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Bigdickrichguy Horoluth Raider Offline I'm gunna put my dick<br />in your vag.<br /> Posts: 2096 Joined: Oct 10^th, 2013	Over level Xp Nov 8^th, 2013 at 11:40am	Print Post
	Did some favor clean up running elite Devil Battlefield quests with a lvl 27 toon and received full xp. No penalty. WAI?


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FakeStrake Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama, Derailment and Duping! Posts: 1584 Location: Inferno side Joined: Jul 5^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Over level Xp Reply #1 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 11:46am	Print Post
	Bigdickrichguy wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 11:40am: Did some favor clean up running elite Fire Caves with a lvl 27 toon and received full xp. No penalty. WAI? Fixed


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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Over level Xp Reply #2 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 11:54am	Print Post
	I know that the power level penalty for epic quests is different. Those count as epic quests, being level 21 on elite. Not sure what the range is for epic levels, but that might explain it.


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Dickbutt Titan Demolisher Offline Richard Butkus Posts: 386 Joined: Aug 18^th, 2011	Re: Over level Xp Reply #3 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 11:56am	Print Post
	When the cap was raised to 25, or one of the patches shortly after, they made it so that CR 21+ quests had a range of 2 more when considering XP penalties. CR 20 dungeons were given a range increase of 1. This is used to determine overlevel penalty, should such a penalty apply. In addition to this range increase, for CR 20+ dungeons, you will not incur such a penalty if it would be 50% or less. This effectively increases the safe range by 3 more levels, but does not give leniency to those above that. DDO wiki has a chart (scroll down a bit) that maps this out.
	« Last Edit: Nov 8^th, 2013 at 11:59am by Dickbutt »

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Bigdickrichguy Horoluth Raider Offline I'm gunna put my dick<br />in your vag.<br /> Posts: 2096 Joined: Oct 10^th, 2013	Re: Over level Xp Reply #4 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 12:06pm	Print Post
	I never thought I would type this combination of words, but thanks dickbutt. I still don't get the maths on being six levels over with no penalty. At any rate, it was a nice surprise, fire caves style . It was also fun trivializing what was once the most difficult content in the game.


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ILoveExploits Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Exploits! Posts: 2157 Location: piking @ work Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Over level Xp Reply #5 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 12:13pm	Print Post
	I remember the time when we need the A team to beat Elite Shav stuff. The mobs still hits hard but they have way too low hp.

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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Over level Xp Reply #6 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:19pm	Print Post
	in level 20 quests your character level is counted one level lower than it really is for bravery / over level penalty etc. in level 21+ quests your character level is counted two levels lower than it really is. I wish this would be included in a loading screen.� The amount of people who don't understand the mechanic is mind blowing. Running a level 18 heroic quest (iq) on elite makes it level 20, therefore, it's possible to run a level 17 character with a level 21 character, both get bravery, and full xp.
	« Last Edit: Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:20pm by Munkenmo »
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Over level Xp Reply #7 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:25pm	Print Post
	Release notes Update : 14.2 Quote: Players in CR 20 quests will have the spread between the quest CR and the max player level reduced by 1. In CR 21+ quests, the spread will be reduced by two. This will prevent over-level penalties caused by level 25 players running CR 20-23 quests.

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Laraeph Waterworks Kobold Offline Posts: 131 Joined: May 4^th, 2012	Re: Over level Xp Reply #8 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:28pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:19pm: in level 20 quests your character level is counted one level lower than it really is for bravery / over level penalty etc. in level 21+ quests your character level is counted two levels lower than it really is. I wish this would be included in a loading screen.� The amount of people who don't understand the mechanic is mind blowing. Running a level 18 heroic quest (iq) on elite makes it level 20, therefore, it's possible to run a level 17 character with a level 21 character, both get bravery, and full xp. And this still doesn't explain a lvl 27 getting full XP in a lvl 19 (21 on elite) quest. I believe the complete answer has been given by Dickbutt. And I didn't learn that until U19...


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Meat-Head 53%Moron57%Misunderstood Offline Why am I reading crap on this forum? Posts: 12345 Location: Oregon Joined: Dec 5^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Over level Xp Reply #9 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:30pm	Print Post
	Laraeph wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:28pm: I believe the complete answer has been given by Dickbutt. What does our existence even mean anymore when sentences like this can be true?

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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Over level Xp Reply #10 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 2:08pm	Print Post
	Laraeph wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 1:28pm: And this still doesn't explain a lvl 27 getting full XP in a lvl 19 (21 on elite) quest. I explained it exactly how it works. In your scenario, the level 27 doesn't get a penalty, but he would severly fuck over a level 21.
	« Last Edit: Nov 8^th, 2013 at 2:09pm by Munkenmo »
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Laraeph Waterworks Kobold Offline Posts: 131 Joined: May 4^th, 2012	Re: Over level Xp Reply #11 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 2:37pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 2:08pm: I explained it exactly how it works. In your scenario, the level 27 doesn't get a penalty, but he would severly fuck over a level 21. No, you did not explain why the lvl 27 doesn't get a penalty. And no, a lvl 21 player wouldn't get powerleveled by a lvl 27, either.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Over level Xp Reply #12 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 2:40pm	Print Post
	Laraeph wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 2:37pm: And no, a lvl 21 player wouldn't get powerleveled by a lvl 27, either. The last time I tested these mechanics the 27's definitely power leveled 21's. It's why I don't mention the -50% reduction, it's not 100% encompassing.

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Asheras Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline This is why we can't have nice things. Posts: 10230 Location: Ohio Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Over level Xp Reply #13 - Nov 8^th, 2013 at 3:25pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Nov 8^th, 2013 at 2:40pm: The last time I tested these mechanics the 27's definitely power leveled 21's. It's why I don't mention the -50% reduction, it's not 100% encompassing. There is a difference between over-level penalties and power-level penalties.


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Dickbutt Titan Demolisher Offline Richard Butkus Posts: 386 Joined: Aug 18^th, 2011	Re: Over level Xp Reply #14 - Nov 9^th, 2013 at 2:01am	Print Post
	As mentioned, the power-level penalty still does apply, but it only uses the first set of range increases mentioned in my previous post. I.e. in CR 20, the safe range for power levelling is 4 levels; in CR 21+, it's 5 levels. A 6 level difference should give a 50% penalty to the lower level character in a CR 21+ dungeon. The wiki seems to be vague on this point, oddly. The extra 3 level range for epic quests seemed to have been a patch solution for level 25s in CR 20/21 quests. The fact that it still applied a large penalty for players just outside its range was unknown until Shadowfell, because level 26 is the lowest level that would receive an over-level penalty from a CR 20 quest.


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