sweez wrote on Jun 3
rd, 2012 at 7:40am:
So the long story short of Orien is that OR recruits anyone thats even remotely competent and the rest of the server is in a permanent state of butthurt? Cause that's what I'm getting from all these orien 'drama' threads lol
The bar to get into Over Raided is actually amazingly low. You just need to have a level 20 and not wipe raids (and not be too big of a douchebag). Basic things like "if you're not the tank, stand
behind the boss not next to the tank" and junk like that. Really, what we look for is just people who can knock out raids with a minimum of fuss since members only have a couple hours to play each day.
But when we take PUGs we get this type of stuff:
Quote:I play on Orien, the server where no matter how many times you explain the raid, you will almost always get a few pugs that 1) kill the Shroud part 2 lieutenants as soon as they arrive 2) despite explicitly saying we're invising past everything, will run all over the map uninvised in eChrono and then bring everything back to the group on red alert because they're "coming back for heals" 3) go in the wrong door in Abbot and screw up the tiles assignments 4) kill the pillar right after the djinn dies in eVoN rather than waiting for the other djinns to die 5) when you tell some of them to stay at "home base" in eVoN because you don't really need all 12 people for the bases (since it's more about coordination and timing than raw damage), will go to a random base and proceed to kill the djinn and kill the pillar right away regardless of what the rest of the group is doing or is saying over chat/mic (I could go on and on, but I think this is long enough).
not to mention the PUGs that die 8 times in Abbot yet roll on every single piece of loot that drops. Part of the reason why we don't PUG that much nowadays is because stuff like that happens on a constant basis, and completion times generally end up taking longer with more resources used when there's PUGs in the group. It's much less stress-inducing (and often faster) to just go 4- or 5-man ToD or VoD etc. with guildies than to deal with PUGs that don't listen and/or don't know the basics of the raids and how to play.
Of course Shade claims that stuff happens on Khyber all the time too and that he still gets completions out of it (really? you get PUGs where you tell them in EVoN "hey we've got the bases covered, you can just sit at home base and AFK for 5 minutes" and yet they'll run to a random base and go kill the prepped djinn/kill the pillar while you're still setting up the bases?) and that he could lead an Orien PUG and complete LoB 99% of the time, but when a guildie challenged him to actually level up a guy on Orien and prove it, the response was...that's right, there was none. Even Shade in all his awesomeness couldn't stomach the prospect of leading Orien PUG raids and he just ignored the thread thereafter.
Carpone wrote on Jun 3
rd, 2012 at 11:26am:
I'd qualify "remotely competent" with "and people we don't want to stab in the face who play a lot". Mitwo (above) used to be in OR until he left for Rift and tried to eBay his account and guild membership. He got his account banned instead. The guy is competent but he's the founding member of the "stab in the face" club. I booted him from my TR train after two lives for being a douchebag (and I'm the first person to call myself an asshole).
The drama queen wannabe Searth who threatened to kill himself has spent weeks looking for level 2s to TR with. It's totally comical except for the fact he's a typical example of the kind of player you'll find on Orien (clueless pikers).
Part of Over Raided's culture is that people are expected to be mature, i.e.
drama-reducing instead of
drama-escalating, because the members focus on getting things done without all the high school drama. Nobody in the guild has time for that kind of stuff. It should be pretty obvious though that there's plenty of people on Orien who has plenty of time to spend on the game (as opposed to RL) to waste their time starting drama. (What I find humorous are the people who say "oh you do
this? You must be some stay-at-home couch potato loser!" when they're...spending their time going around on internet forums saying that other people have no life.) It's also not surprising that people who don't quite make the cut in Over Raided end up making up drama,
thereby validating why they didn't belong in the guild in the first place and that their non-membership was the right decision.
It's part of the entitlement culture on Orien, where it's the vets' responsibility to teach the newbies ("I don't know how to play the game! It's
someone else's responsibility to make
me good and not
my responsibility to learn the quest, listen to instructions, look at ddowiki, read walkthroughs, etc.") and many guilds' leaders and officers spend their time making up stories about each other because they can't actually field competent groups of players. This stuff here is still pretty tame compared to some of the stories that have been made up about OR in the past. My personal favorite is still this one:
http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=2929313&postcount=231It's talking about Epic Fail, the predecessor guild to Over Raided (Soul was the leader). The summary is basically:
Your leader secretly told me that your guild is just a big grand conspiracy to monopolize raiding on Orien so that anyone who wants to raid has to go through him, to prevent other guilds from raiding, because he's on a power trip and you are all fools for being sucked in.
P.S. I just happen to be a rival "end game" guild's leader who wasn't able to complete a ToD for months after you guys started running them regularly.I may have added something there. There's also other threads if you search through the forums about stuff like OR conspiring to get someone to kill himself or something (not talking about Noopleh/Searth, but another story before that), or making someone quit the game (a guildie that knows the guy IRL said his computer got fried by a lightning strike, and indeed he was back online after a few weeks), just off the top of my head. So you won't find many psychological disorders in Over Raided, but you certainly will find plenty of them in the people who talk trash about OR.
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