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Reply #125 - Aug 14th, 2014 at 7:50pm
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FTL wrote on Aug 14th, 2014 at 7:21pm:
How would one go about checking/testing this?

2 levels of druid on any non ranger class. Dont take any 2wf feats. make sure all doublestrike is set to 0%. go into wolf form and count if any attacks are hitting twice.
  

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Reply #126 - Aug 14th, 2014 at 8:33pm
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FTL wrote on Aug 14th, 2014 at 7:21pm:
I would imagine it is 80% since the whole TWF is bugged for animal forms. How would one go about checking/testing this?


make a new vet status toon, easist would be pure druid.

Take no twf feats, get no enhancements, no double strike feats.  (safest bet would be to just pick meta magics at level 1 & 3) and make sure you have no buffs.

get :
handwraps
2 * 1 handed weapon
1 * 2 handed weapon.

Go into wolf form do the following tests:
Equip wraps hit training dummy, look to see if there's a single attack that procs twice

Repeat test with 2 * 1 handed weapons equipped.
Repeat test with 1 * 1 handed weapon equipped.
Repeat test with 1 * 2 handed weapon equipped.

If wolves do get off hand procs without the 2wf feats, it should in theory happen approximately once every 5 attacks. 

If you don't get any attacks that proc twice within a minute you could conclude that the 2wf feats are required in order to get off hand procs.

the bolded 1 * 1 handed weapon is what interests me the most so I can keep theory crafting around swf & 2wf.
  

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Re: Pastlifenmo Melee template
Reply #127 - Aug 14th, 2014 at 8:39pm
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FTL wrote on Aug 14th, 2014 at 7:21pm:
Myself and a guildy have been talking about Iconic lives since you the Iconic PL and PL for the class you are (e.g Rogue). So with that in mind would the template work well for doing all the Iconic lives too? Obviously you have to take specific classes as level 1 but other than that you can take whatever you want. I really really don't like the thought of having to acquire more gear for when I get to Iconic lives


I've looked into druid iconics a couple of times and have come up with builds, but none are as optimized as a human build:

eg. - shadarkai get no bonus feat & no extra skill point
- PDK forces you to take a low BAB fighter feat earlier than you may have intended and prevents access to metamagics at level 1.  ie. Taking 3 melee feats at level 1 sucks (power attack, cleave & twf).
- Morning lords suck ass.
- Bladeforged require 2* LR's & an alignment change as Paladins cannot cross class with druids.
  

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Reply #128 - Aug 14th, 2014 at 10:36pm
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Yeah I was afraid of that... oh well I have a mountain to climb before I really start thinking about Iconic lives Smiley

As for the testing I will see about getting a toon made early next week (got a busy weekend) and will see about posting the results unless somebody else wants to do it *cough* Munk *cough* Cheesy
  
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Reply #129 - Aug 14th, 2014 at 11:35pm
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FTL wrote on Aug 14th, 2014 at 10:36pm:
*cough* Munk *cough*


I don't actually play anymore, I'd have to download the game and pay a months sub, or more likely download Lam next time it comes up.
  

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Reply #130 - Aug 17th, 2014 at 10:39pm
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Aw man that's a bummer... oh well worth a thought.
  
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Reply #131 - Aug 18th, 2014 at 9:48pm
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Following this build for fighter past life. I have GS kamas already made. If I use 1 in my on hand, would my Kensai focus be martial art or would it be Druidic in wolf form?
Any other suggestions for feats in fighter (weapon focus/ specialization or swf?
  
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Reply #132 - Aug 19th, 2014 at 9:21pm
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Scruffy Murphy wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 9:48pm:
Following this build for fighter past life. I have GS kamas already made. If I use 1 in my on hand, would my Kensai focus be martial art or would it be Druidic in wolf form?
Any other suggestions for feats in fighter (weapon focus/ specialization or swf?


At level 12 pick up improved crit bludgeoning as a fighter feat, and take natural fighting.

Pick up G2WF as a fighter bonus feat between at 13 or 15, allowing you to pick up natural fighting as your level 15 slot.

You wouldn't qualify for kensai t5 until level 19 anyway, so save the feats on weapon focuses and get t5 in natures warrior for the cleave & 5% chance at heal amp, or get t5 in Seasons herald for the crown.

Kensai won't play nice with animal form unless you have wraps equipped.  Just grab hasteboost, extra action boosts & possibly tactical DC's then ignore the tree.
  

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Reply #133 - Sep 12th, 2014 at 4:26am
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Hey Munk just wanted to drop by and say a massive thanks again for all your help with this template. I have used it now for a half dozen or so lives now and it's beyond crazy good... it's fucking ridiculous in fact!

One thing that really did surprise me though was I did a Monk not too long ago and the +1 damage from the PL makes a difference at low levels! I really thought I wouldn't see it but it's there all right Smiley
  
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Reply #134 - Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:47pm
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Any thoughts about iconics with this? I've got three PDK lives to burn, and other then switching some of the leveling orders, I would think it would be fine to grind out 3 fighter lives.
  
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Reply #135 - Sep 26th, 2014 at 7:47pm
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It could work with iconics, I'm not generally a big fan of them though:

Having to take 3 feats at level 1, without meta magics being an option leaves you wasting feat slots, or wasting stat points because of the lack of BAB and stats you'll have.

With the changes coming to MRR and PRR for iconic lives I think you'll wind up better off ditching monk and going for a heavy armor S&B wolf.

In heroics I don't see the changes as being an issue, but in epic armored / shielded builds are getting too big a boost to pass up.
  

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Reply #136 - Sep 26th, 2014 at 9:09pm
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Clew wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:47pm:
Any thoughts about iconics with this? I've got three PDK lives to burn, and other then switching some of the leveling orders, I would think it would be fine to grind out 3 fighter lives.

I did 9mnk/9ftr/2drdx2, and a 9d/9frt/2mnk for my ftr lives, all pdk. Liked 2 druid better for imp evasion, better saves, shadow form, and run speed.
  

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I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Reply #137 - Sep 27th, 2014 at 1:15pm
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Im doing pdk now for druid pl, went 9 druid, 8 monk, 3 ftr.
Will do ee in a bit, took quicken instead of dragonmark.
Could have gone 10 druid, 9 monk, 1 ftr now that I think about it, 2 more ftr doesnt give me much.
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Reply #138 - Sep 28th, 2014 at 6:52am
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Mo, since tomorrow they're putting 30% for trap bonuses, do you think it's worth it to do a different base split with trapping skills for past lives?

Another q is swf line currently better to take than the twf line?
  

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Reply #139 - Sep 28th, 2014 at 6:58am
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NOTdarth wrote on Sep 28th, 2014 at 6:52am:
Mo, since tomorrow they're putting 30% for trap bonuses, do you think it's worth it to do a different base split with trapping skills for past lives?

Another q is swf line currently better to take than the twf line?


Aside from a couple of exceptions, traps could have been given a 100% bonus and I wouldn't bother with them.  But with a 30% boost it's probably worth opening a "I'll zerg quests whilst you get us trap bonuses" lfm

As for SWF: in heroics, I don't think so, the con op off hand is so damned useful.

In epics, possibly, I didn't get round to testing bugged wolf permutations.
  

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Reply #140 - Sep 28th, 2014 at 8:01am
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So far wolf is much better than swf bard I did, both in ld.
  
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Reply #141 - Sep 28th, 2014 at 8:53am
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NOTdarth wrote on Sep 28th, 2014 at 6:52am:
is swf line currently better to take than the twf line

No. If it's just one or the other, i would go g2wf. The thing with swf in wolf form is it doesnt give the stat 100%(50% come monday) damage bonus. With g2wf your main hand is hitting an extra 70%~ then doublestrike for main hand kicks in on top of that.
  

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Reply #142 - Sep 28th, 2014 at 9:00am
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Rubbinns wrote on Sep 28th, 2014 at 8:53am:
The thing with swf in wolf form is it doesnt give the stat 100%(50% come monday) damage bonus.

Source?
  

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NOTdarth wrote on Sep 28th, 2014 at 9:00am:
Source?

me ;p
  

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Reply #144 - Sep 29th, 2014 at 8:28am
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Rubbinns wrote on Sep 28th, 2014 at 8:53am:
No. If it's just one or the other, i would go g2wf. The thing with swf in wolf form is it doesnt give the stat 100%(50% come monday) damage bonus. With g2wf your main hand is hitting an extra 70%~ then doublestrike for main hand kicks in on top of that.


Yes, the stat damage boost never worked in wolf form anyway. Just the speed boost.
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Reply #145 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 8:03am
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Ok Mo, nitpick this SWF template:

Heavy-Non-Metal Druid

Race: Human
Alignment: True Neutral
Class: 8 Druid / 4 Fighter / 8 Pastlife

Stats:..........Level 1
Strength..........18 + levels
Dexterity.........14
Constitution......16
Intelligence.......8
Wisdom............12
Charisma...........8

Level Progression/Feats
Level 1 (Druid 1)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Cleave

Level 2 (Druid 2)
Feat: (Druid Bonus) Wolf Form
Level 3 (Druid 3)
Feat: (Selected) Single Weapon Fighting
Level 4 (Druid 4)
Ability Raise: Str
Level 5 (Druid 5)
Level 6 (Fighter 1)
Feat: (Selected) Lesser Dragonmark
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave

Level 7 (Druid 6)
Level 8 (Druid 7)

Ability Raise: Str
Level 9 (Druid 8)
Feat: (Druid Bonus) Winter Wolf
Feat: (Selected) ISWF

Level 10 (Fighter 2)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Level 11 (Fighter 3)
Level 12 (Fighter 4)

Ability Raise: Str
Feat: (Selected) Shield Mastery
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Shield Mastery

Lvl 13 (Pastlife 1)
Lvl 14 (Pastlife 2)
Lvl 15 (Pastlife 3)
Feat: (Selected) GSWF
Lvl 16 (Pastlife 4)
Ability Raise: Str
Lvl 17 (Pastlife 5)
Lvl 18 (Pastlife 6)

Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing
Lvl 19 (Pastlife 7)
Lvl 20 (Pastlife 8)

Ability Raise: Str


Enhancements


Nature's Warrior
1      Core 1
3      Aggravate
1      Extra Wild Empathy
1      Core 2
3      Vengeful hunter
1      Hide of the crocodile
1      Reaving Roar
1      Core 3
3      Fatal Harrier

Stalwart Defender
1      Core 1
3      Durable Defense
3      Stalwart Defensive Mastery (filler)
1      Core 2
3      Resilient Defense
3      Strong Defense
2      Ability: Strength
3      Armor Expertise (filler)
1      Instinctive Defense (filler)
1      Swift Defense
            
Kensei
1      Core 1
3      Haste Boost
            
Human
1      Core 1 (damage)
2      STR
1      Dragonmark of Focus
2      Recovery
2      Lesser Dragonmark
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Reply #146 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 9:50am
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There's nothing wrong with that really. A heavy build like that will have a lot of hp and a reasonable prr / mrr, but it's heroics, useful evasion scores are easy to come by and mobs don't hit that hard.

Personally in heroics I'd rather have frozen tunic, evasion, quick recall, stunning fist, 2wf (healing amp off hand) and 2 level 5 spells (Panacea / Cure crit).

I'd probably consider it for barb lives, but I'd likely stick with 9druid.
  

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Reply #147 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 1:31pm
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The SWF build will probably work also as a PDK iconic.
  
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Reply #148 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 5:01pm
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For sure, PDK.
  
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Reply #149 - Nov 10th, 2014 at 6:27pm
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What i was going for is the stupid survivability combined with the DPS while i can neglect saves and easilly make up for them up with prr/mrr, and can take the build in EEs later in case i feel like it.

Thanks for checking it.
  

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