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Stele Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 231 Joined: Jan 29^th, 2011	Tough choices for MotU Kensai Jun 24^th, 2012 at 6:25am	Print Post
	Looking to the free feat respec for my HOrc THF Kensai, there are some very difficult choices fitting in all the feats needed. 18 feats for a non-Human Kensai 20 - 1. THF 2. ITHF 3. GTHF 4. WF (Overwhelming Critical prereq) 5. WS 6. GWF 7. GWS 8. SWF (Kensai III prereq) 9. PA 10. Cleave (Overwhelming Critical prereq) 11. Great Cleave (Overwhelming Critical prereq) 12. Imp Crit 13. Improved Sunder 14. Dodge 15. Mobility 16. Spring Attack 17. Whirlwind 18. Toughness Epic feats - 1. Overwhelming Critical 2. eToughness (requires 21 base Con) Feats that just can't be fit in - 1. mjore Toughness! 2. Khopesh if you're TWF 3. Quickdraw (but Cleave can be used in the 'dead' time after boost activation instead) 4. Power Critical (actually adds 2 damage per swing with eSoS) 5. Pally PLF 6. Combat Expertise 7. Stunning Blow Any thoughts? edit I guess Khopesh users will have to take the feat as one of their epic ones (or not at all). It's not like they're going to have the 21 Con for eToughness like a THF Kensai will. So, whilst not nerfed, Khopesh Kensai will be 'squishier' by about 75HP.


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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Tough choices for MotU Kensai Reply #1 - Jun 24^th, 2012 at 11:00am	Print Post
	I did not think SWF was a Kensei III prereq. Re-check that? Edited: Just checked and indeed, SWF IS required for Kensei III. Looks like your feat selection is pretty good then.
	« Last Edit: Jun 24^th, 2012 at 11:13am by Arkat »
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Smrti VoD Slasher Offline I Am Fooling No One Posts: 1920 Location: Denver Joined: Oct 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Tough choices for MotU Kensai Reply #2 - Jun 24^th, 2012 at 1:38pm	Print Post
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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Tough choices for MotU Kensai Reply #3 - Jun 24^th, 2012 at 2:28pm	Print Post
	Stele wrote on Jun 24^th, 2012 at 6:25am: 14. Dodge 15. Mobility 16. Spring Attack 17. Whirlwind I'm not sold on Whirlwind.� Why do you want it so badly? The Dodge from Dodge/Mobility/Spring Attack is ok, but that's a huge investment for 7% Dodge. Also, if you plan on tanking, your Dodge will be capped if you use Heavy Armor (Dodge % cap = MDB). Quote: Feats that just can't be fit in - 1. mjore Toughness! 2. Khopesh if you're TWF 3. Quickdraw (but Cleave can be used in the 'dead' time after boost activation instead) 4. Power Critical (actually adds 2 damage per swing with eSoS) 5. Pally PLF 6. Combat Expertise 7. Stunning Blow Quickdraw is a waste of a feat.� I don't care how much the max DPS guys says it shaves off 0.6 sec from boosts, it's not worth a feat slot.� More Toughness isn't necessary unless you're going to tank.� If you're going to tank, you'll be Stalwart Defender over Kensei. Combat Expertise is bunk unless you plan on gearing out as a tank, or purchasing the Improved CE ability from Legendary Dreadnought (for 13% damage reduction).� 15% to AC on a DPS focused toon isn't as much as you think it is. The 10% Doublestrike from capstone is awesome, but you'll get a lot more damage mitigation out of 1 level of Rogue with the Hamstring feat.� It's completely OP since it works on purple named mobs.
	« Last Edit: Jun 24^th, 2012 at 2:35pm by Carpone »

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scraap Ex Member	Re: Tough choices for MotU Kensai Reply #4 - Jun 24^th, 2012 at 8:59pm	Print Post
	Stele wrote on Jun 24^th, 2012 at 6:25am: Looking to the free feat respec for my HOrc THF Kensai, there are some very difficult choices fitting in all the feats needed. ... 17. Whirlwind Feats that just can't be fit in - 6. Combat Expertise Any thoughts? Problem solved: http://ddowiki.com/page/Whirlwind_Attack Prerequisite: Combat Expertise, Spring Attack (which would require Dodge and Mobility as well), base attack bonus of +4 or higher


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Stele Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 231 Joined: Jan 29^th, 2011	Re: Tough choices for MotU Kensai Reply #5 - Jun 25^th, 2012 at 3:35am	Print Post
	Yup I forgot CE was mandatory, so I'd have to drop Imp Sunder or Toughness to fit it in. Any melee (except a pure Barb) not spamming Imp Sunder in a raid isn't pulling his weight so I can't drop that. Without Toughness, with a 21 base Con, +7 Con item and a +45HP GS item I'd only be sitting at 510HP so I can't drop Toughness either IMO. So that's my mind made up not to take Whirlwind.


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aDifferentHandle Abbot Raider Offline omg, that's the funky shit Posts: 996 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2010	Re: Tough choices for MotU Kensai Reply #6 - Jun 25^th, 2012 at 10:56am	Print Post
	Stele wrote on Jun 25^th, 2012 at 3:35am: So that's my mind made up not to take Whirlwind. Also, not taking Khopesh Proficiency is a pretty bold move, assuming you still want to use these weapons.
	« Last Edit: Jun 25^th, 2012 at 10:56am by aDifferentHandle »
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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Tough choices for MotU Kensai Reply #7 - Jun 25^th, 2012 at 11:15am	Print Post
	aDifferentHandle wrote on Jun 25^th, 2012 at 10:56am: Also, not taking Khopesh Proficiency is a pretty bold move, assuming you still want to use these weapons. Honestly, no it's not. On a Kensai with the current To-Hit formula with the Update, -4 per a swing is shit and will amount to no noticeable difference in To-Hit.

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Deeds Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 188 Joined: Nov 8^th, 2011	Re: Tough choices for MotU Kensai Reply #8 - Jun 25^th, 2012 at 12:00pm	Print Post
	Honestly, I think the only way this would work would be to drop the thf line. Your aoe dmg is still going to be higher if u spam cleave/great cleave/whirlwind attack but you will lose single target dps. I went through this and in the end decided to not take whirlwind. Id rather keep my toon over 800hp.

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Felgor Shroud Slacker Offline Go Fuck Yourself Posts: 1011 Joined: Jun 25^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Tough choices for MotU Kensai Reply #9 - Jun 28^th, 2012 at 9:04pm	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Jun 24^th, 2012 at 2:28pm: I The 10% Doublestrike from capstone is awesome, but you'll get a lot more damage mitigation out of 1 level of Rogue with the Hamstring feat.� It's completely OP since it works on purple named mobs. So Hamstring slows down the attack speed of everyone, not just Pit Fiends now?

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