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Schmoe Epic Poster Offline One world, one soul Posts: 4219 Location: A chair Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010	TWF feat advice Jul 16^th, 2012 at 4:04pm	Print Post
	I have a human tempest/kensai with the following chosen feats (omitting auto-granted feats): Power Attack Weapon Focus Bludgeon Weapon Specialization Bludgeon IC: Bludgeon Toughness Dodge Mobility Spring Attack Stunning Blow IC: Ranged Quickdraw Oversized TWF I really like the looks of Overwhelming Critical, and I'd like to pick it up. In order to do so, though, I need to find room for Cleave and Great Cleave, which means that I need to replace at least one of my currently chosen feats. Looking over my list, I think Quickdraw and OTWF seem like the best candidates to replace, but I wanted to ask people here about their thoughts. 1. Are cleave and great cleave worth anything for a TWF? I've heard that they have been revised and are now pretty good for THF, with bigger base damage die, slower attack rate, and glancing blows. But I'm not sure about TWF. If cleave and great cleave are worthless, I'm going to have to think long and hard about that feat tax just to get Overwhelming Critical. 2. Between Quickdraw and OTWF, which feat do you suggest I replace? Quickdraw's benefits seem rather minor, but between all of the action boosts that I use and swapping between weapons (ranged for manyshot, different weapon sets, etc) I think I get pretty good use out of it. With the revamped combat mechanics, a -2 to-hit is a lot less significant than it was before. 3. Are there any other worthwhile epic feats? If I don't pursue Overwhelming Critical, I'd need to find a couple more "filler" feats. At this point probably Point Blank Shot and one other. Even if I do pick up OC, I would consider dropping both Quickdraw and OTWF to get another epic feat if there was one that seemed worth it. Thanks!

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Belwaar Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1017 Location: With Hordo's Mom Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: TWF feat advice Reply #1 - Jul 16^th, 2012 at 5:11pm	Print Post
	If I was considering ^^^^ that, I'd be going about it the same as you. I realize that wasn't helpful at all.

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Smrti VoD Slasher Offline I Am Fooling No One Posts: 1920 Location: Denver Joined: Oct 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: TWF feat advice Reply #2 - Jul 16^th, 2012 at 5:33pm	Print Post
	Level split? And are you splashing monk for unarmed or are you after the new warhammers? Quickdraw and oversized are pretty much trash now. You can always activate that cleave as soon as you boost. Overwhelming critical is borked right now though anyhow. On smrti, I took great strength as my lvl 24 feat to even out the stat bump.

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Schmoe Epic Poster Offline One world, one soul Posts: 4219 Location: A chair Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010	Re: TWF feat advice Reply #3 - Jul 16^th, 2012 at 10:29pm	Print Post
	Belwaar wrote on Jul 16^th, 2012 at 5:11pm: If I was considering ^^^^ that, I'd be going about it the same as you. I realize that wasn't helpful at all. Thats... not very helpful Smrti wrote on Jul 16^th, 2012 at 5:33pm: Level split? And are you splashing monk for unarmed or are you after the new warhammers? Quickdraw and oversized are pretty much trash now. You can always activate that cleave as soon as you boost. Overwhelming critical is borked right now though anyhow. On smrti, I took great strength as my lvl 24 feat to even out the stat bump. Thanks for the suggestions. 12 ranger/7 fighter/1 rogue I started with warhammers just because they don't take a feat, they look damn cool, and they are decent weapons. It just happens to be lucky for me that some of the recent hammers are good I have the rogue for trap skills, so skills are worthwhile to me. I guess that's something else to consider, although an entire feat for a +1 to skills doesn't seem like much. What do you think is wrong with Quickdraw?

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Smrti VoD Slasher Offline I Am Fooling No One Posts: 1920 Location: Denver Joined: Oct 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: TWF feat advice Reply #4 - Jul 17^th, 2012 at 7:13am	Print Post
	Schmoe wrote on Jul 16^th, 2012 at 10:29pm: Thats... not very helpful Thanks for the suggestions. 12 ranger/7 fighter/1 rogue I started with warhammers just because they don't take a feat, they look damn cool, and they are decent weapons.� It just happens to be lucky for me that some of the recent hammers are good I have the rogue for trap skills, so skills are worthwhile to me.� I guess that's something else to consider, although an entire feat for a +1 to skills doesn't seem like much. What do you think is wrong with Quickdraw? Quickdraw is fine if you have nothing better to take. and if you activate a boost, you can cleave almost immediately afterwards, faster than a normal attack can be performed.

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Felgor Shroud Slacker Offline Go Fuck Yourself Posts: 1011 Joined: Jun 25^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: TWF feat advice Reply #5 - Jul 17^th, 2012 at 11:20pm	Print Post
	Smrti wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 7:13am: Quickdraw is fine if you have nothing better to take. and if you activate a boost, you can cleave almost immediately afterwards, faster than a normal attack can be performed. Ya, Haste boost, dmg boost then great cleave then Imp sunder is a pretty fluid attack chain, while holding down the attack button.

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Schmoe Epic Poster Offline One world, one soul Posts: 4219 Location: A chair Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010	Re: TWF feat advice Reply #6 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 8:28am	Print Post
	Smrti wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 7:13am: Quickdraw is fine if you have nothing better to take. and if you activate a boost, you can cleave almost immediately afterwards, faster than a normal attack can be performed. Felgor wrote on Jul 17^th, 2012 at 11:20pm: Ya, Haste boost, dmg boost then great cleave then Imp sunder is a pretty fluid attack chain, while holding down the attack button. Good to know. I think I'll ditch OTWF for Cleave, pick up Great Cleave for my lvl 21 feat, level to 23 and hold there, primed to take 24 when Overwhelming Critical is working and it actually makes sense to level up from 23. Thanks!

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Smrti VoD Slasher Offline I Am Fooling No One Posts: 1920 Location: Denver Joined: Oct 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: TWF feat advice Reply #7 - Jul 18^th, 2012 at 1:29pm	Print Post
	Schmoe wrote on Jul 18^th, 2012 at 8:28am: Good to know.� I think I'll ditch OTWF for Cleave, pick up Great Cleave for my lvl 21 feat, level to 23 and hold there, primed to take 24 when Overwhelming Critical is working and it actually makes sense to level up from 23.� Thanks! Another idea would be to drop quickdraw for the second cleave, take overwhelming at 21, then take great strength at 24 to even out the stat boost you get at the same level.

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Schmoe Epic Poster Offline One world, one soul Posts: 4219 Location: A chair Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010	Re: TWF feat advice Reply #8 - Aug 8^th, 2012 at 12:44pm	Print Post
	I just wanted to come back and say thanks for the advice to pick up Cleave/Great Cleave. They have been fantastic on my TWF build. The animation hardly disrupts my normal attack sequence at all, and it basically feels like an extra attack. It's also great for short-circuiting the delay after a weapon-swap, boost activation, or a stun. Good stuff.

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Smrti VoD Slasher Offline I Am Fooling No One Posts: 1920 Location: Denver Joined: Oct 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: TWF feat advice Reply #9 - Aug 8^th, 2012 at 2:12pm	Print Post
	It's really fun in Fury with an adrenaline boost right before you use it.

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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: TWF feat advice Reply #10 - Aug 24^th, 2012 at 4:45pm	Print Post
	Smrti wrote on Aug 8^th, 2012 at 2:12pm: It's really fun in Fury with an adrenaline boost right before you use it. Does the adrenaline hit all the targets in front of you when you cleave?


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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: TWF feat advice Reply #11 - Aug 24^th, 2012 at 5:15pm	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Aug 24^th, 2012 at 4:45pm: Does the adrenaline hit all the targets in front of you when you cleave? Yes, that is why fighters and barbs think it is the bees knees.

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