Hey folks.

I know that some of the best builders ae on vault, so posting it here:
I want to TR my Shiradi spammer into something that is actually fun to play and I have choosen Thief Acrobat.

I can use your ideas to actually make him an usefull build:

What I know I want to have in there:

- 6 monk (master fo forms for one feat and Ninja spy incorp + lightning the candle)
- I want Rogue past life and the vault ability. I want the vault ability for more then  one reason :-D

Now, what I currectly have in mind is:

11/6/3 Rogue/Mnk/Druid Elf. I will spend feat for elven dragonmark to get basically permanent displacement plus some handy invisibility.
Rogue for TA acrobat tree, imp evasion, trapping and other skills.
Mnk for Shadow fade and Lightning the candle plus some more staff things and master earth stance.
Druid for some minor healing, ram might and Fatal Harrier.

This build should, in my mind at least, have uber damage avoidance (Fade, Displacement, high dodge, imp evasion), very nice DPS (lots of doublestrike, lots of attack speed), mobility (vault, spell Jump), high UMD and rogue skills.

Now, because I will invest in racial tree, I will miss Shintao +15 PRR in mountain... unfortunately. Is that a bad call or no?

Do you have any suggestions how to make this build better?

Do Fatal harrier, Lighting the candle and such stack?

In case you need to know, I have +4 tomes in all stats (+5 in dex and wis), I have most of the pastlives available to me (not rogue, not druid, not bard, not ranger) and I hac´ve basically any gear you can think off.

I know you want 3 druid for fatal harrier, but if you drop to one druid you could go 13 rogue.

Gains opportunist, 1d6 sneak attack and qualifies for epic sneak attack.

13rog/6mnk/1fvs for DM and emp hjealing goodness

Mokune wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 8:49am:

Shillealgh don't work on Sireth. You get Goat Might as a ranger.

Yup, Ram's is +3, DM's is easilly +5

Munkenmo wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 12:45pm:



Then again, DM costs 6 AP and my build is pretty AP streched. Ram is for free. Does beguille work on orangenamed?

So lets assume for instance a 13Rogue/6Monk/1FVS

I have been considering a TA build with starting 36 pt stats

18 Str
8 Dex (+4 Tome with 1 Level Up for Dodge)
14 Con
16 Int
8 Wis
12 Cha

Feats @ 28 not including ED Feats.

Monk Feats- 3: PA, Dodge, Mobility
Char Feats-10: Cleave, Great Cleave, Insightful Reflex, Force of Personality, THF, Emp Heal Spell, GTHF, OC, IC:Bludgeon, Spring Attack.

In whatever order I can take em when tomes kick in.

Does that about cover it?

I just finished a pass-through build for thief+bladeforged past lives.

12/6/2 bladeforged   thief/monk/paladin


Not the uberest but it got the job done.  You can ask Distributed how it performed in various EE content.

Also ask him about the six beholders in the prison explorer.

Right so...  dropping Int down to just enough to get by and putting those points into Dex instead with a +4 tome and 1 level up would net ISA in place of Insightful Reflex. 

I'm a sucker for more skill points though and fitting a whole laundry list of must haves can be tricky unless I rolled human as well and could fit...
Bluff, Search, Spot, Disable, OL, UMD, Balance, Heal, Tumble, some Jump.  Hmmm looking at the list doesn't seem too hard to work with.

Yeah can easily drop GTHF for Master of Forms. 

Staff builds are fun but if I invest in Dex at all I plan on a TWF build....having monk with rogue and not going TWF handwraps Black Lotus-ish style seems wrong to me for some reason though. 

I have not rolled through with a rogue since pre-Enh-pass and TA looks fun enough to give a go.

Mokune wrote on Feb 4^th, 2014 at 10:45am:


With huuman you get extra feat so you'll have both.

TA is a blast, try it.

Mokune wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 1:21pm:



Uhh... just wondering... how does one take GTHF without first taking ITHF

also.. why spring attack ? i could see if you had fighter levels.. and picked up CE toget whirling strike... but.. that -4 to hit while moving.. really isnt that big a deal.. and it cant really be argued that the dodge bonus is worth a feat slot when you should instead be taking Adept of forms/Master of forms and possibly even grandmaster forms.. (Dropping Spring/Insight/Force) GTHF swapped out to ISA, if you can manage the stats.

Rogue feats, if doing 13 rogue, Imp Eva, and Oppurtunist.. naturally..

Hey,

just in case anyone wonders (I know you dont really give a shit) I went 13/6/1 Rogue/Monk/FvS - it gives most spell points, nightshield, remove fear, Divine Might is in the end always superior to Ram might (getting +8 modifier with my +5 tome is frikkin easy) and lasts longer.
13 rogue for opportunist.
I am generally really happy about the build. Thx for help.

Tobril wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2014 at 6:14pm:


This is the build I ended up deciding on for my 2nd life, leveling now. I think for a good mix of offense and defense it's the best I could come up with for my playstyle.