I noticed the other post looking for advice on a Warforged Pally w/ splash, and since I just so happen to be working the kinks out of my fourth life Warforged 18 Paladin / 2 Monk, I wanted to post it up to share some ideas and maybe get some worthwhile feedback.  Maybe.

Anyways, here is the build:
Base (with gear only at L25)
STR: 16 +6 Level Ups +3 Tome (34)
DEX: 8 +3 Tome (19)
CON: 18 +3 Tome (30)
INT: 11 +3 Tome (16)
WIS: 6 +3 Tome (15)
CHA: 15 +3 Tome (27)

Feats:
Past Lives (1 Cleric, 1 Fighter, 1 Monk)
1 - Mithral Body
1(M) - Power Attack
3 - Cleave
6 - Great Cleave
9 - Improved Critical Slashing
12 - Two Handed Fighting
14(M) - Toughness
15 - Improved Two Handed Fighting
18 - Greater Two Handed Fighting
21 - Overwhelming Critical
24 - Improved Sunder

Skills - 22 Monk + 62 Pally (assumes extra point at levels 3 and 11) - otherwise, 1 less balance
11 UMD
23 Intimidate
20/19 Balance
5 Concentration
3 Spot
1 Tumble

Enhancements:
Flexible depending on content, can achieve tier 3 in either Hunter of the Dead, or Knight of the Chalice, depending on content.  For unrelated content (e.g. not devil/demon or undead), likely go with a default of HotD for that delicious healing amp.  Also CHA enhancements to keep it even while leveling and at cap.

Gear:
Purple Dragon Knight helm and gloves
Draconic Ring *w/ 20% healing amp
**Epic Ring of the Stalker (tier 3) w/ +6 Dex slotted
*Stone Heart (+8 CHA or +3 ex CHA w/ set bonus)
*Cleansed Greensteel Bracers, (+45 HP, +6 Dex Skills, Blurry, Displacement clicky)
Torc / *Draconic Necklace (depending on aggro management & need for SP), Torc default
Boots of the Woodsman
**Epic Spare Hand (tier 3) w/ Heavy fort and +1 exceptional CHA or +6 CHA depending on Stone Heart stats
Treasure Hunters Spyglass w/ good luck +2 slotted
**Cloak of the Wolf (L24), swappable w/ **Cloak of the Bear (L24) (depending on aggro management)
Greensteel Goggles (+150 SP, +5 CHA skills, Blindness immunity, +6 WIS, Con Opp)

Notable Weapons:
Sword of Shadow (non-epic)
Lit 2 Falchion (useful against neutral mob version)
**Triple positive maul

*Still need item
**Will gather (or complete) during next life

Overall, this has me pretty close to being ready to TR again, with only a small number of items still needed.  The biggest hurdle I can see is getting the 375 PDK favor to unlock the set bonus on the Stone Heart, although this effort is now well underway, and should be doable since there are lots of groups running the U14 content on elite for this very same reason.  Also, I have 6-stared most of the challenges already and have a handful of the quests already done on elite.  Other items to wrap up prior to the TR is finish my 20th Shroud for a cleansing stone on the bracers, go farming for a Draconic Necklace, and get another 9 trophies for the TOD ring upgrade.  I've never come close to being so prepared for endgame when designing the build, and am looking forward to outperforming my already impressive monk DPS, with the added durability from increased HP, AC, and PRR.

Comments, or even coherent flames, are encouraged.

Munkenmo wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 7:25pm:

Glad to see some feedback, although to your salient point, please refer to my level 9 feat, Improved Critical: Slashing.

Additionally, I agree that the stone heart is lacking (no heavy fort, WTF!), but with that gear setup, I don't see anything important that the final layout will be missing.

OK, final final point of response to post 2, of all the PDK compatible armors, only the stone heart (and ancient gemstone) works with evasion.

Munkenmo wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 8:12pm:

Wow, making some typo edits never caused so much frustration.  Main post is unedited though.

Speaking of edits, what just happened to your Mari Chain comment?

Was going to say I've been farming for that through a couple lives now, and while I have the Torc and 2 Chaosblades, I have yet to see it fall for my main (have only 1 on an alt so far).

Hmm, looking to outdps your monk with a paladin? Are fucking stupid? To help this you waste 3 feats on two handed fighting.  Amazing.  If you don't want to be compared to thrudh, don't be as stupid as he is.  Also, don't make a paladin WF with evasion.  For fucks sake goldilocks, lrn2bld.

Mr Poop wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 1:21am:


the twf line is fucking amazeballs...

You're a paladin wearing a god damned torc, get extend, quicken and maximise. The 2hf line is that  shitty

you seem to realise that docents are shit yet at the same time can't bring yourself to belive it. You're hanging yourself up on the pdk set whilst effectively writing off your body slot and a feat just to have it.

what you've managed to do is
make a build with less dps / self healing / feats than a human, horc and helf.

and tried to sell it to us as a build that out dps' a monk.

ofc we're giving you shit for it, the entire concept of this build out dps'ing a monk  is fucking retarded.

My current build, monk, remains a sticking point so I will give the overall outline (a bit lazy to be super specific, but hopefully you can extrapolate if it is of so much interest):

• L20 monk / 4 epic (holding L25), HElf dark monk
• strength focus, w/ high(ish) wisdom and con
• Grandmaster Wind stance w/ Void 4
• TWF feats
• stunning fist
• Rogue dilly w/ sneak attack enhancements
• Shintao set w/ holy burst on the ring
• Villager set
• Pretty good wraps (90's in crafting w/ ML:20 base threaded - reworking a couple of these now since I holy bursted my TOD ring, but overall passable to good)
• T3 epic brawlers gloves
• twisted +1.5[W] damage
• +1[W] damage epic feat
• Improved Sunder
• Destiny to suit, leveling them now so it varies

So, yes, the monk does have some respectable dps (not claiming to be uber - but it does drop the baddies quite fast), and while it is likely that the splashed pally will under dps my monk against some mobs (maybe most, I don't know how to calc dps since I can't seem to find any information on attacks per second), I think that with a focus on crit range, combined with smites+divine might 3 (and ofc mostly best at-level weaponry till L20 waiting in the TR bank), that my dps will be quite strong on the pally - while being even more effective than the monk against larger numbers of mobs due to the splash damage from THF.

I did mention the comparison to my monk in the OP so my bad on that part, since as noted above I really don't know much about how to calc dps, so the claim to be higher than my monk is baseless and in many circumstances probably wrong.  That said, the actual point of this thread was to offer a tuned WF evasion pally to share what I have been working on and to hopefully glean some good ideas for refinement from the comments.  I knew coming in that this last item (getting helpful comments) was questionable.

Back to the feat question, I would think that improved grazing hits would be worthwhile for the 3 feats (and improved somewhat by the WF enhancement line - assuming it works).  As pointed out, it is worth thinking about some spellcasting feats, with quicken being the obv first choice, and considering maximize, emp healing, and extend.  That said, because this build is going for a damage focus, and won't be relying too much on spells (aside from the obv pally self buffs and top off healing), I'm inclined to stick with the THF feats since they seem to each increase weapon damage against the target mob by 10%(ish, obv there are several factors here, including triggered effects which proc at a different rate), as well as quadrupling the splash damage (glancing blows) to non-targeted mobs.  I could certainly be wrong about how THF feats work here, since I have never run a THF character - despite having some very good THF weapons ready to go, although the feats seem pretty straightforward at face value.  Spending these 3 feats to instead (basically) improve my healing capability seems interesting, but I think that for any content worth running at endgame, I would be more useful to a party if I was focused instead on DPS, since any group that can complete epic elites will almost always have a dedicated healer (or 3).  Also, even if I took all 4 spellcasting feats as noted above, my healing ability wouldn't be all that strong.  I have run healing spec'd bards to cap in the past, and while they can keep up a strong group doing a normal shroud run, they are sorely lacking for harder content since in most cases they quickly run out of sp (spamming mass cures) and/or can't keep up w/ the damage - and most importantly, a pally's healing ability can't begin to touch the healing of a bard, so I just don't see why it would be worth 3-4 feats just to turn a poor spell based healing ability into a mediocre spell based healing ability.

Lay on hands is a solid "oh shit" button anyways, and w/ high CHA, UMD, and gear, I will be able to pretty easily no-fail healing scrolls.

The point of this build is not to be my final life (caster Cleric is actually the long term plan here if I ever get completionist + 3x wiz/fvs/sorc PLs), but more to have a strong character from 1-20 (and beyond) to earn the PL while setting myself up to be the best I can be at endgame so I can level some destinies, farm some gear for my 5th life (likely wiz, but possibly barb), and get to play a new (to me) type of character while keeping all my shiny.

random110 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 6:21am:


Correct, I edit my posts so i don't have to stretch out a reply over the space of 3 new posts, thanks for missing the fucking point.

Mr Poop wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 6:15am:


THF only boosts your glancing blow damage. There are two scenario's where you get glancing blows now.

1. When you miss on a roll of 2 or more
2. When you are standing still.

This means:
If you've built/geared/buffed your toon well, you won't miss.
If you are moving you don't get glancing blows on the mobs infront of you.
granted you're not building a good toon so ignore this advice
Spending 3 feats on missing / standing still is a fucking terrible idea.

Given that you don't want to invest in self healing feats, try making use of your +3 dex tome and pick up the 2wf line instead.
If Warforged - 16/14/16/9/6/15 (drop balance, you won't need it much anyway)
If you prefer a good race though
If Human - 16/14/16/10/8/15 (no change to your skills)


Your wall of text didn't indicate that you've learned why w/f evasion paladins are a bad choice yet.
I'll help spell it out since i'm getting bored.

- going light armor human, you can pick up quicken and a healing feat, whilst still having 3 dps feats.

- who gives a fuck about w/f immunites resistances when paladins can cast spells / get them from prestiges.

- the warforged great weapon aptitude is, was, and will always be a broken enhancement

- you've grossly over estimated your heal amp @ 182%, with your listed gear and ship buffs: not hotd you have 137%, if hotd you have 178%. (with same ap costs, if human 205%, 267%)

Mr Poop wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 12:28pm:


If you want to play a WF melee, I'd suggest that you exchange 16 lvls of pally to sorc... maybe also switch your monk levels to rogue to make a Tukaw build.
With the upcoming changes to Tenser's Transformation this week, it might be the next FotM.

TheFifthSock wrote on Sep 10^th, 2012 at 4:47am:


Wouldn't it be better to go wizard18/rogue2 instead of sorc16/paladin2/rogue2? With insightful reflexes you still get a nice save and you get two more caster levels out of it.

And, you know, level 9 spells might be nice.