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Mar 3rd, 2012 at 8:53pm
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Moderately self-healing
Khopesh (got a bunch lying around)
Reasonably not gimp
Fun to play
Preferably not human or helf (got enough of those).

At first I was toying with a HOrc 18rgr/2brb, before I realized that the feats just don't work. Toyed with going 15/3 and 2 fighter levels, but I was approaching the point of excessive multiclassing that tends to bring leveling problems (and possible gimpiness once MOTU hits). I'm currently thinking about a fighter halfling with dragonmarks, maybe with a 2 monk splash? Might go rogue instead, monk only makes sense for in between fights swapping out the khopeshes to use fire stance/jidz with one of the dragonmarks. Rogue UMD is always nice.

Thoughts? Any preferable TWF characters? I'm trying to veer clear of paladins, since I've already got a couple and I'm sick of making so many feat sacrifices. Pure ranger might make sense, but I'd need to go human to fit in khopesh proficiency, and I'm getting kinda tired of playing so many humans/helfs.
  
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Reply #1 - Mar 3rd, 2012 at 9:16pm
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look up junk's meathelmet build, think it meets your specs
  

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Reply #2 - Mar 3rd, 2012 at 9:19pm
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Requirements:
Moderately self-healing
Khopesh (got a bunch lying around)
Reasonably not gimp
Fun to play
Preferably not human or helf (got enough of those).

At first I was toying with a HOrc 18rgr/2brb, before I realized that the feats just don't work. Toyed with going 15/3 and 2 fighter levels, but I was approaching the point of excessive multiclassing that tends to bring leveling problems (and possible gimpiness once MOTU hits). I'm currently thinking about a fighter halfling with dragonmarks, maybe with a 2 monk splash? Might go rogue instead, monk only makes sense for in between fights swapping out the khopeshes to use fire stance/jidz with one of the dragonmarks. Rogue UMD is always nice.

Thoughts? Any preferable TWF characters? I'm trying to veer clear of paladins, since I've already got a couple and I'm sick of making so many feat sacrifices. Pure ranger might make sense, but I'd need to go human to fit in khopesh proficiency, and I'm getting kinda tired of playing so many humans/helfs.


The last go around I did with my twf'ing dwarf was 18/2 Ranger/Fighter. 
The fighter levels gave me enough feats to fit in the quicken/maximize line, and it was a definite life saver on occasion.  You wouldn't want to try and be a main healer that way, but it basically gave me the equivalent of 10-12 lay on hands.

It'd be hard to fit the khopesh feat in that way however, since you said you were trying to avoid another human build.
  

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Reply #3 - Mar 3rd, 2012 at 9:39pm
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Invelios wrote on Mar 3rd, 2012 at 9:16pm:
look up junk's meathelmet build, think it meets your specs


It does look like fun, but not what I'm looking for. Being human isn't a deal breaker, but I'm trying to avoid deep splashing in anticipation of MOTU and I don't feel like building another tank based melee.

Osharan Tregarth wrote on Mar 3rd, 2012 at 9:19pm:
The last go around I did with my twf'ing dwarf was 18/2 Ranger/Fighter. 
The fighter levels gave me enough feats to fit in the quicken/maximize line, and it was a definite life saver on occasion.  You wouldn't want to try and be a main healer that way, but it basically gave me the equivalent of 10-12 lay on hands.

It'd be hard to fit the khopesh feat in that way however, since you said you were trying to avoid another human build.


Yeah, I went through that whole thought process as I was contemplating the HOrc ranger. Dumping quicken would probably not be that big of a deal, but... Meh. I've never been all that crazy about rangers anyway, tbh.
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 3rd, 2012 at 11:31pm
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Monster build. SF Pots.

ETA:If you wish, you can forgo the 2 monk levels and instead do 2 Rogue levels for full UMD, although 2 monk and a high AC will mitigate most damage, while high heal amp from going Human/HElf will allow wand whipping to work quite well.
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Reply #5 - Mar 4th, 2012 at 2:41am
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Monster's a good one.

How about a 13rog/7mnk split. Assassin II Ninja I? 3 Monk feats, and monk healing amp. Wand and Scroll Mastery and full UMD for healing? Halfling works for Cunning/Guile boosts to SA.

Toughness, PA, Dodge for your monk feats.

TWF, ITWF, GTWF, IC, Khopesh, and you still got two feats to pick.

Not sure if that'd be gimp though because all my toons are inherently gimp the moment I sit down.
  

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Reply #6 - Mar 4th, 2012 at 10:56am
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Monster build?  Good luck getting any fucking AC on that.
  

                                                                      
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Reply #7 - Mar 4th, 2012 at 2:59pm
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Maxwell Edison wrote on Mar 4th, 2012 at 10:56am:
Monster build?  Good luck getting any fucking AC on that.


But it's so ubarz.
  
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Reply #8 - Mar 4th, 2012 at 7:40pm
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I'm kinda baffled by what you want. TWF with khopesh, but you want some self-healing, but you don't really like rangers...what do you want?
  

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Reply #9 - Mar 4th, 2012 at 8:12pm
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Grace wrote on Mar 4th, 2012 at 7:40pm:
I'm kinda baffled by what you want. TWF with khopesh, but you want some self-healing, but you don't really like rangers...what do you want?


If I knew the answer to that, I wouldn't have made the thread Tongue

Mostly looking for input on what other people find fun. All of my other melee have been THF, so I have no idea what I should be looking for.

At the moment, I am tending to lean towards either a HOrc ranger with 2 fighter splash or a dragonmarked halfling fighter with 2 rogue splash. Alternatively, I've been considering making a HotD once MotU hits, and I could level it up now and just LR it later.
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 4th, 2012 at 11:24pm
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If I knew the answer to that, I wouldn't have made the thread Tongue

Mostly looking for input on what other people find fun. All of my other melee have been THF, so I have no idea what I should be looking for.

At the moment, I am tending to lean towards either a HOrc ranger with 2 fighter splash or a dragonmarked halfling fighter with 2 rogue splash. Alternatively, I've been considering making a HotD once MotU hits, and I could level it up now and just LR it later.


The halfling dragonmarks are almost totally useless without being able to fit in a metamagic feat to give them enough ooomph to heal up an end game character.
  

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Reply #11 - Mar 5th, 2012 at 2:37am
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Here is what you do.

1. Make a WF sorc. 
2. Make Khopesh spell damage clickies. 
3. ???
4. Profit.
  

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Reply #12 - Mar 5th, 2012 at 11:38am
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Requirements:
Moderately self-healing
Khopesh (got a bunch lying around)
Reasonably not gimp
Fun to play
Preferably not human or helf (got enough of those).


See . . . Humans and helfs are the master races right now regarding TWFing.  Excluding them is problematic.

The Damage boost from HV and haste-boost right now is just so good and 99% of the fights we have these days are short enough that you'll have enough boosts to rip things to shreds.

Also goes along with "moderately self hjealing" . . . racial healing amp of human/helf is huge in this regard.   If you're healing yourself with lesser spells (like a ranger/bard's CSW) and heal-scrolls healing amp pays off greatly.  My pally and ranger can both CSW for 200-250 and this just wouldn't happen without the racial healing amp they get from being human.

Helves angel is good, Monster build but helf is good as well.  Cleric Dilly until you can get either Silver Flame or enough real UMD for hjeal-scrolls then switch to rogue dilly for high DPS.

The "Blender" build is also good for this, Fighter 12/rogue 7/Monk 1.  Human as a dilly doesn't do much for you.

From what was leaked in the ENH thread it looks like rangers are getting some love, who knows Tempest III might be good again.

Don't forget pure rogues, you can put out a stupid amount of damage even with the forts all getting increased.  Human again is the best race as the HV damage boosts also affect sneak attack. Assassination is also ubber.

But honestly  Silver Flame pots as so brokenly over-powered that ANYTHING can be self-sufficient with 400 Silverflame favor.  Fighter 20, barb, 20, don't matter.  I don't like having them as my only means of healing as the 50% reduction in movement speed has lead to them getting me killed more often than saving my ass but they are great when you have no other options.

it's a question of what is the most fun for you, there are many good options.
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Reply #13 - Mar 6th, 2012 at 12:48pm
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Have you thought about an exploiter (18 ranger/1 rogue/1 monk)?  I love mine.  Khopesh wielder and she can use hjeal scrolls as well as getting all traps up to elite.  I haven't attempted being an epic trapper, so I can't speak to that.  Nice AC, self buffing and totally self sufficient and deals out nice damage.  I know that exploiter is so 2 years ago, but thought I would bring it up since it does all the things you're looking for and you can play with around with what race you want it to be as you don't need to be human to make it viable.
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Reply #14 - Mar 6th, 2012 at 1:00pm
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Have you thought about an exploiter (18 ranger/1 rogue/1 monk)?  I love mine.  Khopesh wielder and she can use hjeal scrolls as well as getting all traps up to elite.  I haven't attempted being an epic trapper, so I can't speak to that.  Nice AC, self buffing and totally self sufficient and deals out nice damage.  I know that exploiter is so 2 years ago, but thought I would bring it up since it does all the things you're looking for and you can play with around with what race you want it to be as you don't need to be human to make it viable.


I was doing the traps in epic chains of flames on my (now kinda shelved) exploiter.  However, it was an ac halfling build, and I'd needed to go for a 16 starting int to get all the skills I needed plus intimidate.  So it's not something I'd recommend for current content.
  

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Reply #15 - Mar 6th, 2012 at 1:25pm
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Have you thought about an exploiter (18 ranger/1 rogue/1 monk)?  I love mine.  Khopesh wielder and she can use hjeal scrolls as well as getting all traps up to elite.  I haven't attempted being an epic trapper, so I can't speak to that.  Nice AC, self buffing and totally self sufficient and deals out nice damage.  I know that exploiter is so 2 years ago, but thought I would bring it up since it does all the things you're looking for and you can play with around with what race you want it to be as you don't need to be human to make it viable.


You absolutely can get Epic traps on an Exploiter with the right gear.  I have  DT robe with +3 INT Skills and the Epic Time sensing goggles, the +20 Search/spot were a game-changer.

Most of the ones i've run with have dropped Combat Expertise for maximize, with amp and ardor pots you can get 200-250 point CSWs which add a hell of a lot to its survivability in content where it's AC don't work.

Human is still the best race for this as that extra feat makes the build, either not having Khopesh or a healing meta-magic would be kinda meh.

The damage is not as good as my fighter when he was a Kensai nor will it be as good as the combo-builds mentioned above . . . but the self-buffing, self-healing, and trap skills more than make up for it.  It's also a very EASY toon to level.
  
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Reply #16 - Mar 6th, 2012 at 2:07pm
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Yah my exploiter has the same Int skills DT as well as epic Time Sensing Goggles.  When I've run epics with her, there was always someone more qualified to be trapper and I didn't want to jack shit up.  Grin
  
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Reply #17 - Mar 6th, 2012 at 4:06pm
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Yah my exploiter has the same Int skills DT as well as epic Time Sensing Goggles.  When I've run epics with her, there was always someone more qualified to be trapper and I didn't want to jack shit up.  Grin


You do it so well though. <3
  
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Reply #18 - Mar 6th, 2012 at 8:48pm
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Maybe not what you want, but it is what I am currently running my Pally as.

14/4/2 Pally Fighter Monk

Pally for self healing, DoS2, DF, Zeal, resists etc.

Fighter for 3 feats, haste boost2

Monk for even more feats, evasion.

I am running it without ac, mainly as my fun DPS for Epic. HV4+ HB2 is pretty decent.
13 Feats lets me fit in Max, Extend, Quicken, OTWF.

Self buff To Hit maxes at +58 with Khopesh when using Epic Specs and EGoMF+ fens goggles.

It kites meteor throwing reavers, tanks with shield mastery, head hunts casters etc.
48str, +39ref save, 800+hp tanking etc.

It's fun, survivable and can get back to 18/2 with +5 Heart of Wood. Which I am doing soon.

Anyway just another idea. Most melee that have haste boost + HV+khopesh are going to be decent DPS with boosts active I think (given the usual DPS feats).
  

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