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Re: Pastlifenmo Melee template
Reply #25 - Aug 19th, 2013 at 6:02am
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Reaving roar has gone from 13d6 to 9d6.

But now i can pick up reaving roar and Crown of summer at the same time.

I'll be sticking with this as a template, there are probably other good options now, but I know this build well.
  
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Reply #26 - Oct 9th, 2013 at 8:41pm
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updated for u19 and twf.
  
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Reply #27 - Oct 10th, 2013 at 12:26pm
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Do you find you're going T5 on nature's warrior more or other builds?

And once again if anyone could test this: does thief acrobatics work in wolf form?
  
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Reply #28 - Oct 10th, 2013 at 4:15pm
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The rest of my AP depends on the past life.  Natures warrior is definitely a good choice till level 17 though.
  
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Re: Pastlifenmo Melee template
Reply #29 - Oct 10th, 2013 at 6:52pm
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tachyon wrote on Oct 10th, 2013 at 12:26pm:
And once again if anyone could test this: does thief acrobatics work in wolf form?



Quick Strike and Sweeping Strike cannot be used in wolf or bear form. you get an "You do not meet the requirements," message.  That's all I can confirm (I made a Shadar-kai Acrobat/Druid/monk) but it would lead me to believe that the rest don't either.

Incidentally, the spiked chain thing works in animal form. 

And looks utterly silly.
  
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Re: Pastlifenmo Melee template
Reply #30 - Oct 13th, 2013 at 10:10am
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Munkenmo wrote on Oct 9th, 2013 at 8:41pm:
updated for u19 and twf.


[curious] What do you do now that TWF doesn't work with animal form any more?  [/curious]
  
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Re: Pastlifenmo Melee template
Reply #31 - Oct 13th, 2013 at 3:26pm
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Persiflage wrote on Oct 13th, 2013 at 10:10am:
[curious] What do you do now that TWF doesn't work with animal form any more?  [/curious]

Either play a Druid in Elemental form or some other class altogether.
  
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Re: Pastlifenmo Melee template
Reply #32 - Oct 13th, 2013 at 3:37pm
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Arkat wrote on Oct 13th, 2013 at 3:26pm:
Either play a Druid in Elemental form or some other class altogether.


No. This leveling build was started before the twf bug. Twf gives it a boost but for a leveling build it is fun/sufficient without considering elemental or other class.

Also suggesting elemental form is stupid. This build is to gather past lives hence the name pastlifenmo. Elemental from would need majority levels druid.
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Reply #33 - Oct 13th, 2013 at 4:01pm
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Persiflage wrote on Oct 13th, 2013 at 10:10am:
[curious] What do you do now that TWF doesn't work with animal form any more?  [/curious]


Last I checked TWF is still working in wolf forms.

Once it no longer works, I'll change the leveling order slightly and update the build.
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Reply #34 - Oct 13th, 2013 at 4:13pm
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Arkat wrote on Oct 13th, 2013 at 3:26pm:
Either play a Druid in Elemental form or some other class altogether.


You should refrain from comments like this during your  "Sarlonans are stupid" phase.
  
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Reply #35 - Oct 13th, 2013 at 4:16pm
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Munkenmo wrote on Oct 13th, 2013 at 4:13pm:
You should refrain from comments like this during your  "Sarlonans are stupid" phase.

Sorry, I took Persiflage's word that TWF wasn't working in animal form any more.
  
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Re: Pastlifenmo Melee template
Reply #36 - Oct 13th, 2013 at 4:24pm
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Arkat wrote on Oct 13th, 2013 at 4:16pm:
Sorry, I took Persiflage's word that TWF wasn't working in animal form any more.


Either way, elemental form isn't an option in this thread.
  
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Re: Pastlifenmo Melee template
Reply #37 - Oct 13th, 2013 at 4:25pm
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Arkat wrote on Oct 13th, 2013 at 4:16pm:
Sorry, I took Persiflage's word that TWF wasn't working in animal form any more.


Even then... it makes no sense for a lvling build.

Maybe you should move to Sarlona.
  
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Reply #38 - Oct 16th, 2013 at 5:02pm
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Arkat wrote on Oct 13th, 2013 at 4:16pm:
Sorry, I took Persiflage's word that TWF wasn't working in animal form any more.


And I'm sorry that I took a guildy's word that their almost-identical build had lost attacks from TWF since the last patch.  Well damn.

I'm currently levelling this build with 2 Rogue in the mix, and I like it a lot.  What can I say, I just like having trap skills and evasion...  although now I know TWF is in fact working, the loss of feats vs. fighter is a lot more significant  :/
  
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Re: Pastlifenmo Melee template
Reply #39 - Oct 17th, 2013 at 11:32am
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I'm about to use this to get 3 x barb lives and rather than making a longwinded post with a bunch of questions I'll just post the build I threw together in the character planner and hope that someone will be kind enough to point out the weak areas. All skills/enhancements are complete guess-work, I'll be resetting frequently and trying out different stuff.

If you need a tl;dr the main difference is that I really didn't want to give up the extra feats (ddoor clicky is amazeballs) so I went 4 fighter in order to still be able to pick up stunning blow as well, so is it a major issue not to take level 9 druid?

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Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 04.19.02

Barblifenmo
Level 20 Chaotic Neutral Human Male
(4 Fighter \ 8 Barbarian \ 8 Druid)
Hit Points: 370
Spell Points: 466
BAB: 18\18\23\28\28
Fortitude: 22
Reflex: 10
Will: 12

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(36 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             18                    29
Dexterity            15                    20
Constitution         15                    22
Intelligence          9                    14
Wisdom               11                    16
Charisma              8                    13

Tomes Used
+5 Tome of Strength used at level 1
+5 Tome of Dexterity used at level 1
+5 Tome of Constitution used at level 1
+5 Tome of Intelligence used at level 1
+5 Tome of Wisdom used at level 1
+5 Tome of Charisma used at level 1

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    22
Bluff                 1                     1
Concentration         5                    30
Diplomacy             1                     1
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                1                     1
Heal                  3                    25
Hide                  5                     5
Intimidate            1                     1
Jump                 10                    23
Listen                3                     3
Move Silently         5                     5
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     2
Search                2                     2
Spellcraft            2                     2
Spot                  4                    20
Swim                  n/a                  n/a
Tumble                6                     6
Use Magic Device      3                    12

Level 1 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Cleave
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Monk
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 2 (Druid)


Level 3 (Druid)
Feat: (Selected) Least Dragonmark of Passage
Feat: (Druid Wild Shape) Wild Shape: Wolf


Level 4 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 5 (Druid)


Level 6 (Druid)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 7 (Druid)
Feat: (Druid Wild Shape) Wild Shape: Bear


Level 8 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons


Level 11 (Druid)


Level 12 (Druid)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama


Level 13 (Druid)
Feat: (Druid Wild Shape) Wild Shape: Winter Wolf


Level 14 (Barbarian)


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Barbarian)


Level 17 (Barbarian)


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Past Life: Disciple of the Fist


Level 19 (Barbarian)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Enhancement:Human - Human Versatility: Damage Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Human - Human Adaptability: Strength (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Human - Orien Dragonmark Focus (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Human - Improved Recovery (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Human - Lesser Dragonmark of Passage (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Nature's Warrior (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Instinctive Fighting (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Extra Wild Empathy (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Aggravate (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Aggravate (Rank 2)
Enhancement:Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Aggravate (Rank 3)
Enhancement:Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Vengeful Hunter (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Vengeful Hunter (Rank 2)
Enhancement:Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Vengeful Hunter (Rank 3)
Enhancement:Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Hide of the Crocodile (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Nature's Warrior (Drd) - Reaving Roar (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Ravager (Bar) - Furious Rage (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Ravager (Bar) - Pain Touch (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Ravager (Bar) - Demoralizing Success (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Ravager (Bar) - Do You Like Pain? (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Ravager (Bar) - Do You Like Pain? (Rank 2)
Enhancement:Ravager (Bar) - Do You Like Pain? (Rank 3)
Enhancement:Ravager (Bar) - Barbarian Power Attack (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Ravager (Bar) - Barbarian Power Attack (Rank 2)
Enhancement:Ravager (Bar) - Barbarian Power Attack (Rank 3)
Enhancement:Ravager (Bar) - I Like Pain (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Ravager (Bar) - I Like Pain (Rank 2)
Enhancement:Ravager (Bar) - I Like Pain (Rank 3)
Enhancement:Ravager (Bar) - Cruel Cut (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Ravager (Bar) - Cruel Cut (Rank 2)
Enhancement:Ravager (Bar) - Cruel Cut (Rank 3)
Enhancement:Ravager (Bar) - Slaughter (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Ravager (Bar) - Slaughter (Rank 2)
Enhancement:Ravager (Bar) - Slaughter (Rank 3)
Enhancement:Ravager (Bar) - Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Ravager (Bar) - Laughter (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Ravager (Bar) - I Hit Back! (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Ravager (Bar) - I Hit Back! (Rank 2)
Enhancement:Ravager (Bar) - I Hit Back! (Rank 3)
Enhancement:Ravager (Bar) - Constitution (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Ravager (Bar) - Bully (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Ravager (Bar) - Bully (Rank 2)
Enhancement:Ravager (Bar) - Bully (Rank 3)
Enhancement:Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Die Hard (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Die Harder (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Athletics (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Athletics (Rank 2)
Enhancement:Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Athletics (Rank 3)
Enhancement:Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Blood Tribute (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Blood Tribute (Rank 2)
Enhancement:Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Blood Tribute (Rank 3)
Enhancement:Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Extra Action Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Sprint Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Sprint Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement:Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Sprint Boost (Rank 3)
Enhancement:Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Blood Trail (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Blood Trail (Rank 2)
Enhancement:Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Blood Trail (Rank 3)
Enhancement:Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Supreme Cleave (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Supreme Cleave (Rank 2)
Enhancement:Frenzied Berserker (Bar) - Supreme Cleave (Rank 3)
Enhancement:Kensei (Ftr) - Kensei Focus: Martial Arts (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 1)
Enhancement:Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 2)
Enhancement:Kensei (Ftr) - Haste Boost (Rank 3)
  
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Re: Pastlifenmo Melee template
Reply #40 - Oct 17th, 2013 at 1:44pm
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You need 9 druid to qualify for the Natural Fighting feat.

Level five druid spells are pretty good, too, Cure Crit, Greater Vigor, Death Ward.

Are you taking kamas just because you have a bunch of kamas to use?  You could drop that for this life and just use scimitars, kamas are just to stay centered.

I think you'll want kensai focus: druidic weapons instead of martial arts, too.  Not that it matters much, but I'm not sure if it gives its bonus in animal form.
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Reply #41 - Oct 17th, 2013 at 1:55pm
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Starkjade wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 1:44pm:
You need 9 druid to qualify for the Natural Fighting feat.

Level five druid spells are pretty good, too, Cure Crit, Greater Vigor, Death Ward.

Are you taking kamas just because you have a bunch of kamas to use?  You could drop that for this life and just use scimitars, kamas are just to stay centered.


I kinda thought the natural fighting was pretty marginal by the time you hit 18 and that the monk past life would be pretty much the same in terms of dps increase (I believe monk unarmed damage increases now affects druid unarmed, correct me if I'm wrong), as well as provide an evasion clicky (not sure what I'd use this on tbh). The argument for the spells is a lot more compelling, given that I can't fit in empowered healing or maximise, and this was my main concern with the build. The reason to use Kamas is that they can be used across the next few past lives after the barb ones, allowing me to stay centred; I intend to do 3 fighter and (possibly if I can bring myself to) 3 paladin lives at some point, so this kinda makes sense financially (I'm not exactly DDO rich Cheesy)
  
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Reply #42 - Oct 17th, 2013 at 5:05pm
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totally wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 1:55pm:
I kinda thought the natural fighting was pretty marginal by the time you hit 18 and that the monk past life would be pretty much the same in terms of dps increase (I believe monk unarmed damage increases now affects druid unarmed, correct me if I'm wrong),


6% double strike marginal huh, 18's about the level where all your shit should be coming together, there's no other feats left that provide such a big dps increase.

Last I checked only +[w] effects animal form damage, monk die steps do not.

If you don't want ddoor, use my template and swap dragon mark for kama's.
  
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Reply #43 - Oct 17th, 2013 at 5:18pm
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trMunkenmo wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 5:05pm:
Last I checked only +[w] effects animal form damage, monk die steps do not.


Ah, ok, I'm really not that familiar with how animal form die steps work, so I'd happily drop this.

Munkenmo wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 5:05pm:
If you don't want ddoor, use my template and swap dragon mark for kama's.


That's just it, I do want to keep the ddoor clicky, but I don't want to give up cleave/great cleave/stunning blow, so what do?

EDIT: I have tried this build out on a vet7 build on another server by the way and loved it, so thanks monk for putting this together, it does rock, I'm just really anal about build optimising for my main. I imagine it'll be fine whatever I do.
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Re: Pastlifenmo Melee template
Reply #44 - Oct 17th, 2013 at 11:31pm
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It's just a barb pastlife right?

For optimal speed to 20 with dragonmarks :

follow the template:
level 4 fighter / twf
level 8 fighter / stunning blow
level 12 exotic weaps kama's:
level 15 ic bludgeon
level 18 gtwf

drop natural fighting.
  
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Reply #45 - Oct 17th, 2013 at 11:31pm
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btw whilst 2wf feats are working in animal forms, it's an incredibly good time to acquire ranger lives.
  
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Reply #46 - Oct 18th, 2013 at 5:22am
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Munkenmo wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 11:31pm:
It's just a barb pastlife right?

For optimal speed to 20 with dragonmarks :

follow the template:
level 4 fighter / twf
level 8 fighter / stunning blow
level 12 exotic weaps kama's:
level 15 ic bludgeon
level 18 gtwf

drop natural fighting.
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Ah. Makes sense. Perfect. Will be TRing tonight and hope to get a reasonable amount done with my TRing partner over the weekend.

Munkenmo wrote on Oct 17th, 2013 at 11:31pm:
tw whilst 2wf feats are working in animal forms, it's an incredibly good time to acquire ranger lives.


I know, I know. But I still don't have a pinion, and I might as well get the really boring lives out of the way while I can be bothered.
  
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Reply #47 - Oct 18th, 2013 at 6:14am
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Guys... animal form ignores profs. No need to waste a feat. Tested
  
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Reply #48 - Oct 18th, 2013 at 6:41am
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tachyon wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 6:14am:
Guys... animal form ignores profs. No need to waste a feat. Tested


You're an idiot.  Enjoy missing 25% of the time.
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Reply #49 - Oct 18th, 2013 at 12:23pm
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Munkenmo wrote on Oct 18th, 2013 at 6:41am:
You're an idiot.  Enjoy missing 25% of the time.



I almost never miss... but okay  Cry
  
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