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Deathward for mobs in Epics
Jun 6th, 2012 at 8:44pm
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Epic monsters on hard and elite are now resistant against death if their CR is above 20. This ward is called “hard to kill” and acts as a death ward until the targets hps drops below 50% which removes the ward. The ward doesn’t restore after the monster heals.

This is less than ideal.
  
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Reply #1 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 8:46pm
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I like it.
  
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Reply #2 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 8:46pm
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sounds good to me
  
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Reply #3 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 8:49pm
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You must play melee's Tongue
  
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Reply #4 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 8:50pm
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Lame.
  
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Reply #5 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 8:51pm
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random110 wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 8:49pm:
You must play melee's Tongue


And a WF Necro/Conj AM.

What's wrong with Epic mobs not being able to be insta-killed immediately? Didn't we have that for YEARS prior? And it was "No insta-death period"?

DDO is hard you guys.
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 8:55pm
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I would rather have saves that reduce with HP for mobs and players. But that would make to much sense so fuck that lets bring back the blanket immunities!
  
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Reply #7 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 8:55pm
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And a WF Necro/Conj AM.

What's wrong with Epic mobs not being able to be insta-killed immediately? Didn't we have that for YEARS prior? And it was "No insta-death period"?

DDO is hard you guys.


I'm sure the melee's are going to love the arcane waiting until the mob they've been beating on for 20 mins to reach 50% health and fingering it because we'd rather not have this epic take a day and a half to finish.
  
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Re: Deathward for mobs in Epics
Reply #8 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 8:57pm
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Whats wrong is the half ass way they are doing it.
Either give them deathward or don't. 
They used to have it, then they took it away, and now they are sorta bringing it back. 

  
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Reply #9 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 9:06pm
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I think we're just going to have the DC casters soloing on normal and everyone else running epics like we used to on hard/elite
  
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Reply #10 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 9:07pm
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random110 wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 9:06pm:
I think we're just going to have the DC casters soloing on normal and everyone else running epics like we used to on hard/elite


I'm ok with this.
  
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Reply #11 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 9:09pm
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random110 wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 8:55pm:
I'm sure the melee's are going to love the arcane waiting until the mob they've been beating on for 20 mins to reach 50% health and fingering it because we'd rather not have this epic take a day and a half to finish.


Who the fuck are you running with?
  
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Reply #12 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 9:15pm
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And a WF Necro/Conj AM.

What's wrong with Epic mobs not being able to be insta-killed immediately? Didn't we have that for YEARS prior? And it was "No insta-death period"?

DDO is hard you guys.


That was when mass hold made mobs helpless and they took much more damage. In the old days it was "mass hold/beatdown with heavy picks". The it was "wail/circle/FoD/PK and cycle through". Now what is it going to be? Mass hold and wait for the mobs to be below 50% then wail/circle? Seriously.
  
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Re: Deathward for mobs in Epics
Reply #13 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 9:19pm
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For the PM, I'm guessing that using AOE damage to get the mob hp down would be ideal.  Just about everything is immune or highly resistant to fire.  So look to things like Chain Lightning/Horrid Wilting/Otiluke's Freezing Sphere/etc.

The deathward is curious to me though.  Why boost the negative damage for things like the sla's and necrotic ray if they won't affect the mobs?  That's interesting...
  
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Reply #14 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 9:21pm
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rest wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 9:15pm:
That was when mass hold made mobs helpless and they took much more damage. In the old days it was "mass hold/beatdown with heavy picks". The it was "wail/circle/FoD/PK and cycle through". Now what is it going to be? Mass hold and wait for the mobs to be below 50% then wail/circle? Seriously.


Potientally Adding Evocation Focus.  Then Mass Hold/Chain Lightning or Otiluke's/ Wail or Circle.
  
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Reply #15 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 9:21pm
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Poor assassins.
  
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Reply #16 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 9:22pm
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Madcow430 wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 9:21pm:
Potientally Adding Evocation Focus.  Then Mass Hold/Chain Lightning or Otiluke's/ Wail or Circle.


Well now that I'll have to carry around all these spell damage items, I wish I had made my PM with a bit more str.

Goddamn I hate inventory tetris.
  
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Reply #17 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 9:29pm
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Meh, they still have their massive SA... and they can still assassinate when I have my mob down to 1%, when, apparently, it is the most fun.  Hate you Urs. Tongue
  
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Reply #18 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 9:44pm
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rest wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 9:22pm:
Well now that I'll have to carry around all these spell damage items, I wish I had made my PM with a bit more str.

Goddamn I hate inventory tetris.


With the U14 spell power changes, you have to carry around spell damage clickies anyway. Deathward doesn't change that much.
  
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Re: Deathward for mobs in Epics
Reply #19 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 9:48pm
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cdr wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 9:44pm:
With the U14 spell power changes, you have to carry around spell damage clickies anyway. Deathward doesn't change that much.


I know that. Just a general statement about spell power changes affecting all kinds of shit, on top of this DW bullshit.

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Reply #20 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 9:55pm
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rest wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 9:48pm:
Hey aren't you quitting?


Yes.

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cdr wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 9:55pm:
Yes.


No.


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Re: Deathward for mobs in Epics
Reply #22 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 10:14pm
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The problem is, it is being called deathward.  In most cases it more of a deathblock.  Necro dmg still hits it, you just can't instakill it.
  
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Re: Deathward for mobs in Epics
Reply #23 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 10:35pm
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Meh, just TR to a sorc, use SLAs and various efficient meta clicky'd spells to bring mobs down to 50%, wail, rinse repeat. I personally started playing an arcane after U9 cause before that it looked just stupidly boring, being an enabler isn't fun, but what have you! Cheesy

And no it's not gonna be like pre-u9, pre-u9 mobs would get perma-held with any decent DC and just beaten down with heavy picks/woowoo sticks. Altho I guess mass hold + nuking would work now, but that just leaves melee useless once again (since by the time an average gimp melee beats down a mob isaves on the hold and assrapes the melee) Grin

You can't really have a melee vs. caster 'balance' in a game based on d&d, what you can have tho is a bastardized hodgepodge that Turbine's trying to make, wonder how it all works out  Smiley
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Re: Deathward for mobs in Epics
Reply #24 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 10:45pm
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I forsee a lot of wiz/sorc duos.

Honestly, why the fuck cant they just give enemy divines the ability to cast deathward (which can be interupted and dispelled).
  
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