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Jul 5th, 2013 at 5:29pm
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There's nothing radically different from Haek's original version, other than using dual Nightmares.

Warforged Lawful Neutral 16 Artificer/2 Monk/2 Ranger

18 STR (16 points) + 7 level ups + 5 tome + 5 primal scream + 8 item + 3 insightful + 1 exceptional + 4 alchemical + 2 yugo + 2 ship + 2 profane + 2 ED + 1 Echoes = 60
15 DEX (8 points) + 4 tome + 8 item + 1 exceptional + 4 alchemical + 2 ship + 2 yugo + 3 insightful + 1 ranger = 40
15 CON (8 points) + 2 Warforged + 5 tome + 8 item + 2 insightful + 1 exceptional + 2 Warforged enhancements + 5 Primal Scream + 2 yugo + 2 ship + 4 alchemical = 48
12 INT (4 points) + 4 tome + 1 exceptional + 7 INT + 2 ship = 26
8 WIS (0 points) - 2 Warforged + 4 tome + 1 exceptional + 7 item + 2 ship = 20
8 CHA (0 points) -2 Warforged + 4 tome + 1 exceptional + 2 ship +7 item = 20

1 (Artificer 1) Stunning Blow
2 (Monk 1: Power Attack)
3 (Monk 2: Toughness) Cleave
4 (Ranger 1: Bow Strength; Favored Enemy)
5 (Ranger 2: Rapid Shot, TWF)
6 (Artificer 2) Great Cleave
7 (Artificer 3)
8 (Artificer 4: Quicken)
9 (Artificer 5) Point Blank Shot
10 (Artificer 6)
11 (Artificer 7)
12 (Artificer 8: Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Bastard Sword) ITWF
13 (Artificer 9)
14 (Artificer 10)
15 (Artificer 11) GTWF
16 (Artificer 12: Precise Shot)
17 (Artificer 13)
18 (Artificer 14) Manyshot
19 (Artificer 15)
20 (Artificer 16: Improved Critical: Ranged)
21 Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic Toughness
27 Mithril Body

Fury of the Wild:
1: Strength (2), Primal Scream (3), Tunnel Vision (2)
2: Strength (2), Acute Instincts (3), Damage Reduction (3)
3:
4: Sense Weakness (3), Gird Against Demons (2)
5: Fury Eternal (2)
6: Unbridled Fury (2)

Twists (EE Quests): Brace for Impact, Legendary Tactics, Echoes of the Ancestors: Martial (Legendary Dreadnought).

Twists (EE FoT): Brace for Impact, Energy Sheath, Grim Precision

Twists (EE other raids): Brace for Impact, Unearthly Reactions, Grim Precision

Warforged (25):
1 Improved Fortification I
2 Warforged Constitution I
1 Improved Fortification II
2 Warforged Constitution II
6 Repair Systems III
6 Warforged Tactics
6 Improved Power Attack
1 Weapon Attachment

Battle Engineer (30):
1 Battle Engineer I
1 Infused Weapon I
2 Infused Armor I
1 Infused Weapon II
2 Field Engineer II (filler)
2 Hand and a Half Training I
2 Hand and a Half Training II
2 Hand and a Half Training III
2 Hand and a Half Training IV
6 Damage Boost III
4 Extra Action Boost II
2 Strength I
2 Strength II
1 Haste Boost

Tempest (15):
1 Shield of Whirling Steel I
2 Whirling Blades I
2 Whirling Blades II
2 Improved Reaction I
6 Improved Parry
2 Sprint Boost I

Arcane Archer (5):
1 Arcane Archer
2 Conjure Arrows
2 Flaming Arrows

5 AP unallocated

Stunning Blow: 10 + 10 item + 6 mastery item + 25 STR + 6 LD tactics + 1 Echoes of the Ancestors + 3 WF tactics + 1 fighter PL = 62

Weapon: Nightmare, the Fallen Moon x2
Trinket: Planar Focus of Prowess +3 STR
Gloves: EE Nether Grasps
Bracer: EE Bracers of Twisting Shadow
Belt: EH Girdle of Giant's Brawn (+8 STR, green slot: ???, colorless slot: +1 exceptional all)
Ring1: Master Artifice (green slot: Good Luck, colorless slot: +7 CHA)
Ring2: Dun'Robar (Stunning +10) for trash, Seal of House Avithoul +7 WIS for bosses
Boots: EE Treads of Falling Shadow (+8 DEX, +3 Insightful DEX, Ghostly, Striding 30%)
Head: EE Black Dragon +8 CON (green slot: 35 HP, yellow slot: +7 INT)
Cloak: Adamantine Cloak of the Bear (9 PRR, +6 Exceptional Combat Mastery, Protection +7) <-- Jeweled Cloak w/ 14 PRR for raids.
Necklace: Pendant of the Stormreaver (yellow: Vitality)
Goggles: EE Dream Visor (yellow: +2 Insightful CON)
Chest: Flawless Black Dragon Docent (blue: Heavy Fort)
Quiver: EE Quiver of Poison

PRR (Quests):
15 Artifact (Planar Conflux)
09 Enhancement (Adamantine Cloak of the Bear)
05 Infused Armor (Battle Engineer)
10 Tempest: Improved Parry III
14 Mithril Body
06 Damage Reduction (Fury of the Wild)
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58 PRR = 28% DR

PRR (Raids):
15 Artifact (Planar Conflux)
14 Enhancement (Augment)
05 Infused Armor (Battle Engineer)
10 Tempest: Improved Parry III
14 Mithril Body
06 Damage Reduction (Fury of the Wild)
===
63 PRR = 30% DR

Dodge:
08 Ring of House Dun'Robar
--
8% Dodge

HP:
0096 Artificer 16
0016 Monk 2
0016 Ranger 2
0080 Epic 8
0100 Fury of the Wild
0025 Heroic Durability (base)
0015 Improved Heroic Durability
0010 Draconic Vitality
0020 Yugoloth Potion (HP portion)
0532 CON 48 bonus
0035 False Life
0020 Vitality
0030 Toughness feat
0050 Epic Toughness feat
-----
1045
0020 Past Life: Barbarian x2 (optional)
----
1065

Saves F/R/W:
05/05/10 Artificer 16
03/03/03 Monk 2
03/03/00 Ranger 2
04/04/04 Epic 8
04/04/04 Morale (Greater Heroism)
02/02/02 Luck (Good Luck augment)
01/01/01 Competence (Eldritch Ritual)
01/01/01 Sacred (Blessing of the Three Dragons)
00/01/00 Armor of Speed/Haste
19/15/05 CON/DEX/WIS bonus
07/07/07 Resistance (Augment)
02/02/02 Brace for Impact
00/00/01 Acute Instincts (when raged)
00/00/02 Tunnel Vision
00/01/00 Improved Reaction I (Tempest)
00/00/-4 Yugo STR potion
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51/49/38

Artificer Repair Spell Power got nerfed to hell. On live Reconstruct heals for 435 in this gear setup, and on Lamannia with full Repair skill ranks I heal for 342. You're forced to take Mechanist III for +20% Repair effects. This bumps Reconstruct from 342 to 415.

The Toughness feats are overkill and can easily be replaced.  But with what? Dodge and Mobility for another 5% Dodge bonus?  Adept of Forms and Master of Forms for Mountain Stance crit/PRR?

Feedback welcome.  It definitely needs some tightening up.
  
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Re: U19 Juggernaut
Reply #1 - Jul 5th, 2013 at 6:11pm
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I'm kinda surprised you went with dual nightmares and mithral body over sireth and defensive strikes.

You really think the extra dps is worth the dodge and PRR you're giving up?

Things I've noticed:

- Your listed stat's don't match your stated spending (18, 15, 17, 12, 6, 6)
- Your also missing improved 2wf in that breakdown.

In your shoes.

At levels 12 and 15 i'd pick up t2 / t3 monk stances
at level 27 ditch mithral body in favor of zen archery./g

It's yet another sireth build, but you'll have more PRR, more dodge, better crit multiplier etc.
  

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Re: U19 Juggernaut
Reply #2 - Jul 5th, 2013 at 6:59pm
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Munkenmo wrote on Jul 5th, 2013 at 6:11pm:
I'm kinda surprised you went with dual nightmares and mithral body over sireth and defensive strikes.

You really think the extra dps is worth the dodge and PRR you're giving up?

It's more about the Life Stealing property of Nightmare more than anything else.  I think I'm addicted to the "woo" sound when it procs.  It's just too damn fun to neg level mobs. 

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Things I've noticed:

- Your listed stat's don't match your stated spending (18, 15, 17, 12, 6, 6)
- Your also missing improved 2wf in that breakdown.

The stats are pre-Warforged bonuses/penalties.  ITWF is at level 12.

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In your shoes.

At levels 12 and 15 i'd pick up t2 / t3 monk stances
at level 27 ditch mithral body in favor of zen archery./g

It's yet another sireth build, but you'll have more PRR, more dodge, better crit multiplier etc.

It's a good suggestion, though If I'm going to play a Sireth build I'd probably go with the U19 Staff Build I posted.  Shadow Veil is full of awesomeness, and the Jugg build can't come close to capping Dodge.
  
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Reply #3 - Jul 7th, 2013 at 12:54am
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Carpone wrote on Jul 5th, 2013 at 5:29pm:
Fury of the Wild:
1: Strength (2), Primal Scream (3), Tunnel Vision (2)
2: Strength (2), Acute Instincts (3), Damage Reduction (3)
3:
4: Sense Weakness (3), Gird Against Demons (2)
5: Fury Eternal (2)
6: Unbridled Fury (2)


Dump Gird against demons, take overwhelming force.  Makes targets helpless with no save.

A guildie of mine did this TWFin variant and it's awesome.  People underestimate the power of the woo-woo weapons.
  
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Reply #4 - Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:37am
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Bigjunk wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 12:54am:
Dump Gird against demons, take overwhelming force.  Makes targets helpless with no save.

A guildie of mine did this TWFin variant and it's awesome.  People underestimate the power of the woo-woo weapons.

Hadn't realized Overwhelming Force had finally been fixed.  For a while the knockdown only lasted 2 seconds even for ranks 2 and 3.
  
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Carpone wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 9:37am:
Hadn't realized Overwhelming Force had finally been fixed.  For a while the knockdown only lasted 2 seconds even for ranks 2 and 3.


It works as advertised and is awesome.
  
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Reply #6 - Jul 7th, 2013 at 11:18am
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There's a couple chinese on Sarlona with a shortsword/monkcher build w/Overwhelming Force, it's decently impressive.
  
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Reply #7 - Jul 7th, 2013 at 3:31pm
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cdr wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 11:18am:
There's a couple chinese on Sarlona with a shortsword/monkcher build w/Overwhelming Force, it's decently impressive.


Is it working with ranged or is it melee only as listed?
  
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Reply #8 - Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:02pm
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Glenalth wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 3:31pm:
Is it working with ranged or is it melee only as listed?


Melee only as far as I can tell. They spend most of their time in melee 2WF, whatever is being hit stays pretty much permanently flat on its back.
  
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Reply #9 - Jul 7th, 2013 at 5:46pm
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Glenalth wrote on Jul 7th, 2013 at 3:31pm:
Is it working with ranged or is it melee only as listed?


Melee only
  
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Reply #10 - Jul 18th, 2013 at 10:58pm
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Just a thought, but if you have a Dual Nightmares, how about a Pure Str Based Tempest, In Fury, with Cacoon, unbalancing strikes and one other twist.
Could really put those Nightmares to work.
  
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Reply #11 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 12:18pm
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I've got a dual Nightmares build.  Did you upgrade both of them?  I have one fully upgraded.  The other, I am trying to decide if it is worth the 25 comms to take it all the way to getting the red slot.
  
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Reply #12 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 2:09pm
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Hmm I have a pair of nightmares (I think, they're likely still in my TR cache if so - I have at least 1)  and a pair of balizardes. Maybe it's time to retire that eSOS and go back to TWF.
  
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Reply #13 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 3:27pm
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Carpone:  Are you using a character builder that includes new enhancements or is that something you typed out on your own and copy/pasted?
  

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Reply #14 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 4:52pm
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It's manually typed out.
  

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Reply #15 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 7:24pm
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Mokune wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 3:27pm:
Carpone:  Are you using a character builder that includes new enhancements or is that something you typed out on your own and copy/pasted?

I don't use character builders.  The popular one out there is a steaming pile of user experience failure.

I typically outline a character build with stats/feats/gear/saves/etc using DDO Wiki as a reference.  If I like what I see, then I build it on Lamannia to validate I didn't fuck anything up.  Much easier to do that these days with The Guide and The Dojo.

For the new enhancements, that's me sitting on Lamannia and transcribing it to a post.  DDO Wiki still isn't updated with the second round of enhancement changes.
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Reply #16 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 8:24pm
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you don't like rons planner or the online one?

personally i'm a big fan of rons planner.
  

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Reply #17 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 8:30pm
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Munkenmo wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 8:24pm:
you don't like rons planner or the online one?

personally i'm a big fan of rons planner.

Not a fan of Ron's planner.  Haven't seen an online planner that's been worth mentioning.
  
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Reply #18 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 8:41pm
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What would you do differently than Ron's?

I usually build in Excel and then run it through Ron's as a final check.
  
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Reply #19 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 9:14pm
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Carpone wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 7:24pm:
I don't use character builders.  The popular one out there is a steaming pile of user experience failure.

I typically outline a character build with stats/feats/gear/saves/etc using DDO Wiki as a reference.  If I like what I see, then I build it on Lamannia to validate I didn't fuck anything up.  Much easier to do that these days with The Guide and The Dojo.

For the new enhancements, that's me sitting on Lamannia and transcribing it to a post.  DDO Wiki still isn't updated with the second round of enhancement changes.


I agree with this, I find working in the character planners to be irritating and clunky, and I would much rather sit in front of a computer with a piece of paper and about 10 wiki tabs open scrawling down notes and crossing and crossing out again feats and skills and stats and gear to make a character (and yes I do this lol).......

Also I really like being able to read my builds on a piece of paper, I find it much easier to use one of my builds when it is on paper......
  

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Reply #20 - Jul 19th, 2013 at 9:44pm
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kierg10 wrote on Jul 19th, 2013 at 9:14pm:
Also I really like being able to read my builds on a piece of paper, I find it much easier to use one of my builds when it is on paper......


Me too. Planner + Printer = Build on Paper
  

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Reply #21 - Jul 20th, 2013 at 2:08am
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Now days I've got my own excel template setup, I'd never have gotten to this point without rons planner and the wiki over the past 4 years though.

I don't really bother printing out either, multiple screens makes it seem a bit redundant.
  

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Reply #22 - Jul 20th, 2013 at 4:19pm
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Seems like for a TWF build you'd be better served by going ranger tempest.  You could probably get similar survivability with decent healing amp and maximize critical.
  
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Reply #23 - Jul 20th, 2013 at 4:29pm
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Ah gotcha...

My character planner is typically ddowiki plus whatever scraps of flotsam scratch paper on my toolcart.

And typically don,t plan around any gear...what...so...ever

Planning around gear will absolutely guarantee I will not get it.
  

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Reply #24 - Jul 20th, 2013 at 7:03pm
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Munkenmo wrote on Jul 20th, 2013 at 2:08am:
Now days I've got my own excel template setup, I'd never have gotten to this point without rons planner and the wiki over the past 4 years though.

I don't really bother printing out either, multiple screens makes it seem a bit redundant.


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IMARANGER wrote on Jan 11th, 2014 at 6:12pm:
It is fairly natural to assume that the fair price for the pot is the fair value of the resources I needed to make the pot plus the fair value of my labor.

IMARANGER wrote on Jan 15th, 2014 at 4:56pm:
You were right this time, OnePercenter. 


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