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JC My Little Pony Offline Posts: 3670 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	I know nothing about paladins. Jun 18^th, 2012 at 12:17am	Print Post
	I'm going to finally TR my barbarian Tinskin into... Well... anything that isn't a barbarian. But I think I'll start with paladin for the past life. I will probably TR again the moment I hit 20. Or not. The barbarian didn't get much love. The only equipment he has worth mentioning is a Min2 maul and Min2 goggles. No epic gear and no other raid gear that's hard to get. I think I will wait until the expansion before I worry about AC. Here are the builds so far, I have never played a paladin nor has any of my guildies but I know I'm doing something wrong. I just bought monks and might do a monk splash instead but I know even less about monks than I know about paladins. Warforged: because that's how I roll. and because I got loads of Docents. 2 fighter / 18 paladin Starting stats: +2 tomes all around Str: 18 + all level ups +3 tome Dex: 8 Con: 16 +3 tome Int: 10 Wis: 6 Cha: 14 Skills: max intimidate and UMD. Once I eat an int tome add balance. (How important in concentration for paladins?) feats (in no particular order) Barb past life Power attack Two handed fighting (all three) Shield mastery Prof: khopesh IC: slashing Extend maybe? 2 monk / 18 paladin Starting stats: +2 tomes all around Str: 16 + all level ups +3 tome Dex: 15 Con: 16 +3 tome Int: 8 Wis: 6 Cha: 14 Skills: max out intimidate, put points into concentration and balance during monk levels. feats (in no particular order) Barb past life Power attack Two weapon fighting (all three) Shield mastery? Prof: khopesh IC: slashing Extend maybe? Enhancments: I want DoS but other than that fuck if I know. I can figure it out as I go.

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Azog Ex Member	Re: I know nothing about paladins. Reply #1 - Jun 18^th, 2012 at 1:58am	Print Post
	JC wrote on Jun 18^th, 2012 at 12:17am: I think I will wait until the expansion before I worry about AC. (...) Warforged: because that's how I roll. and because I got loads of Docents. What is wrong with you man? You had the occasion to write "I have dozens of Docents" and you miss it? Weak sauce.
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JC My Little Pony Offline Posts: 3670 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: I know nothing about paladins. Reply #2 - Jun 18^th, 2012 at 3:40am	Print Post
	Quote: What is wrong with you man? You had the occasion to write "I have dozens of Docents" and you miss it? Weak sauce. I don't get the reference.

	Alekx wrote on Jun 15^th, 2011 at 11:46pm: Fuck you and your political correctness. Eat a big fat conservative homo cock while you gaze at pony pictures with a hose up your ass.
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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: I know nothing about paladins. Reply #3 - Jun 18^th, 2012 at 4:11am	Print Post
	You should go monk. WF monks are unstoppable. This one time I thought mine was stopped - but I found out I wasn't holding down "W" all the way.

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Azog Ex Member	Re: I know nothing about paladins. Reply #4 - Jun 18^th, 2012 at 4:40am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Jun 18^th, 2012 at 4:11am: You should go monk.� WF monks are unstoppable.� This one time I thought mine was stopped -� but I found out I wasn't holding down "W" all the way.� I read in the ddo forums (and they are always correct) that after the Update monks will be gimped, and doomed and gimped and doomed.


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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: I know nothing about paladins. Reply #5 - Jun 18^th, 2012 at 6:45am	Print Post
	It is impossible to nerf monks to the point of being useless. We are eternal, we will always be better then barbarians.

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Azog Ex Member	Re: I know nothing about paladins. Reply #6 - Jun 18^th, 2012 at 8:19am	Print Post
	JC wrote on Jun 18^th, 2012 at 3:40am: I don't get the reference. You have to think the same way as I think for getting the reference: so, do not sleep for three consecutive nights, drink a vodka bottle and hit your head against the wall. No reference, just a stupid wordplay.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: I know nothing about paladins. Reply #7 - Jun 18^th, 2012 at 8:41am	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Jun 18^th, 2012 at 4:11am: You should go monk. WF monks are unstoppable. Epoch wrote on Jun 18^th, 2012 at 6:45am: It is impossible to nerf monks to the point of being useless.� We are eternal, we will always be better then barbarians. quoted for truths. the only reason to get melee past lives is to make your w/f monk even godlier.

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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: I know nothing about paladins. Reply #8 - Jun 18^th, 2012 at 11:05am	Print Post
	lol pally


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JC My Little Pony Offline Posts: 3670 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: I know nothing about paladins. Reply #9 - Jun 18^th, 2012 at 12:05pm	Print Post
	Epoch wrote on Jun 18^th, 2012 at 4:11am: You should go monk.� WF monks are unstoppable.� This one time I thought mine was stopped -� but I found out I wasn't holding down "W" all the way.� Munkenmo wrote on Jun 18^th, 2012 at 8:41am: the only reason to get melee past lives is to make your w/f monk even godlier. That is the ultimate plan. However since this is only the second life and thus will require a lot less XP then the next lives now is the best time to grind out a paladin life. The one time I tried paladins I didn't like them at all. Will go monk next.
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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: I know nothing about paladins. Reply #10 - Jun 18^th, 2012 at 12:48pm	Print Post
	If I had thought about it, my pally life on my fighter would have been his first life not his second. Running that life was fucking horrible.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: I know nothing about paladins. Reply #11 - Jun 18^th, 2012 at 1:26pm	Print Post
	best way i know how to do a paladin life without using hearts of wood. 1 arti then 9monk then 10 pally you say you're doing it for the past life, forget about trying to build an end game paladin, and start trying to build the easiest way to cap it you think will work for you. reason i choose arti over rogue for umd is: that force trap in von 3 that lever in wiz king and that wisdom book in crucible that sacrificial dog > sneak attack.

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QuantumFX Shroud Slacker Offline Now back to the GOOD part! Posts: 1170 Joined: Nov 15^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: I know nothing about paladins. Reply #12 - Jun 18^th, 2012 at 1:51pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Jun 18^th, 2012 at 1:26pm: you say you're doing it for the past life, forget about trying to build an end game paladin, and start trying to build the easiest way to cap it you think will work for you. This. Plus it�s important to prepare your surroundings for your paladin incarnation! I posted this on the main forums for a guy that was getting ready to do 3 paladin incarnations for the stacking PL business: The main thing you need to do to prep for a paladin incarnation is to remove anything from your house that you may try to commit suicide with� This list includes (But is not limited to) Sharp knives, prescription drugs, anything on a household poison list or electronics with a power cord long enough to stretch from your bathroom sink to your bathtub. And make sure you keep your next True Heart of Wood in your inventory. It will serve as a constant reminder that �It�s OK. You won�t be stuck as a paladin for too much longer.�


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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: I know nothing about paladins. Reply #13 - Jun 18^th, 2012 at 10:02pm	Print Post
	As mentioned elsewhere, I'm doing a 18 pal / 2 monk life on my tank for the PL and staying at endgame while I TR other characters. It's freaking awesome for a tank. Insane AC, insane saves, evasion, tons of self healing, pretty much unstoppable while leveling. DPS is good for a tank but not exactly kopesh kensai and it won't be quite as good a end game tank as a fighter, but the drawbacks are really few. If you don't want a tank or don't want to play much endgame, probably not for you though.


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Smrti VoD Slasher Offline I Am Fooling No One Posts: 1920 Location: Denver Joined: Oct 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: I know nothing about paladins. Reply #14 - Jun 18^th, 2012 at 11:09pm	Print Post
	If I didn't want to cut myself everytime I tr'd I would be tempted to do that 1/9/10 split.

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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: I know nothing about paladins. Reply #15 - Jun 24^th, 2012 at 3:04pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Jun 18^th, 2012 at 1:26pm: best way i know how to do a paladin life without using hearts of wood. 1 arti then 9monk then 10 pally you say you're doing it for the past life, forget about trying to build an end game paladin, and start trying to build the easiest way to cap it you think will work for you. reason i choose arti over rogue for umd is: that force trap in von 3 that lever in wiz king and that wisdom book in crucible that sacrificial dog > sneak attack. Wise words.� This is the build you want.� One of my first TRs was a 10 Paladin/9 Monk/1 Ranger (Sprint Boost; I didn't know enough about trap locations then to disable effectively). I play an end-game 18 Paladin/2 Fighter DoS tank.� If I had enough time prior to MOTU to TR him into a non-Paladin I would have.� The only thing a Paladin brings to the table is 10% Doublestrike from Zeal, but that's not enough to make up for the lack of feats and craptacular enhancement selection.� Anything more than 2 Paladin these days are wasted levels.


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JC My Little Pony Offline Posts: 3670 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: I know nothing about paladins. Reply #16 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 9:24pm	Print Post
	Now That I have tried to put something together I realize just how badly I have no idea what I'm doing. I am positive I did the ability scores wrong but I don't know what would be right. I will be leveling with a guildie who will be doing a pure arti TR. So I will go 1 rogue instead and I won't need to worry about any rogue skills or the sacrificial dog. And we will use the stone of xp to skip the mid levels. I'll switch to dark monk when I can get touch of death. I do want to try to make this thing a tank. Even if it's just as practice for when it will be a real tank in the next life. Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 03.14.01 DDO Character Planner Home Page Tinskin Level 20 Lawful Good Warforged Male (10 Paladin \ 9 Monk \ 1 Rogue) Hit Points: 308 Spell Points: 129 BAB: 16\16\21\26\26 Fortitude: 20 Reflex: 17 Will: 13 � �� Starting� �� Feat/Enhancement Abilities� �� Base Stats� �� Modified Stats (34 Point)� �� (Level 1)� �� (Level 20) Strength� �� 14� �� 22 Dexterity� �� 15� �� 17 Constitution� �� 16� �� 19 Intelligence� �� 12� �� 14 Wisdom� �� 10� �� 12 Charisma� �� 12� �� 14 Tomes Used +3 Tome of Strength +2 Tome of Dexterity +3 Tome of Constitution +2 Tome of Intelligence +2 Tome of Wisdom used +2 Tome of Charisma used � �� Starting� �� Feat/Enhancement � �� Base Skills� �� Modified Skills Skills� �� (Level 1)� �� (Level 20) Balance� �� 6� �� 13 Bluff� �� 1� �� 2 Concentration� �� 3� �� 26 Diplomacy� �� 1� �� 2 Disable Device� �� n/a� �� n/a Haggle� �� 5� �� 6 Heal� �� 0� �� 1 Hide� �� 6� �� 7 Intimidate� �� 5� �� 25 Jump� �� 2� �� 9 Listen� �� 0� �� 1 Move Silently� �� 6� �� 7 Open Lock� �� 6� �� 7 Perform� �� n/a� �� n/a Repair� �� 1� �� 2 Search� �� 1� �� 2 Spot� �� 4� �� 5 Swim� �� 2� �� 6 Tumble� �� 6� �� 7 Use Magic Device� �� 5� �� 25 Level 1 (Rogue) Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting Level 2 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) dodge Level 3 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Berserker's Fury Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack Level 4 (Paladin) Level 5 (Paladin) Level 6 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Combat Expertise Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light Level 7 (Monk) Level 8 (Paladin) Level 9 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Level 10 (Paladin) Level 11 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist Level 12 (Paladin) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons Level 13 (Paladin) Level 14 (Monk) Level 15 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Level 16 (Monk) Level 17 (Paladin) Level 18 (Paladin) Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow Level 19 (Paladin) Level 20 (Paladin) My guildie is getting impatient so I'm trying the forums too. http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?p=4596482#post4596482
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Aranticus Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2110 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009	Re: I know nothing about paladins. Reply #17 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 4:56am	Print Post
	tank? in what aspect? high ac? high hp? or just grab agro?


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: I know nothing about paladins. Reply #18 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 6:00am	Print Post
	munk pallylife Level 20 Lawful Good Warforged Male (10 Paladin \ 9 Monk \ 1 Artificer) Hit Points: 430 Spell Points: 327 BAB: 16\16\21\26\26 Fortitude: 22 Reflex: 17 Will: 18 � �� Starting� �� Feat/Enhancement Abilities� �� Base Stats� �� Modified Stats (36 Point)� �� (Level 1)� �� (Level 20) Strength� �� 16� �� 25 Dexterity� �� 14� �� 18 Constitution� �� 16� �� 21 Intelligence� �� 12� �� 16 Wisdom� �� 12� �� 16 Charisma� �� 10� �� 13 Tomes Used +1 Tome of Strength used at level 3 +1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3 +1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3 +1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3 +1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 3 +1 Tome of Charisma used at level 3 +2 Tome of Strength used at level 7 +2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7 +2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7 +2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7 +2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7 +2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7 +3 Tome of Strength used at level 11 +3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 11 +3 Tome of Constitution used at level 11 +3 Tome of Intelligence used at level 11 +3 Tome of Wisdom used at level 11 +3 Tome of Charisma used at level 11 +4 Tome of Strength used at level 15 +4 Tome of Dexterity used at level 15 +4 Tome of Constitution used at level 15 +4 Tome of Intelligence used at level 15 +4 Tome of Wisdom used at level 15 � �� Starting� �� Feat/Enhancement � �� Base Skills� �� Modified Skills Skills� �� (Level 1)� �� (Level 20) Balance� �� 2� �� 19 Bluff� �� 0� �� 1 Concentration� �� 7� �� 32 Diplomacy� �� 0� �� 1 Disable Device� �� n/a� �� n/a Haggle� �� 4� �� 5 Heal� �� 1� �� 5 Hide� �� 2� �� 6 Intimidate� �� 0� �� 16 Jump� �� 3� �� 9 Listen� �� 1� �� 3 Move Silently� �� 2� �� 6 Open Lock� �� 6� �� 11 Perform� �� n/a� �� n/a Repair� �� 1� �� 3 Search� �� 1� �� 3 Spot� �� 5� �� 7 Swim� �� 3� �� 8 Tumble� �� n/a� �� 7 Use Magic Device� �� 4� �� 24 Level 1 (Artificer) Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Barbarian Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Fighter Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Paladin Level 2 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness Level 3 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Soldier of the Faith Level 4 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Inevitable Dominion: Fists of Darkness Level 5 (Monk) Level 6 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting Level 7 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist Level 8 (Monk) Level 9 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Disciple of the Fist Level 10 (Monk) Level 11 (Paladin) Level 12 (Paladin) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Level 13 (Paladin) Level 14 (Paladin) Level 15 (Paladin) Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Level 16 (Paladin) Level 17 (Paladin) Level 18 (Paladin) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons Level 19 (Paladin) Level 20 (Paladin) Enhancement: Artificer Damage Boost I Enhancement: Static Charge Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise I Enhancement: Way of the Patient Tortoise II Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery I Enhancement: Monk Improved Recovery II Enhancement: Monk Ninja Spy I Enhancement: Void Strike I Enhancement: Adept of Wind Enhancement: Adept of Rock Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III Enhancement: Paladin Hunter of the Dead I Enhancement: Racial Toughness I Enhancement: Racial Toughness II Enhancement: Racial Toughness III Enhancement: Improved Jump I Enhancement: Improved Jump II Enhancement: Improved Tumble I Enhancement: Improved Tumble II Enhancement: Paladin Devotion I Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I Enhancement: Paladin Improved Turning I Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend I Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend II Enhancement: Warforged Healer's Friend III Enhancement: Warforged Tactics I
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: I know nothing about paladins. Reply #19 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 6:07am	Print Post
	Reasoning behind that build / split and some notes. Arti over rogue, 1: honestly I don't care about the 1d6 sneak attack, the +1 extra umd alone is worth it. 2: the free spell slot for repair saves me thousands of potions. 3: you'll be splitting up in elite wiz king, that dog is still worth it. 4: hotd cause i love my healing amp 5: hotd cause it's free ghost touch just ontime for necro iv. swap extend for power attack around level 10ish. if you don't have paladin past life, take improved sunder.
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JC My Little Pony Offline Posts: 3670 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: I know nothing about paladins. Reply #20 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 1:32pm	Print Post
	Aranticus wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 4:56am: tank? in what aspect? high ac? high hp? or just grab agro? Grabbing agro will be the easy part. The rest will be just staying alive, but even though I won't have as much HP as I did as a barbarian I will still have decent HP, evasion, saves and whatever else paladin/monk gets me. I'm mostly using this as an opportunity to figure out what I'm doing sense I'm going to TR once I hit 20.

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Aranticus Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2110 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009	Re: I know nothing about paladins. Reply #21 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 8:28pm	Print Post
	JC wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 1:32pm: Grabbing agro will be the easy part. The rest will be just staying alive, but even though I won't have as much HP as I did as a barbarian I will still have decent HP, evasion, saves and whatever else paladin/monk gets me. I'm mostly using this as an opportunity to figure out what I'm doing sense I'm going to TR once I hit 20. I've been out of the game for a long time but some stuff is still applicable. On agro, Grabbing agro is one thing, retaining agro is another. Assuming you have the agro of the boss, how likely will you be able to generate enough hate/dps/intim/etc to hold the boss attention? Any lapse can have disastrous consequences Damage avoidance is the other issue, I've seen many tanks that max out on their dps with no dr, ac, etc. Their logic is that they can complete the raid faster and thus lower resources used. Some built right are able to do this by making themselves easy to heal/repair. Then there are those who require constant monitoring and requires requiring less efficient spells. What are your strategies on this? Tanking in a raid is multidimensional compared to dpsers. It's also about staying alive and managing resources. Don't get me wrong, I'm not dishing your build, ive seen human sorcs "tank", monks on horoth etc, question is, what is your game plan?


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JC My Little Pony Offline Posts: 3670 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: I know nothing about paladins. Reply #22 - Jul 19^th, 2012 at 11:56pm	Print Post
	Aranticus wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 8:28pm: I've been out of the game for a long time but some stuff is still applicable. On agro, Grabbing agro is one thing, retaining agro is another. Assuming you have the agro of the boss, how likely will you be able to generate enough hate/dps/intim/etc to hold the boss attention? Any lapse can have disastrous consequences My only experience with tanking is with my full retard max hp, dps and nothing else barbarian. I did not have the best hate gear but my DPS was good enough that it was usually not a problem. This build probably won't even be close in DPS but I will now have mountain stance and the first DoS stance and intimidate. Its intimidate should be good enough for anything that build can survive. I mostly pug and my usual rule in pugs is if there is any problem with holding argo or a disagreement on who should tank I just say whoever can hold argo gets to be the tank. 90% of the time that was me. The rest of the time there was already a real tank in the party and I never tried to take argo or it was just someone who just is a better tank than me. Or they die and with my new found head start I have no problem holding argo. Damage avoidance is the other issue, I've seen many tanks that max out on their dps with no dr, ac, etc. Their logic is that they can complete the raid faster and thus lower resources used. Some built right are able to do this by making themselves easy to heal/repair. Then there are those who require constant monitoring and requires requiring less efficient spells. What are your strategies on this? Before it was nothing other than to have enough HP to survive the heal cool-down. Now even though I won't have as much HP I will have evasion, great saves, Physical Resistance, better healing amp, whatever dodge I get, the ninja spy incorporeal thing, and some AC. I have no idea how effective all that will be but I'm hoping it will be better than what I had. Tanking in a raid is multidimensional compared to dpsers. It's also about staying alive and managing resources. Don't get me wrong, I'm not dishing your build, ive seen human sorcs "tank", monks on horoth etc, question is, what is your game plan? Reach level 20, figure out what I am doing wrong along the way, use my new knowledge to decide what to do next.
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Aranticus Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2110 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009	Re: I know nothing about paladins. Reply #23 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 2:00am	Print Post
	JC wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 11:56pm: This build probably won't even be close in DPS but I will now have mountain stance and the first DoS stance and intimidate. Its intimidate should be good enough for anything that build can survive. you might want to get a number cruncher to try calculate your hate generation. most raid leaders expect clockwork motion, everything to go the way its planned. doing that means formulating a strategy that is 100%, thats taking into as many factors as they can. to put it bluntly, what is your confidence level that this build can hold agro 100% of the time? what are some special situations that may cause you to lose agro? btw is intim cooldown still longer than its duration? i left when that happened... I mostly pug and my usual rule in pugs is if there is any problem with holding argo or a disagreement on who should tank I just say whoever can hold argo gets to be the tank. 90% of the time that was me. The rest of the time there was already a real tank in the party and I never tried to take argo or it was just someone who just is a better tank than me. Or they die and with my new found head start I have no problem holding argo. this isnt an issue if you are a straight cut build but in pugs, you will still find asses that will try to prove you wrong. when raid leaders ask me to tank suulo in horoth on my rgr/mnk, i tell them to give me a lead time each time suulo ports. this allows me to generate enough hate to lock him onto me. there will be manasponging idiots that refuse to follow. in a weak group, they will switch to that guy because they are afraid of horoth healing up. in a seasoned group, the usual tactic will be to let that guy die since horoth would be quite full in hp anyways Before it was nothing other than to have enough HP to survive the heal cool-down. Now even though I won't have as much HP I will have evasion, great saves, Physical Resistance, better healing amp, whatever dodge I get, the ninja spy incorporeal thing, and some AC. I have no idea how effective all that will be but I'm hoping it will be better than what I had. Reach level 20, figure out what I am doing wrong along the way, use my new knowledge to decide what to do next. plan for sufficient hp to survive oops moment, ie when tod first came out, a lot of groups liked ac toons on horoth. then the 500 dmg dinitegrate struck. before i left, the tank priority was ac+600hp > more than 600 hp > ac with less than 600 hp. of coz wf > fleshies. find out what is the max dmg in ddo and plan for that. this is a very safe bet. regardless of how low the chance of sustaining high dmg, you will always be blamed if you did not have enough


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JC My Little Pony Offline Posts: 3670 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: I know nothing about paladins. Reply #24 - Jul 20^th, 2012 at 2:07am	Print Post
	Aranticus wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 2:00am: plan for sufficient hp to survive oops moment, ie when tod first came out, a lot of groups liked ac toons on horoth. then the 500 dmg dinitegrate struck. before i left, the tank priority was ac+600hp > more than 600 hp > ac with less than 600 hp. of coz wf > fleshies. find out what is the max dmg in ddo and plan for that. this is a very safe bet. regardless of how low the chance of sustaining high dmg, you will always be blamed if you did not have enough I will definitely go for the highest HP I can. At least 700. Also, dropping improved sunder for dodge for the PRE. forgot about that.
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