Really, whining about Undead? Y'all need to toughen up. They are an iconic enemy in the game, and there are plenty of ways to deal with them. How many times have people asked for something different?

spathic wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 11:00pm:



The way Turbine has implemented them, they have become just a more frustrating "beat down the thing with 50,000 hit points".   Rogues lose their sneak attacks to them.  Criticals are gone.   They all have different DR.   Turbine made it so that Turn Undead is just about useless against them.   The wraiths/spectres/shadows phasing in and out.

At least with fleshy things, players get the satisfaction of see those big crit numbers. Rogues get to use their sneak attacks and see all those sets of numbers floating upwards.

Yes, they can be beaten... it just seems more like work than fun.

Asheras wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 8:57am:


BEHOLDER RAID BOSS

prepare to link your fully charged PLIS, Mantle, Jeweled Cloak and a couple of Scarabs b4 accepted into the party

They could do a Chronoscope type raid in Schindylryn easily. That would let them use an already developed map which i assume would save significant time. The objective would be to take down the network of portals and cripple drow ability to attack that section of Cormyr. The boss could be a Spinner of Shadows type who periodically summons redname goristros, bebelith and Drow priestesses. If you don't kill the priestesses quickly enough, they are sacrificed to heal the Spinner by some amount of hp. (Fair turnabout for all the prisoners they sacrifice in other content.) Raid drops significantly better versions of the current Schindylryn items, plus extras. None of the special attacks for the spinner involve sp drain. Debuffs, acid and poison dots, etc are fair game on the other hand.

How about some yuan-ti love? A yuan-ti aberration in an ancient temple has mustered a great army and equipped it with eldritch weapons forged in a fiery chasm deep in the Underdark. The quest arc to flag takes you through a battle to first seal an entrance into the King's Forest where you learn of the threat, second to find out more about the threat, third to destroy the source of the weapons, and finally to open a path/portal for the Purple Dragon Knights and War Wizards to destroy the army. Then in the raid, you have to pass through several layers of the temple that split your party in order to reach the yuan-ti aberration at the end.

The dracolich would be a perfect raid boss for a raid added in the Stormhorns.   

Next boss will be an inanimate crystal. A certain wizard on Khyber will never complete the quest.

Or it will be an epic raid version of Bloody Crypt, only with 50,000 coffins to check. You can spend 50 astral shards to narrow it down to 1,000 of them.

kierg10 wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 12:15pm:



Currently there is only 1 raid in FR.  The last raid, FoT, was Eberron.  It's FR's turn. 

Seriously, I don't care where they put the quest entrance.  Get the gameplay and the loot right and I'll be there.

eighnuss wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 12:00pm:


You still have Muckbane and Muckdoom for that... and at Epic level anyway it doesn't matter, just let the Tincan Wizard deal with the Rusty Boss.

bob the builder wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 8:35am:

Well I don't know about EE ( frankly I can't remember when was the last time I seen a cleric in EE when playing monkcher ), but my main is back to cleric ( 3 clr past lives
and all turning bells and whistles from RS ) and turning is ridiculously effective, turning minibosses, whole corridors of trash. Looking forward to try in EE.

For melee, maybe if people stop being dumb and twist grim precision, use black instead red, use sunder and monk thing, and stopped swinging Balizardes against TO, undead wouldn't be such "problem ".

Like recent thread how precision is useless, fml.

spathic wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 12:02pm:


With a good enough spot you don't need to click each coffin. Just run by it will tell you when you stand in front of the pair with the heart. Click 2 coffins and kill.

bob the builder wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 8:35am:


That rogue should be in Shadowdancer and backstab away on those undead.  I get a lot of joy out of backstabbing those fuckers at Epic after they were such bastards during heroic.

"hello everyone, welcome to D&D night. Sit down, grab a beer.

If you could all just wait two hours while I work out how I'm going to deal with monster to-hit and loot tables, that'd be grand. Then we'll get down to that 15 minutes of solid play time."

totally wrote on Sep 11^th, 2013 at 11:14am:


Forgive me if I'm off on my FR's lore but I think when Mystra died the Tarrasque became unkillable. The Tarrasque required a Wish spell to kill and somewhere in the FR lore/various iterations of D&D Wish went away as a spell. That is unless Ana manages to do something useful for a change.