Well shit, at that point, can just go to 12monk/6ranger/2whatever. Get back improved evasion, more speed, better stances, better saves, sniper shot, AA from class.

My highest DPS Thrower build to date is 12Monk6Ranger2Ftr. Had displace marks and extend and OCrit.

Disgusting. But it used Pinion for Manyshot and Throwers the rest of the time with 10K. It's still probably top full-time shuriken DPS though if I never used the bow. 

But you said you wanted a Rogue/SA variant, so you just gotta build the best version of that you can and rogue it up. I hear the new big quest in u21 will be very Rogue-y, so that's cool.

In that case I'd go with an elf 12monk,6ranger,2arti

Last month i TRed into 13/6/1 rogue, monk, fighter for 23d6 Sneak attack damage.
It SAD was beast using a Deception item like EE Backstabber gloves.
But lacked base damage against mobs that refused to get sneak attacked and also bosses.

Soon after testing that build i went 12/5/3 Monk, ranger, fighter Drow and went for the full line of Deepwood Sniper, meditation and kensai DPS for increased base damage.
The difference between those builds' base damage was HUGE, specially in Archer's Focus stance vs bosses. But i really miss the high dodge from the Rogue split, uncanny dodge was awesome.

I also would like to advice to not drop IPS for trash mobs, It's really needed if you are gonna do EEs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7wSDhDcA_k ---> Vid of a friend who built the same at the time to test. He lacked some gear as he had slotted lvl 28 augments so most of his end game gear are lvl 28 now xD

My concerns for doubleshot aren't a problem for me as long as it DOES doubleshoot and this build does high damage and is fun to play. But I still feel stuff is missing and not sure what to test next for the most Optimal Shurithrower build that can solo EEs.

In 3 hours from now I'm gonna TR again.  Whats best? high base damage or high sneak attack damage?  Cause i can't wrap my brains around it. They kill equally fast, except the one with higher base damage had the advantage over bosses and non stunnable/sneak attackable mobs.

Because, 22% ranged attack speed.

So, I went 12monk/6ranger/2arti.

Back to Shiradi, because Fury is just pretty fucking sad on trash, didn't like it much.

Removed all points from AA to go DWS, picking up Heavy Draw and that 25 stack with archer's focus. Because I just have a feeling all of that AA stuff won't be usable in the near future, including Arrow of Slaying, and shit, it was 32 points for not a whole lot.

Dropped OC, ended up prefering using those 4 feats on other stuff...

When I'm done re-gearing myself it'll be much better DPS than the last build on trash, and also FAR better on bosses.

FWIW I recently redid my enhancements to try T5 DWS. On a Shiradi build it makes lots of sense, Aimed Shot plus AF is amazing on boss mobs no doubt. With a full blitz stack going it's pretty much unreal though in LD.

Problem is, on anything but a boss, and in any situation where you need to move (pretty much the entire game) T5 Sniper is useless. I know you can build up a 25 stack, and then try to get it back. But unless you're full time AF and not IPS, this is unreaonable, you probably average about 10 (I tried it for a week). ANd if you're toggling AF/IPS, you're DPS is better on trash, but your stacks will never stay above about 7 (mine didn't anyway).

If you're seeing significantly higher deeps on trash in Shiradi, then we play this game very differently.

I will admit having things largely helpless with Shiradi (pin, whistle, NV, procs) is great, but it can't really be counted on, and when you can eliminate trash with 2-3 button clicks (adren/slayer) it really doesn't matter so much.

But the Red/Purple named DPS cannot compare between shiradi and FoTW. It's like miles away. Killing anything that cant be helpless in Shiradi on EE takes an eternity. You must have someone else killing red/purp for you.

I will be the first to admit playstyle (and lets be honest, skill, though I'm not questioning anyones here) absolutely makes or breaks builds.

When I had a shuricannon, I felt like it was by far the best ranged build for someone who had never played ranged before. No real clickies, no real management, just fire and forget. But it sacrificed huge DPS for that.

I just don't understand how you can overcome that, even with Heavy Draw and Imp Archers Focus.

fair enough. in reality, these are probably small difference amortized over time playing. T5 Sniper is def an interesting idea for Shiradi, if you don't mind being more support and less DEEPS on the trash.

And lets not forget, for Raids, you can always switch to FoTW, and for EE trash be in Shiradi, so it's not a huge deal either way.

Having Rogue skills is a legit trade off too IMO, though I don't really do it.

Always in wind stance. Ki comes from t2 henshin, at least on all of my builds. Epic completion use makes enlightenment twisted more attractive.

Dist above has been trying to ditch 10k, though I think with available sources of doubleshot CURRENTLY available, that's huge mistake.

Contemplation.

10k is still something I'd love to get rid of through high enough Doubleshot.

I have Grandmaster stances on current build.

I still prefer by far Shiradi.

Distributed wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2014 at 1:39am:


Do tell . . .

Too much downtime, not enough CC.

Also, 25sec Sobrien now, much better than last build.

I still find it awesome that people are now managing to build uber awesomesauce thrower builds

froggy wrote on Feb 15^th, 2014 at 7:23am:


I thought they nerfed Beguile.