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Xenostrata Ex Member	Re: THF info for feats. Reply #25 - Mar 13^th, 2012 at 5:16pm	Print Post
	Maxwell Edison wrote on Mar 13^th, 2012 at 3:44pm: How many do you need on a full BAB class?� Are you a finesse halfling pally or just a whiner? Neither. My Paladin is fine, thanks for your concern


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Gawna Ex Member	Re: THF info for feats. Reply #26 - Mar 13^th, 2012 at 5:43pm	Print Post
	Maxwell Edison wrote on Mar 13^th, 2012 at 3:44pm: How many do you need on a full BAB class?� Are you a finesse halfling pally or just a whiner? He went all Int for MOAR SKILL POINTS! Who needs to hit shit when you can swim really fast?


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Maxwell Edison Bailiff Offline HADOUKEN! Posts: 3142 Location: Bologna Joined: Jul 13^th, 2011	Re: THF info for feats. Reply #27 - Mar 13^th, 2012 at 5:44pm	Print Post
	I'll tell ya who doesn't, Aquaman.

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Gawna Ex Member	Re: THF info for feats. Reply #28 - Mar 13^th, 2012 at 5:51pm	Print Post
	Pwned.


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Aqualung Ex Member	Re: THF info for feats. Reply #29 - Mar 13^th, 2012 at 7:04pm	Print Post
	Maxwell Edison wrote on Mar 13^th, 2012 at 5:44pm: I'll tell ya who doesn't, Aquaman. WIMP! I disowned him.


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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: THF info for feats. Reply #30 - Mar 14^th, 2012 at 3:59am	Print Post
	So, let me get this straight Xeno. Paladins have a hard time hitting stuff. Even though they have a full BAB, diving might, divine favor, and str at creation is typically one maybe two points lower then other melees. I don't know what kind of paladins you run with, but I bet involves like 3 sorc levels for sp and 5 wizard for haste. If a pally has to-hit issues, the creators of DDO have this wonderful option at character select screen. A button you can click that says "delete". Try it sometime. Does wonders.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: THF info for feats. Reply #31 - Mar 14^th, 2012 at 3:59am	Print Post
	Quote: He got tole!� And who gets tole? Bitches get Tole!

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Xenostrata Ex Member	Re: THF info for feats. Reply #32 - Mar 14^th, 2012 at 2:44pm	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Mar 14^th, 2012 at 3:59am: So, let me get this straight Xeno.� Paladins have a hard time hitting stuff.� Even though they have a full BAB, diving might, divine favor, and str at creation is typically one maybe two points lower then other melees.� I don't know what kind of paladins you run with, but I bet involves like 3 sorc levels for sp and 5 wizard for haste. Divine Might doesn't boost to-hit, iirc. All I was saying was that if it was a first life build without immediate access to twink raid gear/crafting, it might have issues against high AC targets like eMalicia/eVoN djinn, since twitching drops your average attack roll by 7-8 points. Less of a problem on fighters or barbs, since they get class abilities for ~5ish higher attack than paladins. Quote: If a pally has to-hit issues, the creators of DDO have this wonderful option at character select screen.� A button you can click that says "delete".� Try it sometime.� Does wonders. I think there's a quote somewhere around here about rage deletes.


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kum-gulp VoD Slasher Offline I Love Tired Vault Memes! Posts: 1812 Joined: Jul 16^th, 2010	Re: THF info for feats. Reply #33 - Mar 14^th, 2012 at 4:18pm	Print Post
	Divine Favour does add to to-hit.


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Xenostrata Ex Member	Re: THF info for feats. Reply #34 - Mar 14^th, 2012 at 4:23pm	Print Post
	kum-gulp wrote on Mar 14^th, 2012 at 4:18pm: Divine Favour does add to to-hit. Yes. And?


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kum-gulp VoD Slasher Offline I Love Tired Vault Memes! Posts: 1812 Joined: Jul 16^th, 2010	Re: THF info for feats. Reply #35 - Mar 14^th, 2012 at 4:25pm	Print Post
	And hello!


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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: THF info for feats. Reply #36 - Mar 15^th, 2012 at 4:25am	Print Post
	I forgot divine strength was a gimp form of the fighter str boost. Either way, thanks for ignoring the point.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Felgor Shroud Slacker Offline Go Fuck Yourself Posts: 1011 Joined: Jun 25^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: THF info for feats. Reply #37 - Mar 18^th, 2012 at 6:22pm	Print Post
	The point is, Paladins do have to hit issues compared to a Kensai or Barbarian. The less self healing you have the better you can get the to hit - but then why build a Pally. Barb or Fighter with SF pots. Of course, any excuse to rip on someone is ok around here. Divine Might doesn't add to to-hit. Divine Favour is +3/+3. Sure, if you go max str, abishai set and rock a 46 or 48 str and an Esos, the to hit is pretty good and even great if you use Ravens Sight set and +4 attack bonus somewhere. I've always used Destruction on DT too in Epics. The average Pally without an esos and twitching is going to have to hit issues though.

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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: THF info for feats. Reply #38 - Mar 19^th, 2012 at 3:06am	Print Post
	Felgor wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 6:22pm: The point is, Paladins do have to hit issues compared to a Kensai or Barbarian. The less self healing you have the better you can get the to hit - but then why build a Pally. Barb or Fighter with SF pots. Of course, any excuse to rip on someone is ok around here. Divine Might doesn't add to to-hit. Divine Favour is +3/+3. Sure, if you go max str, abishai set and rock a 46 or 48 str and an Esos, the to hit is pretty good and even great if you use Ravens Sight set and +4 attack bonus somewhere. I've always used Destruction on DT too in Epics. The average Pally without an esos and twitching is going to have to hit issues though. I hope you never give build advice. It is people like you that promote bad builds and cause me to rage in quests. Do you play a bard in DRB on khyber?

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Felgor Shroud Slacker Offline Go Fuck Yourself Posts: 1011 Joined: Jun 25^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: THF info for feats. Reply #39 - Mar 19^th, 2012 at 3:16am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Mar 19^th, 2012 at 3:06am: I hope you never give build advice.� It is people like you that promote bad builds and cause me to rage in quests.� Do you play a bard in DRB on khyber? Great reply with an insult rather than proving me wrong. I regret letting Gawna give you channel info.

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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: THF info for feats. Reply #40 - Mar 20^th, 2012 at 4:19am	Print Post
	Felgor wrote on Mar 19^th, 2012 at 3:16am: Great reply with an insult rather than proving me wrong. I regret letting Gawna give you channel info. Funny, because I am still waiting for you to prove me wrong on how a THF paladin has a hard time hitting mobs. So you get your ass reamed and now you cry like a bitch. I can leave your channel if it will make your swollen asshole feel a little better. I could care less. I really only use it to troll blank_blaster from time to time anyways.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: THF info for feats. Reply #41 - Mar 20^th, 2012 at 4:23am	Print Post
	Just to be clear! My pally doesn't have an sos much less an esos. Any epic pieces on him whatsoever actually. I can hit everything in Echrono and Evon, and EDQ. Fuck, I will even throw in EITD for shits and giggles. So, while your continue crying like a bitch, how about you prove me wrong and stop talking like you play a dex build pally. Thanks! You should blame your parents.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Felgor Shroud Slacker Offline Go Fuck Yourself Posts: 1011 Joined: Jun 25^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: THF info for feats. Reply #42 - Mar 20^th, 2012 at 10:17am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Mar 20^th, 2012 at 4:19am: Funny, because I am still waiting for you to prove me wrong on how a THF paladin has a hard time hitting mobs.� So you get your ass reamed and now you cry like a bitch.� I can leave your channel if it will make your swollen asshole feel a little better.� I could care less.� I really only use it to troll blank_blaster from time to time anyways. Or maybe you could give me a breakdown of your to hit that has no issues in Epic with PA on and no Bard. I could easily list a breakdown that leaves out some of the harder to acquire gear but then we would be arguing what is an average geared Paladin. I don't even know if you have stacked the deck with KotC and Horc either...since you only mentioned raids with Evil Outsiders and a Dragon that is not hard to hit and 95% of the time is with bard songs anyway.

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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: THF info for feats. Reply #43 - Mar 20^th, 2012 at 10:49am	Print Post
	Felgor wrote on Mar 20^th, 2012 at 10:17am: Or maybe you could give me a breakdown of your to hit that has no issues in Epic with PA on and no Bard. I could easily list a breakdown that leaves out some of the harder to acquire gear but then we would be arguing what is an average geared Paladin. I don't even know if you have stacked the deck with KotC and Horc either...since you only mentioned raids with Evil Outsiders and a Dragon that is not hard to hit and 95% of the time is with bard songs anyway. Well now you are just asking me to be helpful. I will be logging in in a few hours. Of course I stacked the deck. I run around with fricking cloudburst unsupressed. Like I am going to hit up an ELOB.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Gawna Ex Member	Re: THF info for feats. Reply #44 - Mar 20^th, 2012 at 2:53pm	Print Post
	Felgor wrote on Mar 19^th, 2012 at 3:16am: Great reply with an insult rather than proving me wrong. I regret letting Gawna give you channel info. OMG it totally wasn't me! But I do lubs me some Epoch. Anyone who tells a DRB bard, "I know you're used to being fucking useless, but could you try to be less fucking useless JUST THIS ONE TIME?!" is ok in my book.


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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: THF info for feats. Reply #45 - Mar 21^st, 2012 at 3:50am	Print Post
	Oh yeah, I forgot about that part. It wasn't gawna that gave me the channel info. Anyways, back to the pally thing... My pally has a 37 to-hit before any buffs and with power attack on. This is a h-orc so maxed power attack. 37 base 04 gh 03 DP 03 TG 01 rage That is 48 without even trying. If I get some decent gear on him, a couple tod rings, even some shroud items, he will be rocking just fine.

	OnePercenter wrote on May 15^th, 2014 at 9:41am: I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.� #epochsfamiliarFTW Sim-Sala-Bim wrote on Jan 27^th, 2014 at 2:09am: It seems like Epoch never loses his popularity. Even against donuts.
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: THF info for feats. Reply #46 - Mar 21^st, 2012 at 8:29am	Print Post
	both full bab, check both got same items / raid buffs, check now that we've ruled that out. a to hit focused kensai probably has. superior weapon focus +3 kensai weapon mastery enhancement +2 power surge +4 (for ~8-10mins) Gotta go with epoch on this, a total difference of +9 then +5 seems like fuck all once you get lots of gear. for the building up period to hit requirements really aren't that bad either.
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Felgor Shroud Slacker Offline Go Fuck Yourself Posts: 1011 Joined: Jun 25^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: THF info for feats. Reply #47 - Mar 21^st, 2012 at 11:37am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Mar 21^st, 2012 at 3:50am: Oh yeah, I forgot about that part.� It wasn't gawna that gave me the channel info.� Anyways, back to the pally thing... My pally has a 37 to-hit before any buffs and with power attack on.� This is a h-orc so maxed power attack.� 37 base 04 gh 03 DP 03 TG 01 rage That is 48 without even trying.� If I get some decent gear on him, a couple tod rings, even some shroud items, he will be rocking just fine. From what I can see on myddo: 20 base 11 str (assume 13 with yugo and ship) 2 sora kel 4 gh 3 DF 1 rage 1 haste +5 weapon -8 PA +2 Ship = +43 +5 Tharnes (not sure what TG is at +3) = +48 without agro. I can't workout the breakdown for +37 to hit on login. 20 bab +5 weapon -8 PA +2 Kora Sel +2 Full plate of the defender +11 Str = +32 What am I missing? Decent but a Horc KotC fighting Evil Outsiders is the best case scenario. My Human TWF Pally never had issues in ToD, Echrono. Swapping to DoS and losing about 5 or 6 to hit makes a massive difference. Maybe I suck or my idea of an average Paladin is not a Horc KotC in EO content. Some people only play their Pallies in such content, so maybe it is average. Anyway I said the average Pally has to hit issues and more so with twitching. Do you really think your Paladin is the average? I don't see many Horc Pallies around.

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Felgor Shroud Slacker Offline Go Fuck Yourself Posts: 1011 Joined: Jun 25^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: THF info for feats. Reply #48 - Mar 21^st, 2012 at 11:39am	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Mar 21^st, 2012 at 8:29am: both full bab, check both got same items / raid buffs, check now that we've ruled that out. a to hit focused kensai probably has. superior weapon focus +3 kensai weapon mastery enhancement +2 power surge +4 (for ~8-10mins) Gotta go with epoch on this, a total difference of +9 then +5 seems like fuck all once you get lots of gear. for the building up period to hit requirements really aren't that bad either. +9 to hit is massive. It is more like +11 once you add in the fighter Str enhancements.

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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: THF info for feats. Reply #49 - Mar 21^st, 2012 at 4:48pm	Print Post
	any fighter that invests in all 3 tiers of fighter str has wasted ap. given how stupidly high our to hits get vs mob ac now. and the new changes to destruction / improved destruction. 11 to hit is nothing, esp since the highest ac mobs are the highest fort mobs and they should be debuffed accordingly. This conversation bores me, a geared out paladin with esos isn't missing shit in endgame. I know i have one.

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