Asheras wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 10:19am:

Two EH is faster but EE is funnier, it's a game so i pick the 2nd option.
But the price is too high for the hearts, it should be 2500 comms tops.

ILoveExploits wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 10:29am:


Also looking at the charts,, the range for EE quests runs from 25 to 65.  That puts the average at 45.  With more available quests below the average.  So, you are probably averaging between 40-45 Comms per quest if you run them all on an EE streak once.  You would need 100 quest runs to get the comms in this scenario.  (True you could run the higher level ones 65 times, but that's a lot of repetition of a few quests).  There's not 100 epic quests, so we have a problem.  On EE, you would get to cap well before 100 quests, also.  So there's clearly a problem. 

On EH, you need 200 runs to get the comms needed.  That's crazy high.

They need an adjustment to the turn in amount or the amount earned per quest.  Or a little of both.

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I posted this exact thing on the main forums. I'm still reserving judgment on the entire system until I try it but there's no way I'm running any xp pots just based on the reports others have given.

Flav wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 2:22am:


I have a theory on this one. I think that they can't figure out how to make them go in the chest but not be passable in the chest. I realize that guild renown works that way...but Turbine. I don't think they're lying - I'm sure they have some other things planned that make them want BTC - but I think the main reason is that they want to avoid the eDA situation again and this is the only way they can figure out to avoid it.

Ckorik wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 11:54am:

Fun, this the point. I love to run EE's, get hammered by the green dragon for 1200 damage is awesome! Get rapped by the giants spamming stomps while running, casters spamming spells on you like theres no tomorrow, instant red Dungeon alert cos you turned a corner and fuck theres 30 mobs in there and fucking crippling ALL THE FUCKING MOBS ON EPICS HAVE FUCKING CRIPPLING FUCK ATACKS, etc.
I love all of it and i dont care to farm a few quests on EE but the ransack limitation makes me run crap quests that i hate. If i need to do it once to get a chain reward ok but  I DONT WANT TO FUCK FARM IT. Have a good day buds!

I don't even understand why the iconic hearts are more expensive than the epic TR hearts in the store. And if they have a different value why do they need the same amount of commendations of valor?

Yeah they give an iconic + heroic PL feat, but you had to pay for the iconics already to be able to use this kind of TR option...

Ok... you also need to buy EDs to be able to Epic TR but without EDs I doubt anyone would be interested in leveling to 28 anyways.

The ITR stuff is kinda meh, particularly if you had all your heroic past lives already done.

First, I don't really see a problem with BtA. There is little incentive to farm lvl21 quests with a lvl28 character. A lvl28 character doesn't need the XP, except maybe for destines, yet which many players have maxed by now anyway.

Also, with the over-level penalties, it makes no sense whatsoever. And you get much less valor from farming low-lvl epics. So I don't really see no problem with making valor BtA.

Second, I think they will lower the requirements for the epic hearts soon.

Third, a thought about the f2p-model and micro-transactions. Turdbine doesn't know how to take advantage of this model. They have an awkward understanding of it and it is reflected in their horrible shop and the prices there.

Either you have people who buy all packs and basic shit by farming favor, and it's easy to get around ~500 TP wih each TR-life, some people are focused on TR and have run dozens of lifes. From those people Turdbine can generate little to no income, because they seldomly buy stuff, and what should they buy anyway? Those people maybe spend under $100 over several years.

On the other hand they are selling boxes for $50 each.

They should make it that you need 1,000 TP for epic TR, for example. That's roughly $10. Once you farmed 2100 valor though, you only need to pay 500 TP. this way, many people would farm for valor a bit, once they hit lvl28, they'd just the rest of the valor they need for 200 or 500 TP. This would equate about $2-5. This is the idea behind microtransaction. Not giving shit totally for free or alternatively pay $50 for a box of XP and a shitty cosmetic pet! Prices are just so off, and the choice of products is just so bad, everyone knows it. They have no imagination, yet professional knowledge! Adventure packs, shared bank, +5 chainmail, some cosmetics which were useless for several years because they were bound to item, cosmetic pets, give me a break! Either basics or useless shit, some consumables, hilarious pricing. This Store could be so much more. Total incompetence on this level.

Chris wrote on Nov 20^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:


Tell that bitch he's fucking stupid and clueless, as you are.

I ETR the day it was released with a store bought heart thinking i would have enough for another once i was cap.

Well level 28 and little over 1700 comms. run everything on ee (except raids), challenges, farms on eH.

Always with +20% pot, greater tome of learning, and didn't get BB on anything or first time bonus.

I guess i'm the stupid one for buying that heart. Filling their pockets.

Pretty sure I recall Teth on our server saying he did all the quests on ee when he went from lvl 20 to 28 and he wasn't close to having enough comms for the epic wood

Darkrok wrote on Nov 21^st, 2013 at 12:25pm:


I'm not sure about that myself - it depends on if they want to rely on whales or not for money.

Honestly I think they would sell *more* if the price was in the 5-6 bucks range instead of 15 bucks.  Price points setting is pseudo science at best - it's all about hitting the most you can charge while still getting the most people to buy - if you price too high you make alot of money but sell less.  Then you have to factor into the psychological price points - it's easier to sell something if it's priced under your cheapest point bundle for instance   I still think they have hearts priced *way* too high - these are consumable *reusable* items that should be priced to encourage play - at the prices they charge they are more expensive than alot of the permanent content you can buy - it makes no sense.

FWIW, I think these are the numbers for CoV's received:

Quest Base Lvl      EN       EH       EE
         20                6       12        25
         21                8       15        30
         22              10       18        35
         23              12       21        40
         24              14       24        45
         25              16       27        50
         26              18       30        55
         27              20       33        60
         28              22       36        65

So yeah, EE is about double EH, dropping off a bit as the quest base level gets higher.