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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	My shitty Pale master - feats? May 10^th, 2012 at 10:45am	Print Post
	I love wraith form, at times it's really handy to be almost invulnerable between the 25% incorporal and displacement (Evon6 for example) but those times are really few and far between. I think it's about time I drop the crutch that is Mental Toughness. The question is . .. what feat to take in it's place? She's a 34-pointer with a wizzy PL, I cannot afford to drop the spell pen feats. buffed (with yugos) 44 Necro DC, 627 HP. I have the below (and forgive the order, I'm pretty sure that's not the order I actually took them levelling up). . . Level 1 (Wizard) Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Extend Spell Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Wizard Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness Level 3 (Wizard) Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Arcane Initiate Level 5 (Wizard) Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Maximize Spell Level 6 (Wizard) Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness Level 9 (Wizard) Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes Level 10 (Wizard) Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Spell Focus: Necromancy Level 12 (Wizard) Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Necromancy Level 15 (Wizard) Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Heighten Spell Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration Level 18 (Wizard) Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration Level 20 (Wizard) Feat: (Wizard Bonus) Quicken Spell So if I dropped it . . . what to take in it's place?


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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: My shitty Pale master - feats? Reply #1 - May 10^th, 2012 at 10:58am	Print Post
	On a quick glance, I don't see anything obvious missing. SF: Enchant would be the default, safe choice.


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: My shitty Pale master - feats? Reply #2 - May 10^th, 2012 at 11:33am	Print Post
	cdr wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 10:58am: On a quick glance, I don't see anything obvious missing. SF: Enchant would be the default, safe choice. I had that first life and my Ench DCs (41?) was fine, with Wizzy PL it makes up the difference. My holds/ball lands fine so I'm not sure it's worth the feat.


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Gunga Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Fuck You. Posts: 9302 Location: New Jersey Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: My shitty Pale master - feats? Reply #3 - May 10^th, 2012 at 12:47pm	Print Post
	I hated mine, Junk. Had two. I'm on my fourth savant and I love em. Doing an earth savant right now and having a good time. After my second pale master, for my third wiz life, I went arch mage. It was almost like a sorc, just not as good.

	Smrti wrote on Mar 22^nd, 2013 at 3:00pm: Gunga is the best.
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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: My shitty Pale master - feats? Reply #4 - May 10^th, 2012 at 1:08pm	Print Post
	Gunga wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 12:47pm: I hated mine, Junk. Had two. I'm on my fourth savant and I love em. Doing an earth savant right now and having a good time. After my second pale master, for my third wiz life, I went arch mage. It was almost like a sorc, just not as good. I actually love my PM, insta-kills at end-game are so overly-powered and awesome. I'm a big fan of DC-casting and wizzies work better for me. That said I've never played a sorc so I won't know until I try it. Some day when my current stable are all level 25 with maxed-out Epic Destinies I'll try one.


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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: My shitty Pale master - feats? Reply #5 - May 10^th, 2012 at 1:09pm	Print Post
	I like my PM a lot, as good or better than sorc for scroll farming among other things. I will be trying air/water savant to see if I can get good enough DCs with better nuking, though.


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: My shitty Pale master - feats? Reply #6 - May 10^th, 2012 at 1:16pm	Print Post
	cdr wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 1:09pm: I like my PM a lot, as good or better than sorc for scroll farming among other things. I will be trying air/water savant to see if I can get good enough DCs with better nuking, though. You can on a Fleshie. A friend of mine has a DC42 necro on her sorc, but doesn't have reconstruct. No-fail heal-scrolls and amp keep her alive and much of the power of that toon exists between the keyboard and the chair.


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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: My shitty Pale master - feats? Reply #7 - May 10^th, 2012 at 1:23pm	Print Post
	The problem with 'no fail' heal scrolls is no quicken. You're still incredibly more vulnerable than a WF or a PM. I may try a human life but it seems entirely too vulnerable. I have pretty excellent gear and a +4 cha tome, so I'm expecting I can hit 42ish on a WF. Haven't done the math though, not thinking about it until I get my 20 abbots finished off.


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Tobril Honourary Australian Offline Hi Welcome Posts: 744 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: My shitty Pale master - feats? Reply #8 - May 10^th, 2012 at 2:24pm	Print Post
	If you could drop one spell pen take shield mastery. (yes I know you said you couldn't do this) Otherwise...for a single feat I don't really see anything useful besides a spell school feat or skill focus UMD.


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: My shitty Pale master - feats? Reply #9 - May 10^th, 2012 at 2:27pm	Print Post
	If I drop a spell pen feat I'll still see the blue thingies in stuff like EDA and eChrono, that's not an option. I actually want MOAR spell spen, not less I'll probably just leave it be for now.


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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: My shitty Pale master - feats? Reply #10 - May 10^th, 2012 at 3:39pm	Print Post
	I'd want Shield Mastery AND wraith, awesome together. Physical DR is icing and spell pen is cake though, dropping Spell Pen when your pen is already that low is not a good idea.
	« Last Edit: May 10^th, 2012 at 3:43pm by cdr »

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wowo Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 202 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2011	Re: My shitty Pale master - feats? Reply #11 - May 16^th, 2012 at 7:36am	Print Post
	Drop Extend or Empower and Mental Toughness for Shield Proficiency and Shield Mastery. Extend: I've just tried leveling a PM life without this and it hasn't bothered me (though no torc). I've expecting on my other PM with torc/conc-opp etc that I can deal without it (the only reason I have it is for Death Aura). Empower: This is getting nerfed to hell in U14 anyway and the only spell you really need it for now anyway is NEB; for general DPS maximise is fine. I'd actually drop Extend and Empower first for shield mastery just to make tanking some epic bosses a little easier (in wraith form).
	« Last Edit: May 16^th, 2012 at 7:37am by wowo »

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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: My shitty Pale master - feats? Reply #12 - May 16^th, 2012 at 9:11am	Print Post
	wowo wrote on May 16^th, 2012 at 7:36am: Drop Extend or Empower and Mental Toughness for Shield Proficiency and Shield Mastery. Extend: I've just tried leveling a PM life without this and it hasn't bothered me (though no torc). I've expecting on my other PM with torc/conc-opp etc that I can deal without it (the only reason I have it is for Death Aura). Empower: This is getting nerfed to hell in U14 anyway and the only spell you really need it for now anyway is NEB; for general DPS maximise is fine. I'd actually drop Extend and Empower first for shield mastery just to make tanking some epic bosses a little easier (in wraith form). I would suggest against this as one it's retarded and two it's getting nerfed.

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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: My shitty Pale master - feats? Reply #13 - May 16^th, 2012 at 11:01am	Print Post
	wowo wrote on May 16^th, 2012 at 7:36am: Empower: This is getting nerfed to hell in U14 anyway and the only spell you really need it for now anyway is NEB; for general DPS maximise is fine. For raid dps not having empower is not fine, at least right now. Empower adds a huge amount of DPS if what you're nuking has even a small amount of elemental resistance. Plus the wiz capstone + a couple points in improved empower enhancement + maybe an empower item makes it nice and mana efficient.


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: My shitty Pale master - feats? Reply #14 - May 17^th, 2012 at 3:43pm	Print Post
	Shield mastery on a caster ain't gonna be worth shit next mod. Gonna drop Empower and Maximize and either take SF/GSF Enchantment. The nuking feats just aren't gonna pay off and charming/holding stuff will.


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popejubal Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline fnord Posts: 6364 Location: Argo Joined: Aug 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: My shitty Pale master - feats? Reply #15 - May 17^th, 2012 at 6:55pm	Print Post
	Eladiun wrote on May 16^th, 2012 at 9:11am: I would suggest against this as one it's retarded and two it's getting nerfed. I disagree with "it's getting nerfed" as a reason for avoiding Shield Mastery. If you can't grab a flawless Siberys dragonshard off the AH, then you can just TR again and more Wizard past lives = better character in this case, so "it's retarded" is the only valid reason to avoid it in my mind. Not sure if it's enough of a reason, but it certainly is valid.

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