 13 Reply #57 - Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 9:39am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 8:43am: Seeing as you can grab both on a non human, whatever your point is, it is invalid. Did you know you can grab toughness more then once? Mind boggling isn't? Maybe that's why I used the word "Perhaps"? Damn dude, chill. It's too early for this bullshit.

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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Release Date update 13 Reply #58 - Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 9:57am	Print Post
	Landar wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 9:39am: Maybe that's why I used the word "Perhaps"?� Damn dude, chill.� It's too early for this bullshit. All I read was an excuse for making a retarded comment.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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popejubal Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline fnord Posts: 6364 Location: Argo Joined: Aug 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Release Date update 13 Reply #59 - Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 10:06am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 7:57am: If you need more feats on a wizard, or more HP on a palemaster, you are doing it wrong.� That free feat, toughness?, and 2 ap to become equivalent to a drow - if you have a +4 int tome - and 20 hp from the 2 extra con isn't even worth the SR a drow gets.� Palemasters do not have HP problems.� So meh to your HP.� Toughness Insightful Reflexes active Past Life: Wizard Spell Focus: Something (Necro for a PM) Greater Spell Focus: Something Spell Penetration Greater Spell Penetration Heighten Maximise Quicken Extend (I really like Extend on a Pale Master) Spell Focus: Something Else (probably Conjuration at this point) Greater Spell Focus: Something Else That's 13 feats which I'd like to take, not even counting a possible Mental Toughness that might be necessary to add Archmage enhancements to the Pale Master line (depending on how the enhancement rework turns out this summer). I could drop some of those feats, but is there any feat on that list that you wouldn't be willing to spend 2 AP for?

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Hi Welcome King of Trolls Offline Drama chips... now in Argonnessen Apple flavor! Posts: 2759 Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Release Date update 13 Reply #60 - Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 10:07am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 7:57am: If you need more feats on a wizard, or more HP on a palemaster, you are doing it wrong.� That free feat, toughness?, and 2 ap to become equivalent to a drow - if you have a +4 int tome - and 20 hp from the 2 extra con isn't even worth the SR a drow gets.� Palemasters do not have HP problems.� So meh to your HP.� Who are you, and what have you done with Epoch?

	� �� Epoch wrote on Mar 14^th, 2012 at 5:15am: When people bring in their personal lives, it is all fair game.� This board promotes trolling.� If you bring something up, expect it to be used against you at a later date if not immediately.� You want to bring up personal shit, well, that is your problem. Eladiun wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 1:46pm: If one fails to understand the nuances of elite level trolling they would falsely interpret posts meant to fan the flames as support.
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Release Date update 13 Reply #61 - Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 10:14am	Print Post
	popejubal wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 10:06am: Toughness Insightful Reflexes active Past Life: Wizard Spell Focus: Something (Necro for a PM) Greater Spell Focus: Something Spell Penetration Greater Spell Penetration Heighten Maximise Quicken Extend (I really like Extend on a Pale Master) Spell Focus: Something Else (probably Conjuration at this point) Greater Spell Focus: Something Else That's 13 feats which I'd like to take, not even counting a possible Mental Toughness that might be necessary to add Archmage enhancements to the Pale Master line (depending on how the enhancement rework turns out this summer).� I could drop some of those feats, but is there any feat on that list that you wouldn't be willing to spend 2 AP for? May I ask why you are wasting feats on spell pen? You tr'ed once, may as well do it two more times. Then just grab one spell pen feat and you have more spell pen then you know what to do with. I would also trade out the 2nd greater spell focus for empower.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Release Date update 13 Reply #62 - Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 10:21am	Print Post
	Hi Welcome wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 10:07am: Who are you, and what have you done with Epoch? Wizards are OP. Human has no real benefit over drow. They are comparable with a +4 int tome - but without it they are inferior. I would rather increase my damage by a few percent then grab a feat that will have no true effect.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Hi Welcome King of Trolls Offline Drama chips... now in Argonnessen Apple flavor! Posts: 2759 Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Release Date update 13 Reply #63 - Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 10:23am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 10:21am: Wizards are OP.� Human has no real benefit over drow.� They are comparable with a +4 int tome - but without it they are inferior.� I would rather increase my damage by a few percent then grab a feat that will have no true effect. I was mainly referring to the part where you called less SR than a spell gives a good feature.

	� �� Epoch wrote on Mar 14^th, 2012 at 5:15am: When people bring in their personal lives, it is all fair game.� This board promotes trolling.� If you bring something up, expect it to be used against you at a later date if not immediately.� You want to bring up personal shit, well, that is your problem. Eladiun wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 1:46pm: If one fails to understand the nuances of elite level trolling they would falsely interpret posts meant to fan the flames as support.
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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Release Date update 13 Reply #64 - Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 10:34am	Print Post
	Gamespot presents their tour of Update 13, which launches next Monday February 27th. Check it out! http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=362895

	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Release Date update 13 Reply #65 - Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 10:41am	Print Post
	Hi Welcome wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 10:23am: I was mainly referring to the part where you called less SR than a spell gives a good feature. Oh, I was using that as a reference point. Epoch wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 7:57am: isn't even worth the SR a drow gets. I never said it was good, I just said it was better. Something that has no benefit is better then that alternative.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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tico Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 142 Location: Memphis Joined: Jun 15^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Release Date update 13 Reply #66 - Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 10:42am	Print Post
	In case you haven't seen it yet, MMORPG.com has a nice preview of Update 13 We recently spent some time with the folks at Turbine to get a closer look at the update, which launches next Monday, February 27th.

	Come on folks its easy
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TheMustache Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 137 Joined: Feb 19^th, 2012	Re: Release Date update 13 Reply #67 - Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 10:49am	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 10:34am: Gamespot presents their tour of Update 13, which launches next Monday February 27th. Check it out! http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=362895 Finally they announced it.


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popejubal Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline fnord Posts: 6364 Location: Argo Joined: Aug 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Release Date update 13 Reply #68 - Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 10:52am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 10:14am: May I ask why you are wasting feats on spell pen? You tr'ed once, may as well do it two more times.� Then just grab one spell pen feat and you have more spell pen then you know what to do with. I would also trade out the 2nd greater spell focus for empower. I'm going to hit my second TR (third life total) on my Wizard next week (once the first few brave souls TR on Monday and demonstrate whether or not reincarnation got fucked up in the update). As long as the second TR isn't too onerous, I might pick even up a Cleric life or two. ...and I'll still take at least the first Spell Penetration feat. Enemies with spell resistance are going to be more common in the upcoming updates and their SR is going to be higher than the spell resistance enemies that we face today (just because they'll be higher level). I'm not going to go with a high elf for their Spell Penetration enhancements, but if I have to choose between +1 DC from hitting an even number Int on Drow or getting +2 Spell Penetration on a Human, I'd probably pick Human. Add in the fact that a Human will often have the same Int modifier as a Drow and that's even more reason for me to like Humans. I actually made my Pale Master as a Warforged because I wanted the versatility more than I wanted the raw power. In most quests, I run around in lich form, but there are a reasonable number of quests and raids where I'd much rather be a toaster than a lich. I get the best of both worlds. Like Miley Cyrus. Also, I'm not sure how I left out Empower. I do consider that one of the "must have" feats.

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BoBoBo Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 38 Location: Sarlona Joined: Aug 18^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Release Date update 13 Reply #69 - Feb 24^th, 2012 at 8:51am	Print Post
	popejubal wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 10:06am: Toughness Insightful Reflexes active Past Life: Wizard Spell Focus: Something (Necro for a PM) Greater Spell Focus: Something Spell Penetration Greater Spell Penetration Heighten Maximise Quicken Extend (I really like Extend on a Pale Master) Spell Focus: Something Else (probably Conjuration at this point) Greater Spell Focus: Something Else That's 13 feats which I'd like to take, not even counting a possible Mental Toughness that might be necessary to add Archmage enhancements to the Pale Master line (depending on how the enhancement rework turns out this summer).� I could drop some of those feats, but is there any feat on that list that you wouldn't be willing to spend 2 AP for? You might substitute in shield proficiency/mastery here if you want to be truly immortal.
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Release Date update 13 Reply #70 - Feb 24^th, 2012 at 9:06am	Print Post
	If you are going to be one of those retarded shield wearing wizards, I would go human. Congrats, you found an exception.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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BoBoBo Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 38 Location: Sarlona Joined: Aug 18^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Release Date update 13 Reply #71 - Feb 24^th, 2012 at 10:04am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 9:06am: If you are going to be one of those retarded shield wearing wizards, I would go human.� Congrats, you found an exception. Torc/Conc Opp/Mabar Robe/LHBB/Death aura and Shield Mastery (w/ Light & Darkness, mithral crafted or epic Kundarak's) = Insane


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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Release Date update 13 Reply #72 - Feb 24^th, 2012 at 10:15am	Print Post
	BoBoBo wrote on Feb 24^th, 2012 at 10:04am: Torc/Conc Opp/Mabar Robe/LHBB/Death aura and Shield Mastery (w/ Light & Darkness, mithral crafted or epic Kundarak's) = Insane So is peeing after a gallon of water.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Madcow430 Shroud Slacker Offline I have Mad Cow Disease Posts: 1207 Location: Arizona Joined: Jul 4^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Release Date update 13 Reply #73 - Feb 24^th, 2012 at 10:24am	Print Post
	popejubal wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2012 at 10:52am: I'm going to hit my second TR (third life total) on my Wizard next week (once the first few brave souls TR on Monday and demonstrate whether or not reincarnation got fucked up in the update).� As long as the second TR isn't too onerous, I might pick even up a Cleric life or two. ...and I'll still take at least the first Spell Penetration feat. Enemies with spell resistance are going to be more common in the upcoming updates and their SR is going to be higher than the spell resistance enemies that we face today (just because they'll be higher level).� I'm not going to go with a high elf for their Spell Penetration enhancements, but if I have to choose between +1 DC from hitting an even number Int on Drow or getting +2 Spell Penetration on a Human, I'd probably pick Human.� Add in the fact that a Human will often have the same Int modifier as a Drow and that's even more reason for me to like Humans. I actually made my Pale Master as a Warforged because I wanted the versatility more than I wanted the raw power.� In most quests, I run around in lich form, but there are a reasonable number of quests and raids where I'd much rather be a toaster than a lich.� I get the best of both worlds.� Like Miley Cyrus. Also, I'm not sure how I left out Empower.� I do consider that one of the "must have" feats. It's the multiple past lives that allow you the room to not have to take more feats than you have room for. Wiz/Fvs - Spell Pen Sorc - Evocation DC Cleric - Conjuration DC Bard - Enchantment DC but still costs a feat. Depending on your gear setup, what tomes you have available, and specialty you can save burning feats with passive past life feats.


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