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Bravery bonus issues with banked XP
Sep 3rd, 2012 at 2:04am
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Anyone else encountered this? Not been an issue for me yet as my two toons that are TRing have been on hiatus, but does rather look like breaking streak is not a good thing if banking levels...
  
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Re: Bravery bonus issues with banked XP
Reply #1 - Sep 3rd, 2012 at 2:56am
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no idea, the only issue I have with the fucking bravery bonus is that it exists.

There's nothing brave doing quests two level under the level of your character on elite.
A real bravery bonus would be to have a +10% bonus for each level the quest difficulty has above the highest character level in the party. ( with a cap at +50%, like Bravery )
Irrelevant of the difficulty setting ( it would just be a modifier to the quest level ).

That way people could have a bravery bonus while doing quests on normal... 5 levels over the highest character in party level. And as it would be on a quest basis there wouldn't be any streak to break, any need to actually always LFM for Elite quests and such.

  

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Re: Bravery bonus issues with banked XP
Reply #2 - Sep 3rd, 2012 at 2:59am
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You mean like it used to be?
  
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Re: Bravery bonus issues with banked XP
Reply #3 - Sep 3rd, 2012 at 4:16am
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Right after MotU my streak got reset to 0 by doing Hold for Reinforcements on Casual with a gold seal version of Barrage in my party.  I did the same thing a couple days ago with no issues.
  

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Re: Bravery bonus issues with banked XP
Reply #4 - Sep 3rd, 2012 at 5:22am
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rest wrote on Sep 3rd, 2012 at 2:59am:
You mean like it used to be?


Yes, escept that it wasn't called that way and it was linked to the Death penalty.
I don't want the death penalty back. But the old bonus, that got removed when they removed the death penalty, instead of the bravery suckage I'm for it.

There's two things that piss me with the ssuker bonus right now :

- it kills lfm, as only elite lfm will fill.
- people do quests on elite even when they are unable to complete them.

So overall it hurts the game as
- those that can handle elite don't lfm ( and go solo/guild/friends/raiding channels ).
- those that can't handle it never fill their parties if they LFM for a difficulty other than elite.
- those that can't handle it will try it anyway and wipe ( and be disgusted, /ragequit ).
- everybody and the dog will to it's utmost to keep the precious streak going.

With the other bonus there's
- no streak to break, so LFM for all difficulties will appears again.
- those that can handle a quest 5 level above the party level will be able to do it
- those that can't handle a quest 5 level above the party level may be able to handle
  quests 2, 3, 4 level above... it makes more option.
- last but not least, a TR whatever will have some challenge if they want to...
  VON3 with a party of LVL 5 characters is not an easy feat. but the 50K+ XP are well worth it.
- there is going to be a will to group, as doing quests above the party level is difficult to solo.
  

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Re: Bravery bonus issues with banked XP
Reply #5 - Sep 3rd, 2012 at 7:29am
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Unfortunately, with the way the 34pt/36pt XP tables are setup, the advanced players won't touch the higher level content early.  It could work if Turbine pulled their collective heads out of their asses and started giving a base 1,000 XP per level of the quest and then multiplied it by .5 for a short quest*, x1 for a normal quest, x1.5 for a long quest, and x2 for a very long quest.

* And I mean short quests that are actually short.  Hold For Reinforcements would be at least normal length for this formula.
  

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Reply #6 - Sep 3rd, 2012 at 10:28am
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Flav wrote on Sep 3rd, 2012 at 2:56am:
There's nothing brave doing quests two level under the level of your character on elite.


It's brave if you PUG it.
  
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Re: Bravery bonus issues with banked XP
Reply #7 - Sep 3rd, 2012 at 11:09am
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cdr wrote on Sep 3rd, 2012 at 10:28am:
It's brave if you PUG it.


that's not brave, it's just adding 437,850xp onto the required amount for a double TR.

  

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Re: Bravery bonus issues with banked XP
Reply #8 - Sep 3rd, 2012 at 11:19am
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I've run nothing but at level or above elites or epics for two days.  bravery streak in general is not working correctly, as somewhere along the line it got reset.

not a huge deal for me, as epics give acceptable xp; bit it IS broken right now.
  
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Re: Bravery bonus issues with banked XP
Reply #9 - Sep 3rd, 2012 at 1:53pm
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QuantumFX wrote on Sep 3rd, 2012 at 7:29am:
Unfortunately, with the way the 34pt/36pt XP tables are setup, the advanced players won't touch the higher level content early.  It could work if Turbine pulled their collective heads out of their asses and started giving a base 1,000 XP per level of the quest and then multiplied it by .5 for a short quest*, x1 for a normal quest, x1.5 for a long quest, and x2 for a very long quest.

* And I mean short quests that are actually short.  Hold For Reinforcements would be at least normal length for this formula.


I agree that there's a lot of things to fix/balance/tweak.
That includes standardizing quest lengths definition and a complete rework of the XP, some quests give too much for the difficulty and others don't give enough.
  

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Re: Bravery bonus issues with banked XP
Reply #10 - Sep 4th, 2012 at 12:03pm
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Red door'ing a quest can cause it to mess up as well, had mine reset on Delera's because of this.
  
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Reply #11 - Sep 4th, 2012 at 12:06pm
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Red Door'd a bunch of shadow crypts yesterday, and had 0 issues.
  
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Re: Bravery bonus issues with banked XP
Reply #12 - Sep 4th, 2012 at 12:28pm
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rest wrote on Sep 4th, 2012 at 12:06pm:
Red Door'd a bunch of shadow crypts yesterday, and had 0 issues.

My friends red door'd as well, they didn't have any issues however.
  
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Re: Bravery bonus issues with banked XP
Reply #13 - Sep 4th, 2012 at 9:06pm
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I think the issue people are having are inside their heads.
  

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Re: Bravery bonus issues with banked XP
Reply #14 - Sep 5th, 2012 at 4:08pm
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Epoch wrote on Sep 4th, 2012 at 9:06pm:
I think the issue people are having are inside their heads.

I do not deny this a possibility yet my counter dropped to zero after running Delera 2 on elite red door. =(
  
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Re: Bravery bonus issues with banked XP
Reply #15 - Sep 5th, 2012 at 4:42pm
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Mine has been both resetting and increasing. While at cap. While repeating quests I've already run.

Something is no worky.
  
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Re: Bravery bonus issues with banked XP
Reply #16 - Sep 5th, 2012 at 8:22pm
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Glenalth wrote on Sep 5th, 2012 at 4:42pm:
Mine has been both resetting and increasing. While at cap. While repeating quests I've already run.

Something is no worky.


There's a bug that makes all your first time completions count as first time for BB as well. So, you'd get bravery on elite, then on hard... then norm will break your streak. Unless you never, ever run norm for that quest. Multiple hards or elites won't give streak again unless there's another bug that allows that... Unfortunately.

I haven't figured out if the bug is always there, or if it caused by not running the quest -at all- until you cap. I know the bug does happen if you haven't run the quest at all before you cap.
Quick testing should show if it happens before cap or not. My TR hasn't had any problem of streak resetting however, so it is probably linked to cap and/or epic quests in some way.
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