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True Seeing changes. Which quests got F_o_S'ed?
Aug 21st, 2013 at 2:57am
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Which quests can you think of that were Feather_Of_Sun'ed up by the secret door changes?

Claw of Vulkoor - FoS'ed a bit (have to fight the giant now and eat the early traps)
Inferno of the Damned - FoS'ed completely (can't finish without a secret door). Can probably get it with true seeing but not with detect secret doors.
Litany of the Dead - FoS'ed up by the Inferno change (kinda fucked up to flag it now)
Accursed Ascension - FoS'ed up by Inferno
ADQ1 - two of the chests got FoS'ed up


What else?
  
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Reply #1 - Aug 21st, 2013 at 3:41am
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What no hireling for sale to get around this game mechanic improvement yet?
  
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Reply #2 - Aug 21st, 2013 at 8:45am
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Darth Anonymous wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 3:41am:
What no hireling for sale to get around this game mechanic improvement yet?


Rogue hirelings are level 21+ to protect stupid players from feeling butthurt.
  
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QuantumFX wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 8:45am:
Rogue hirelings are level 21+ to protect stupid players from feeling butthurt.


Or you could buy them in the store, don't forget! Cheesy
  
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Reply #4 - Aug 21st, 2013 at 11:19am
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whothefuckami wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 2:57am:
Which quests can you think of that were Feather_Of_Sun'ed up by the secret door changes?

Claw of Vulkoor - FoS'ed a bit (have to fight the giant now and eat the early traps)
Inferno of the Damned - FoS'ed completely (can't finish without a secret door). Can probably get it with true seeing but not with detect secret doors.
Litany of the Dead - FoS'ed up by the Inferno change (kinda fucked up to flag it now)
Accursed Ascension - FoS'ed up by Inferno
ADQ1 - two of the chests got FoS'ed up


What else?


The ADQ1 secret doors can be spotted with true seeing.
  
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Reply #5 - Aug 21st, 2013 at 11:48am
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With a scroll or cast with bumped up caster levels?
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 21st, 2013 at 11:51am
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Shiradi get autogranted static 45 detect secret doors. Just in case anyone was unclear what ED Turbine wants people to use.
  
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Goaticorn wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 11:48am:
With a scroll or cast with bumped up caster levels?


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Reply #8 - Aug 21st, 2013 at 12:20pm
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Well hell, maybe they are worth something after the update after all!
  
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Tajuh wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 10:42am:
Or you could buy them in the store, don't forget! Cheesy


The store bought rogues don't have the skills necessary to do trap duties in level appropriate quests.
  
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QuantumFX wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 1:36pm:
The store bought rogues don't have the skills necessary to do trap duties in level appropriate quests.


That's untrue in my experience. Last time I tried them out, they were very uneven - one 2-3 levels lower might be better at traps than another, they seemingly have different skill/stat distributions. I don't know whether they ever did anything about it, it's been awhile.
  
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Goaticorn wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 12:20pm:
Well hell, maybe they are worth something after the update after all!


Well, this was on en as I was just messing around checking a couple things, I need to go check on harder difficulties, but boss man is actually at work today.
  
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Reply #12 - Aug 21st, 2013 at 3:38pm
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I like the changes to secret doors and stealth.  Not every quest needs to be a "zerg to end boss" hack n slash fest.

Variety is cool.
  
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Reply #13 - Aug 21st, 2013 at 4:04pm
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Keep in mind that the DM's Vision set (Voice of the Master + Mantle of the Worldshaper) gives any character (who owns the packs) access to unlimited True Seeing at level 5.

Leave them equipped or switch one or the other (or both) in as needed.
  
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GooFY wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 4:04pm:
Keep in mind that the DM's Vision set (Voice of the Master + Mantle of the Worldshaper) gives any character (who owns the packs) access to unlimited True Seeing at level 5.

Leave them equipped or switch one or the other (or both) in as needed.



Doesn't detect everything.

EH ADQ1 it definitely does not detect, not really tested much else.
  
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Reply #15 - Aug 21st, 2013 at 7:37pm
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True Seeing, from item or spell, is supposedly search 30 regardless of caster level. Seems to be intended to be not enough for epics.
  
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Reply #16 - Aug 21st, 2013 at 7:38pm
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I wish true seeing would help me see the lightning in the now invisible lightning traps in the ruined halls quest.
  
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Darth Anonymous wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 7:38pm:
I wish true seeing would help me see the lightning in the now invisible lightning traps in the ruined halls quest.


If you were able to see the lightning before, you aren't zerging fast enough.
  
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Reply #18 - Aug 21st, 2013 at 7:42pm
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whothefuckami wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 7:05pm:
Doesn't detect everything.

EH ADQ1 it definitely does not detect, not really tested much else.


Right, I'm not trying to suggest that this set solves everything through end game.  I think they've assigned True Sight a specific check value that I'm too lazy to look up right now (30?).  I'm just trying to point out an easy option that's easily available to most folks at level 5 that should (hopefully) cover just about anything in heroics.

The wierd part, at least if I read everything correctly, is that the caster-level-based Detect Secret Doors check will eventually surpass the fixed True Sight check.

Bottom line is that at the highe levels it's going to suck to miss out on the secret door XP bonus once True Sight peters out (unless you've got high enough search or DSD).
  
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Reply #19 - Aug 21st, 2013 at 9:02pm
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GooFY wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 7:42pm:
Right, I'm not trying to suggest that this set solves everything through end game.  I think they've assigned True Sight a specific check value that I'm too lazy to look up right now (30?).  I'm just trying to point out an easy option that's easily available to most folks at level 5 that should (hopefully) cover just about anything in heroics.

The wierd part, at least if I read everything correctly, is that the caster-level-based Detect Secret Doors check will eventually surpass the fixed True Sight check.

Bottom line is that at the highe levels it's going to suck to miss out on the secret door XP bonus once True Sight peters out (unless you've got high enough search or DSD).



Yeah it works on TRs that have done the painful Threnal run, for 5 to something.

Still not sure about elite Inferno of the Dmaned, and probably other quests have been FoS'ed too.
  
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Reply #20 - Aug 22nd, 2013 at 2:13pm
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I really dislike this change.
  
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Shadehater wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 2:13pm:
I really dislike this change.


Then you may like even less how and why the changes came about:

http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1372450519/0

Short version: It's the pet project of a developer who wanted to see this done before leaving the DDO team for good.
  
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Reply #22 - Aug 22nd, 2013 at 8:46pm
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With 68 search my rogue couldn't find the doors in the one quest with a Nightcrawler boss.
  
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Sgtgig wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 8:46pm:
With 68 search my rogue couldn't find the doors in the one quest with a Nightcrawler boss.


But atleast a low ass spot can detect where you need that search. :p
Epic Hard I couldn't find it with 81. I'll try it today changing my destiny should kick it to 110ish.
  
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mudfud wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 9:08pm:
But atleast a low ass spot can detect where you need that search. :p
Epic Hard I couldn't find it with 81. I'll try it today changing my destiny should kick it to 110ish.


Yes, I could spot them too. And press Q to select the chest behind the door. It probably contains garbage anyway.

I kind of have hope for the future of DDO: now that they've changed pretty much every single aspect of the core mechanics, there's not much left to do besides release quests.
  
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