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Alex DeLarge Epic Poster Offline Get ready for some of the 'ol in-out, in-out Posts: 3489 Location: Foggy Albion Joined: May 11^th, 2013 Gender:	18/2 paladin/monk - 36 pt - Human May 17^th, 2013 at 3:30am	Print Post
	Greetings, all! I have plans to TR into Paladin DoS III with /2 Monk splash. However, I do not wish this build to be yet another one of those evasionist tanks with miserable dps. The purpose of this build is to squeeze every last drop of DPS from a Pally, while also maintaining decent EH raid/ EE quests tank ability. There are many feats to choose from, but so far I narrowed down to this list: Toughness, PA, CE, 3xTHF, IC:slashing, Cleave, Great Cleave, Dodge, SM, ISM, EWP: B.Swords, Tower shield proficiency, OC:slashing, E.toughness, Bulwark of Defense My choices are heavily influenced towards DPS: 1. Gen:THF, Hum:PA, Monk:Tough 3. G: Cleave 6. G: Gr.Cleave 9. G:IC: Slashing 11. M: CE 12. G: ITHF 15. G: GTHF 18. G: EWP:Bastard sword 21. E: OC:Slashing 24. E: E.Tough Of course there are many other specifics to discuss such as max AC, max PRR, max dodge achievable in light armor. If someone could help me out with calculations that would be great. Assume Flawless White Dragonhide w/ slotted PRR. Here's what I planned for stat spread: Str:16+6lvl+4tome+1exc+8item+3ins= 38 unbuffed (50-52 w/ buffs) Dex:13+3tome+1exc+8item+3ins= 28 unbuffed (30-32 w/ buffs) Con:17+4tome+1exc+7item+2ins= 31 unbuffed (40-42 w/buffs) Int:10+3tome+1exc= 14 unbuffed Wis:8+3tome+1exc+6item= 18 unbuffed Cha:14+4tome+1exc+8+2ins= 29 unbuff (32-34) Nothing is set in stone however, I am open for everyone's suggestions. TIA


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NOTdarth Puppy Farmer Offline Save the Planet, Kill Yourself Posts: 1495 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: 18/2 paladin/monk - 36 pt - Human Reply #1 - May 17^th, 2013 at 4:16am	Print Post
	Alex DeLarge wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 3:30am: The purpose of this build is to squeeze every last drop of DPS from a Pally You should blame your parents. Successfull tank splits: 20 monk 18 mnk/2 pal 12 mnk/8 ftr 12 mnk/6 ftr/2 pal 12 mnk/6 pal/2 ftr 12 mnk/6 rgr/2 pal You can thank me later. Oh any btw, they all use handwraps.
	« Last Edit: May 17^th, 2013 at 4:17am by NOTdarth »

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Alex DeLarge Epic Poster Offline Get ready for some of the 'ol in-out, in-out Posts: 3489 Location: Foggy Albion Joined: May 11^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: 18/2 paladin/monk - 36 pt - Human Reply #2 - May 17^th, 2013 at 5:33am	Print Post
	NOTdarth wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 4:16am: You should blame your parents. Thanks for the sovet, churka! NOTdarth wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 4:16am: 12 mnk/6 ftr/2 pal 12 mnk/6 pal/2 ftr I also forgot to mention that I need pally past lives on main char, and that I have all my wraps and pajamas on my monk alt who will TR into one of the builds mentioned above.


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NOTdarth Puppy Farmer Offline Save the Planet, Kill Yourself Posts: 1495 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: 18/2 paladin/monk - 36 pt - Human Reply #3 - May 17^th, 2013 at 5:55am	Print Post
	I used 9mnk/2rgr as my pally PL platform with 10k and manyshot. If you have +5 heart you can use 14 sorc platform. Why the fuck would you take 2 monk levels and not use wraps? Why the fuck wouldn't you put points in wisdom for stunning fist DC and AC? Why the fuck would you put more than 2 points into cha if it's a PL build? And most improtantly why the fuck would you take more pally levels than you need for the PL?


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Alex DeLarge Epic Poster Offline Get ready for some of the 'ol in-out, in-out Posts: 3489 Location: Foggy Albion Joined: May 11^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: 18/2 paladin/monk - 36 pt - Human Reply #4 - May 17^th, 2013 at 6:26am	Print Post
	NOTdarth wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 5:55am: And most improtantly why the fuck would you take more pally levels than you need for the PL? You hatred for Paladins knows no bounds Anyway, the reason I want more pally levels is to see DoS III in action. Past lives are needed but not immediately, I will also be doing alt TRs.


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Ewilan Waterworks Kobold Offline Posts: 110 Location: DDO Joined: May 4^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: 18/2 paladin/monk - 36 pt - Human Reply #5 - May 17^th, 2013 at 6:46am	Print Post
	you only need a tank for EELOB and it's not been worth running since motu (well I suppose for favor and fun...). So unless you like S&B gameplay, there are more efficient splashes out there check out the pyrene, it's not using a sword and board build though.. but it's got the defense aspect (no fail saves, 69 PRR, evasion, 1000HP+ sustainable, great dps, most efficient melee build out there imo atm), although i have no clue how the enh. pass is going to affect it, didn't go on lam.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: 18/2 paladin/monk - 36 pt - Human Reply #6 - May 17^th, 2013 at 6:48am	Print Post
	NOTdarth wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 5:55am: And most improtantly why the fuck would you take more pally levels than you need for the PL? Because I'm using a box and want hunter of the dead 3 when i farm out necro iv and litany for 2 hours before i cap, lr and TR out of that gimped life?

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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: 18/2 paladin/monk - 36 pt - Human Reply #7 - May 17^th, 2013 at 6:56am	Print Post
	Alex DeLarge wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 3:30am: My choices are heavily influenced towards DPS: 1. Gen:THF, Hum:PA, Monk:Tough 3. G: Cleave 1. Take cleave at level 1, toughness at 3. 2. Depending on your weapons and preferred tanking ED, Daxe's may be better than bastard swords. 3. If you really wanna tank EE lob, you'll want more intim than your current feat list allows, swap toughness and epic toughness for Barb past life / skill focus intim 4. if you splash 2 fighter instead of 2monk, you'll don't need to waste a feat on tower shields. 5. if you want an evasive tank, have a monk icon.
	« Last Edit: May 17^th, 2013 at 6:58am by Munkenmo »
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NOTdarth Puppy Farmer Offline Save the Planet, Kill Yourself Posts: 1495 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: 18/2 paladin/monk - 36 pt - Human Reply #8 - May 17^th, 2013 at 7:12am	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 6:48am: Because I'm using a box and want hunter of the dead 3 when i farm out necro iv and litany for 2 hours before i cap, lr and TR out of that gimped life? I approve of this.


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Alex DeLarge Epic Poster Offline Get ready for some of the 'ol in-out, in-out Posts: 3489 Location: Foggy Albion Joined: May 11^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: 18/2 paladin/monk - 36 pt - Human Reply #9 - May 17^th, 2013 at 7:51am	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 6:56am: 1. Take cleave at level 1, toughness at 3. 2. Depending on your weapons and preferred tanking ED, Daxe's may be better than bastard swords. 3. If you really wanna tank EE lob, you'll want more intim than your current feat list allows, swap toughness and epic toughness for Barb past life / skill focus intim 4. if you splash 2 fighter instead of 2monk, you'll don't need to waste a feat on tower shields. 5. if you want an evasive tank, have a monk icon. Thank you, Munkenmo. All very good points. 2) Daxes would be an interesting choice If I was going for dwarf, but human's heal amp is more appealing obviously plus I have all DR breaking B.Sword blanks I will craft. That being said, I will be using THF 90-95% of the time with eAGA, Drow GAs, Cleaver, Skybreaker, eSoS (shard be darned), Sireth etc etc. And switch to Tank mode with Un.Sentinel only when absolutely necessary. 3) Good catch on Intim skills, luckily I have Barb PL, so I will make appropriate adjustments. EE Adq is more appealing than EE LoB and easiest with Intim tank . 4) Except I don't want to re-craft all the light dragon hides to heavy armor, plus evasion with 60+ saves is just so enjoyable. 5) I am planning to have just that, only on my monk alt. Once he's done gearing up, I will TR him into 12mnk/6ftr/2pal build. All in all, your feedback is great


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Alex DeLarge Epic Poster Offline Get ready for some of the 'ol in-out, in-out Posts: 3489 Location: Foggy Albion Joined: May 11^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: 18/2 paladin/monk - 36 pt - Human Reply #10 - May 17^th, 2013 at 7:59am	Print Post
	Ewilan wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 6:46am: you only need a tank for EELOB and it's not been worth running since motu (well I suppose for favor and fun...). So unless you like S&B gameplay, there are more efficient splashes out there check out the pyrene, it's not using a sword and board build though.. but it's got the defense aspect (no fail saves, 69 PRR, evasion, 1000HP+ sustainable, great dps, most efficient melee build out there imo atm), although i have no clue how the enh. pass is going to affect it, didn't go on lam. Thanks for the build link, it looks interesting for unarmed, harmonious balance kinda guy. Great build all in all, but now what I want for this toon. My toon will be using Two-handed weapons most of the time, only switch to S&B (with U.Sentinel) when a tank needs to rise to the occasion


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Ewilan Waterworks Kobold Offline Posts: 110 Location: DDO Joined: May 4^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: 18/2 paladin/monk - 36 pt - Human Reply #11 - May 17^th, 2013 at 8:12am	Print Post
	the pyrene is THF focused. It's actually horrible for unarmed, very little benefits. I posted 2 videos of the build in action, one when I capped at level 20 with esos, another when fully geared soloing eeda with cleaver (should give you a solid idea of what the gameplay looks like). Splash is 14 paly / 4 ranger / 2 monk or 15/3/2 if you don't have comp. For me, it was a lot of fun as it is clickie intensive.


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Alex DeLarge Epic Poster Offline Get ready for some of the 'ol in-out, in-out Posts: 3489 Location: Foggy Albion Joined: May 11^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: 18/2 paladin/monk - 36 pt - Human Reply #12 - May 17^th, 2013 at 8:44am	Print Post
	Ewilan wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 8:12am: the pyrene is THF focused. It's actually horrible for unarmed, very little benefits. Yeah, I just read through the build. It is quite interesting. Everybody is trying to incorporate ranged option with manyshot these days


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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: 18/2 paladin/monk - 36 pt - Human Reply #13 - May 17^th, 2013 at 10:11am	Print Post
	I even fit manyshot in my S&B SD. There's no reason not to. And yes, the current game makes "tanks" and "tanking" pretty much pointless. My S&B isn't anything near a tank anymore, haven't been in Unyielding in 6 months and I cut CE for Manyshot.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: 18/2 paladin/monk - 36 pt - Human Reply #14 - May 17^th, 2013 at 6:21pm	Print Post
	Alex DeLarge wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 7:51am: 2) Daxes would be an interesting choice If I was going for dwarf, but human's heal amp is more appealing obviously plus I have all DR breaking B.Sword blanks I will craft. That being said, I will be using THF 90-95% of the time with eAGA, Drow GAs, Cleaver, Skybreaker, eSoS (shard be darned), Sireth etc etc. And switch to Tank I was more thinking since you're spending a feat on an exotic proficiency anyway, dwarven axes and headmans chop in LD is a pretty nice combination. I definitely wouldn't advocate going dwarf either.

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AtomicMew Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2073 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011	Re: 18/2 paladin/monk - 36 pt - Human Reply #15 - May 17^th, 2013 at 7:10pm	Print Post
	I would avoid tank-spec, as there is no real use for it with the way things are now.� A pyrene type build is a very solid self sufficient THF dps platform.� If you wanted to do a self-sufficient TWF/daxes, I don't think paladin offers any good synergy there.� I think you'd be best off looking towards ranger tempest.� Of course, not as high DPS as fighter kensai, but ranger offers free ranged feats and the self sufficiency that makes pyrene/juggernaut so popular. 14 is the breakpoint for CSW, but 15 is another good breakpoint.� You could do something like 15 ranger/3 monk/2 paladin.�
	« Last Edit: May 17^th, 2013 at 7:11pm by AtomicMew »

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Alex DeLarge Epic Poster Offline Get ready for some of the 'ol in-out, in-out Posts: 3489 Location: Foggy Albion Joined: May 11^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: 18/2 paladin/monk - 36 pt - Human Reply #16 - May 18^th, 2013 at 1:55am	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on May 17^th, 2013 at 6:21pm: dwarven axes and headmans chop in LD is a pretty nice combination I figured that you were talking about Headman's chop when I was messing around in EDs. Personally, I decided to drop it in order to even out damage across swords and axes. This is one of the main reasons I prefer Barbarian to Fighter because switching weapons on the go without losing chunks of DPS is good. As a pally there are way too many goodies in LD destiny: between ICE, IPA, MS, LW, Haste, Dev.Crit, Adv.Blows, and Epic moment my points are spread thin. btw, thanks for pointing out the feats: Barb PL+SF:Intimidate this is a brilliant set up to get 100+ intimidate


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