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Reply #25 - Jul 9th, 2012 at 8:32am
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kickass wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 5:59am:
aye. it's better than a lit2 before seeker and burst effects are applied, and no need to step into the shroud to make it. plus stunning 10 on a khopesh is sick.


The increase in damage is very noticeable. Just even on the dummy I'm hitting 10 points higher a swing it seems, unboosted.
  

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Reply #26 - Jul 9th, 2012 at 2:11pm
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(Note: Yes, I realize this thread is more about moving epic items to epic items.  However, I think the long term players may appreciate the following as it’s better loot for their lowbies and less excuse for newbies to be ill-equipped.)

In the low end spectrum of things:

Overall:
- There are various armor/shield types with higher base bonuses dropping.  They make for really nice crafted items.

Level 8ish quests are dropping:
- +5 (ML:9) Stat gear, Protection and Natural Armor items
- +7 armor robes.
- Heavy Fort belts

Level 9ish quests are dropping:
- +6 Stat Gear is dropping in Shadow Crypt

Level 12ish quests are dropping:
- Toughness items.  (ML:15)
  

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Reply #27 - Jul 9th, 2012 at 8:57pm
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Smrti wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 4:51am:
Nope, but at +6 with stun 10 and Maiming, it works nicely.


I always thought Maiming was a junk suffix. Has it been buffed?
  
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Reply #28 - Jul 9th, 2012 at 9:23pm
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FakeStrake wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 8:57pm:
I always thought Maiming was a junk suffix. Has it been buffed?


There's nothing wrong with Maiming other than the fact that it isn't something better.

The +6 instead of +5 and the +2d8 over a regular Khopesh and the 18-20/x3 instead of 19-20/x3 all add up with the Maiming to make it nice.

The Stunning +10 on top of that is just lovely.

I'd say that questions of whether it's better than a LitII mostly depends on what your damage bonuses are that you're pumping up with the extra crit profile.
  

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Reply #29 - Jul 9th, 2012 at 9:50pm
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FakeStrake wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 8:57pm:
I always thought Maiming was a junk suffix. Has it been buffed?


On criticals, it adds 2-12 untyped damage. so 25% of the time (15-20 on this khopesh), you are doing 2-12 extra damage ON TOP OF the increased base damage.

Like I said, the increased damage is quite noticeable.

eta: Most people compare everything to Lit2 for trash beating because for a long time, notyhing at end game except Lailat resisted Electric, and her DR, even on Epic, is pitiful. The fact is, most Demons we're facing are resistant or even immune to lightning. Hell, even Tieflings are resistant. Maiming is untyped, like Blade Barrier. Only straight-up Physical Resistance stops it, which is usually only on constructs and undead.

And just wait til we finally get to go to the other side of Shavarath, which is inhabited by Archons. Holy Burst may lose it's sting over there by a good bit, and we'll be scrambling to craft unholy burst items instead.

right now, if it weren't for Lit2's existence, and we had to craft our trash beaters, the fact is that most people would say fuck it and roll a caster, or they'd make Holy/unholy burst or Maiming as a general beater, but have a million other weapons for each subtype of trash.


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Reply #30 - Jul 9th, 2012 at 11:44pm
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Thanks guys, makes a lot of sense now.
Was thinking of it in context of the old game, but I see the big picture now.
  
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Reply #31 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 12:06am
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FakeStrake wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 11:44pm:
Thanks guys, makes a lot of sense now.
Was thinking of it in context of the old game, but I see the big picture now.


Just because the devs only added Devils as endgame for a couple years, people tend to think in those terms a lot.
  

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Reply #32 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 1:28am
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Yea I ran the numbers and depending on how you calculate the lit strike % and damage, the Drow weapon is slightly ahead or the same as Lit2.

  

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Reply #33 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 2:42am
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Smrti wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 12:06am:
Just because the devs only added Devils as endgame for a couple years, people tend to think in those terms a lot.


thats the whole idea of min-maxing
  
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Reply #34 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 1:20pm
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Yup, holy burst of maiming was my prefered khopeshes before I made green steel. 

Another really nice thing, is you can break down the items and recraft.  For my fvs, I had a crafted anarchic burst lawful outside bane (put on a blessed silver greatsword).  A couple days ago I broke down a lvl 21+ silver GS a guildie found and made a 2[2d6] holyburst silver greater lawful outsider bane.

Personally, I want to find some mauling khopeshes, I'd even prefer the drow ones to drop the stunning and have mauling.

Pandemoneun, Wintry, Nightmares, there's a bunch of nice new weapon properties.
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Reply #35 - Jul 10th, 2012 at 11:06pm
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Aranticus wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 2:42am:
thats the whole idea of min-maxing


Min-maxing for old content =/= Min-maxing for current content. Smiley

LordPiglet wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 1:20pm:
Yup, holy burst of maiming was my prefered khopeshes before I made green steel. 

Another really nice thing, is you can break down the items and recraft.  For my fvs, I had a crafted anarchic burst lawful outside bane (put on a blessed silver greatsword).  A couple days ago I broke down a lvl 21+ silver GS a guildie found and made a 2[2d6] holyburst silver greater lawful outsider bane.

Personally, I want to find some mauling khopeshes, I'd even prefer the drow ones to drop the stunning and have mauling.

Pandemoneun, Wintry, Nightmares, there's a bunch of nice new weapon properties.


I haven't seen the Mauling suffix yet myself. link?

Errosive is really nice too.
  

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Reply #36 - Jul 11th, 2012 at 3:52am
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Felgor wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 1:28am:
Yea I ran the numbers and depending on how you calculate the lit strike % and damage, the Drow weapon is slightly ahead or the same as Lit2.


there's no 'how you calculate the lightning strike % and damage', it's a 1.5% proc rate @ 20d20+400 damage. back on topic though, even if one is situationally better than the other (depending on fort/dr/etc), the fact that a chest-pulled weapon competes with the reigning Weapon of the Month for the past 713 months in a row brings me sexual stimulation.
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Reply #37 - Jul 11th, 2012 at 9:15am
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Felgor wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 1:28am:
Yea I ran the numbers and depending on how you calculate the lit strike % and damage, the Drow weapon is slightly ahead or the same as Lit2.



until you encounter a mob with ANY DR at all, and this is with a pretty high damage bonus so rogues, bards, rangers (non favored-enemies) should stick with lightning IIs.

Assuming 9 points/swing for a lightning Strike the Drow Khopeshes over-take Lightning IIs when the damage bonus gets to about a 55.  This is not taking into account Human Versatility Damage Boost which pushes the Drow weapons ahead at a lower threshold.   The weapons are situational.

That said I'm farming this for all my melees.

Still, the best trash-melee weapons I've seen are the Triple Earth Alchemicals though they kinda get shitty in epic elites where everything starts making their saves.
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Reply #38 - Jul 11th, 2012 at 9:21am
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kickass wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 5:59am:
aye. it's better than a lit2 before seeker and burst effects are applied, and no need to step into the shroud to make it. plus stunning 10 on a khopesh is sick.


Double-Air Alchemical, Stunning 10, lightning strike, 6% double-strike.   Almost makes running LOB worth it.

I'd say triple's worth it but I'd be lying, the DC on that AOE effect is so low that almost anything worth killing makes the save.  Though exquisite spirits are on sale right now (dropping in epic normal unless the patch changed this) so it's much easier to get that DR-breaking stunning 10 lightning-strike Khopesh.
  
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Reply #39 - Jul 11th, 2012 at 9:40am
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Bigjunk wrote on Jul 11th, 2012 at 9:21am:
Double-Air Alchemical, Stunning 10, lightning strike, 6% double-strike.   Almost makes running LOB worth it.

I'd say triple's worth it but I'd be lying, the DC on that AOE effect is so low that almost anything worth killing makes the save.  Though exquisite spirits are on sale right now (dropping in epic normal unless the patch changed this) so it's much easier to get that DR-breaking stunning 10 lightning-strike Khopesh.



They are but the drop rate is shit.
  

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What's with all the work?   Just grab a set of Nightmare Scimitars and go to town.
  

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Eladiun wrote on Jul 11th, 2012 at 9:40am:
They are but the drop rate is shit.


Have you seen the drop-rate on the Drow weapons?  And that effect is radom, some are stunning, some are tendon slice, the one I do have has some random effect that's bordeline useless.

Pulling a stunning 10 Maiming Drow Khopesh is akin to winning the lottery.
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Eladiun wrote on Jul 11th, 2012 at 9:44am:
What's with all the work?   Just grab a set of Nightmare Scimitars and go to town.


How are those holding up in Epic Elites?  I'd imagine CR45 mobs would save on a 1-19.
  
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Bigjunk wrote on Jul 11th, 2012 at 10:23am:
How are those holding up in Epic Elites?  I'd imagine CR45 mobs would save on a 1-19.


Outside of the Demon web quests and some spiders they are still wicked OP.  Any of the old Epics they are devastating.  It's actually quite ridiculous considering all the instakill nerfs. 
  

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Bigjunk wrote on Jul 11th, 2012 at 10:20am:
Have you seen the drop-rate on the Drow weapons?  And that effect is radom, some are stunning, some are tendon slice, the one I do have has some random effect that's bordeline useless.

Pulling a stunning 10 Maiming Drow Khopesh is akin to winning the lottery.


True but you can ransack that chest in about 30 minutes and with a full party and multiple toons you will get what you want faster than running eNormal for Exquisites.  One essence dropped when we tested eNorm last run; it was Exquisite but that was the only essence that dropped.
  

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Reply #45 - Jul 11th, 2012 at 10:51am
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Smrti wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 11:06pm:
Min-maxing for old content =/= Min-maxing for current content. Smiley


I haven't seen the Mauling suffix yet myself. link?

Errosive is really nice too.



I've seen it in the auction house, but not on anything I could use.  It's listed towards the bottom under new suffixes.  It does slicing, maiming and bleed.

http://ddowiki.com/page/Update_14_named_items

I picked up a holy burst and desert sand (fire burst) both have 10% tendon slice to play around with.
  
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Eladiun wrote on Jul 11th, 2012 at 10:44am:
True but you can ransack that chest in about 30 minutes and with a full party and multiple toons you will get what you want faster than running eNormal for Exquisites.  One essence dropped when we tested eNorm last run; it was Exquisite but that was the only essence that dropped.



Which quest do they drop from?
  
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Eladiun wrote on Jul 11th, 2012 at 10:40am:
Outside of the Demon web quests and some spiders they are still wicked OP.  Any of the old Epics they are devastating.  It's actually quite ridiculous considering all the instakill nerfs. 


Good to know
  
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LordPiglet wrote on Jul 11th, 2012 at 10:53am:
Which quest do they drop from?


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Reply #49 - Jul 11th, 2012 at 11:12am
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Bigjunk wrote on Jul 11th, 2012 at 10:20am:
Have you seen the drop-rate on the Drow weapons?  And that effect is radom, some are stunning, some are tendon slice, the one I do have has some random effect that's bordeline useless.

Pulling a stunning 10 Maiming Drow Khopesh is akin to winning the lottery.


Well then maybe I should thank Stop again lol.

Now I need to find a vertigo 10 one and I'll be set.

As good as alchemicals are, these Drow khopesh are THE shit. Even on DR mobs, my first number is a good 10-20 points higher.

A guildy of mine has already claimed It's the closest thing twf will get to the esos.
  

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