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scraap Ex Member	Re: Yellow dopant in the DDO store Reply #25 - Aug 2^nd, 2012 at 9:26pm	Print Post
	I might be more irritated if it wasn't someone that's proven they're functionally retarded, well, doing something retarded. Past a certain point, you just stop expecting to ever see a bright move.


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Terebinthia Horoluth Raider Offline All your cupcakes are belong to me! :D Posts: 2499 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2011	Re: Yellow dopant in the DDO store Reply #26 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 2:51am	Print Post
	JoJI wrote on Aug 2^nd, 2012 at 9:04pm: eh, I think Yellow Dopant is exactly what should be in the DDO Store. It's pure convenience. Grind out the larges or decon your old GS. Either way you're not getting any stronger then you already were. I mean you have to had already completed a GS item or slotted a ToD ring to even use the Dopant. It's not like buying a +3 supreme tome or better then chest found mana pots. I find it a bit stupid it wasn't released in the store with the xpac, but I'm having a hard time seeing the reasoning for any anger of it being added to the store in u15. I'm not really bothered about it being in the store. It's more that I hear the drop rate is so parlous that it may as well not exist as a drop in game. Does it show up in the 20th end rewards, anyone know?


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	I dont care much about greensteel-deconstruction. I could consolidate my vale pies with the bag bug and and sitting on 50+ lds and much more other stuff. Most of my toons have even a cleansing stone banked. But I realy would like to get rid of the now completly useless +2 insight bonus on my TOD rings. ARRRRGH.

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aDifferentHandle Abbot Raider Offline omg, that's the funky shit Posts: 996 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2010	Re: Yellow dopant in the DDO store Reply #28 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 3:41am	Print Post
	I don't care much about the store. But the dicky move is that they still claim that it can drop. I've seen more +3 tomes drop in shroud chests than yellow dopants.

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Rodrak Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 232 Joined: Aug 10^th, 2011	Re: Yellow dopant in the DDO store Reply #29 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 3:50am	Print Post
	While I only read the forums when I'm bored now, sometimes I get really curious about things. So I redownloaded the client and checked that dopant item... Turbine is lying like usual about it, it was definitely made for the DDO Store from the very beginning. The only loot table that contains it is the old shroud part 5 chest (with same drop rate on each difficulty), in other words the only higher chance is on elite and only because you get 2 chests that use that specific treasure table (as the hard/3rd one is from part 4, at least that's what I heard, I haven't done shroud for almost one year now and I cannot check which chests spawn). The drop rate is 1% for a 10% chance to get one so 0.1% per chest. Pathetic. It doesn't drop in Devil Assault at all, on any difficulty.


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Terebinthia Horoluth Raider Offline All your cupcakes are belong to me! :D Posts: 2499 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2011	Re: Yellow dopant in the DDO store Reply #30 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 3:57am	Print Post
	Rodrak wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 3:50am: While I only read the forums when I'm bored now, sometimes I get really curious about things. So I redownloaded the client and checked that dopant item... Turbine is lying like usual about it, it was definitely made for the DDO Store from the very beginning. The only loot table that contains it is the old shroud part 5 chest (with same drop rate on each difficulty), in other words the only higher chance is on elite and only because you get 2 chests that use that specific treasure table (as the hard/3rd one is from part 4, at least that's what I heard, I haven't done shroud for almost one year now and I cannot check which chests spawn). The drop rate is 1% for a 10% chance to get one so 0.1% per chest. Pathetic. It doesn't drop in Devil Assault at all, on any difficulty. Wow. Yes. That's pathetic.


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Epoch Alaskan Ice Hole Offline Epochalypse Posts: 10377 Location: Frozen Tundra Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Yellow dopant in the DDO store Reply #31 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:45am	Print Post
	Who fucking cares? DDO store means no more shroud ever again. Fuck the shroud. We grinded that place to fucking dust for what, 4 years? I was waiting for this announcement. I am happy.

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Takllin Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 65 Joined: Aug 14^th, 2010	Re: Yellow dopant in the DDO store Reply #32 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 10:02am	Print Post
	I just got my 20th a week ago and I didn't get it as an end reward but they might have it in he table with a shit small percent. But I wouldn't bank on getting 20 completions to get one.

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Inkblack Puppy Farmer Vault WDA Offline _,\|,, Posts: 1553 Joined: Sep 10^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Yellow dopant in the DDO store Reply #33 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 10:21am	Print Post
	Rodrak wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 3:50am: While I only read the forums when I'm bored now, sometimes I get really curious about things. So I redownloaded the client and checked that dopant item... Turbine is lying like usual about it, it was definitely made for the DDO Store from the very beginning. The only loot table that contains it is the old shroud part 5 chest (with same drop rate on each difficulty), in other words the only higher chance is on elite and only because you get 2 chests that use that specific treasure table (as the hard/3rd one is from part 4, at least that's what I heard, I haven't done shroud for almost one year now and I cannot check which chests spawn). The drop rate is 1% for a 10% chance to get one so 0.1% per chest. Pathetic. It doesn't drop in Devil Assault at all, on any difficulty. Working through the math, after 694 chests (347 elite runs) there is a 50% chance you will have gotten at least one to drop. 29 runs before you're more likely to have seen one in the chest than not.� (Poisson distribution, P(0)<50%)
	« Last Edit: Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 10:29am by Inkblack »

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popejubal Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline fnord Posts: 6364 Location: Argo Joined: Aug 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Yellow dopant in the DDO store Reply #34 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:39pm	Print Post
	The whining and outrage was successful! http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=4624523&postcount=72 Quote: We�re increasing how much Yellow Dopant drops in U15, and adding more locations where it drops. Update 15 Shroud drop rates are increasing to five times as much as Update 14 rates. Tower of Despair also drops Yellow Dopant in Update 15, with an extra chance in Suulomades� chest. Vision of Destruction gains a chance to drop Yellow Dopant. The drop rates in these raids are comparable to each other, with increased chance on higher difficulties. Devil Assault on Elite and Epic will also drop Yellow Dopant. Due to a bug it does not currently do so in U14. The drop rate is lower in Devil Assault in general, but Epic will drop more than Elite.
	« Last Edit: Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 4:40pm by popejubal »
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pnellesen Titan Demolisher Offline We can't all just get along. Posts: 311 Joined: Dec 6^th, 2011	Re: Yellow dopant in the DDO store Reply #35 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 5:25pm	Print Post
	So from 0.01% to 0.05%?� I guess that helps puts the word "successful" in proper context :p


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qwerty1234 Ex Member	Re: Yellow dopant in the DDO store Reply #36 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 5:57pm	Print Post
	.1% to .5%, or from one tenth of one percent to half a percent.


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Xenostrata Ex Member	Re: Yellow dopant in the DDO store Reply #37 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 6:07pm	Print Post
	Rodrak wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 3:50am: While I only read the forums when I'm bored now, sometimes I get really curious about things. So I redownloaded the client and checked that dopant item... Turbine is lying like usual about it, it was definitely made for the DDO Store from the very beginning. The only loot table that contains it is the old shroud part 5 chest (with same drop rate on each difficulty), in other words the only higher chance is on elite and only because you get 2 chests that use that specific treasure table (as the hard/3rd one is from part 4, at least that's what I heard, I haven't done shroud for almost one year now and I cannot check which chests spawn). The drop rate is 1% for a 10% chance to get one so 0.1% per chest. Pathetic. It doesn't drop in Devil Assault at all, on any difficulty. I'm not entirely sure I get this. Why is it listed as a 1% chance for a 10% chance for it to drop instead of just a .1% chance?


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Terebinthia Horoluth Raider Offline All your cupcakes are belong to me! :D Posts: 2499 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2011	Re: Yellow dopant in the DDO store Reply #38 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 6:11pm	Print Post
	Rodrak, I hope you stay around and do embarrassing analysis of blatent cash cow drops occasionally. They made such a big song and dance about "we're giving you what you want" too. That's the irritating thing. Turbine, we already know you make your cash by selling noobs +1 full plate and casuals spirit cakes. Not allowing some opportunity to pull these things in game is more than a little churlish. And I say that as someone who values their time enough to buy the odd spirit cake if I screw up..


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Rodrak Dragon Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 232 Joined: Aug 10^th, 2011	Re: Yellow dopant in the DDO store Reply #39 - Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 7:18pm	Print Post
	Quote: I'm not entirely sure I get this. Why is it listed as a 1% chance for a 10% chance for it to drop instead of just a .1% chance? Treasure tables list percentiles, so it's similar to rolling d100 several times whenever you open the chest. In this case the main treasure table lists 1% chance to go to another treasure table that has 10% chance for a dopant. The current shroud treasure for "old" part 5 chest looks like this: 1-50: depleted high energy cell 51-100: nothing 1-100: large ingredient (another treasure table) 1-11: shard of supreme power 12-100: nothing 1: another treasure table with 10% for dopant 2-100: nothing So when you open the chest, the server makes 4 independent d100 "rolls" (and if it reaches another treasure table, some extra ones). For dopant, it rolls d100, if it's 1 it rolls again, and if it's 1-10 there, you get a dopant Anyway, it's nice that they are increasing the drop rates and putting it into other places


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Smrti VoD Slasher Offline I Am Fooling No One Posts: 1920 Location: Denver Joined: Oct 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Yellow dopant in the DDO store Reply #40 - Aug 4^th, 2012 at 2:06am	Print Post
	Reposting here for when it gets deleted: Quote: [QUOTE=mobrien316;4624270]I could understand the rant a little better if the item never dropped in the game, but was only available in the store. Why would they sell an item in the store at all if it constantly dropped in the game? I think this is pefectly fair of Turbine and simply makes good business sense.� If someone wants one right now, they can buy one.� If they want one and don't want to buy it, they can grind for it.� You are paying for convenience, but you are not required to buy it at all. Maybe if the drop rate wasn't 10% chance to get a 1% chance of it dropping in only 1 chest on N/H and possibly 2 on elite. For those of you not math inclined, that is .001% Chance of pulling a single Yellow Dopant on Normal/Hard and .002% Chance on Elite. For comparison's sake, that is less than even +4 tomes on Normal ToD (0.01%), yet we don't have +4's in the store. It's slap in the face to us as customers and a very obvious cashgrab. It disgusts me greatly. [/quote]

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Calvet Puppy Farmer Offline I take stroke pills! Posts: 1497 Location: United Kingdom Joined: Dec 6^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Yellow dopant in the DDO store Reply #41 - Aug 4^th, 2012 at 2:58am	Print Post
	pnellesen wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 5:25pm: So from 0.01% to 0.05%?� I guess that helps puts the word "successful" in proper context :p You're looking at it all wrong! It's a 500% increase chance which makes it the best update EVAR! Sips some Spanish water

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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 10013 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Yellow dopant in the DDO store Reply #42 - Aug 4^th, 2012 at 4:35am	Print Post
	Rodrak wrote on Aug 3^rd, 2012 at 7:18pm: Treasure tables list percentiles, so it's similar to rolling d100 several times whenever you open the chest. In this case the main treasure table lists 1% chance to go to another treasure table that has 10% chance for a dopant. The current shroud treasure for "old" part 5 chest looks like this: 1-50: depleted high energy cell 51-100: nothing 1-100: large ingredient (another treasure table) 1-11: shard of supreme power 12-100: nothing 1: another treasure table with 10% for dopant 2-100: nothing So when you open the chest, the server makes 4 independent d100 "rolls" (and if it reaches another treasure table, some extra ones). For dopant, it rolls d100, if it's 1 it rolls again, and if it's 1-10 there, you get a dopant Anyway, it's nice that they are increasing the drop rates and putting it into other places Now I would really like to know what editor/viewer you use to see the content of the files... With the ones I have it is a mess that's almost unreadable.

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Bill Z Bubb Boobies Controller Offline I only know three chords! Posts: 1238 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2012	Re: Yellow dopant in the DDO store Reply #43 - Aug 4^th, 2012 at 10:27am	Print Post
	Flav wrote on Aug 4^th, 2012 at 4:35am: Now I would really like to know what editor/viewer you use to see the content of the files... I've been thinking the same thing.

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