harharharhar wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 5:21pm:


First level is the only level where class modifier gets multiplied.  I don't think your class makes any difference to bonus skill points for INT (i.e. it is a fixed bonus, regardless of class).

That being said, taking them late may have let you backfill certain rogue class skills more easily (with less planning).  I just don't think you had more overall skill points to do it with by taking them late. But I can see where it would let you spend the "extra" points more effectively in the skills you wanted them in.

By 15 the only way this build can reach 11bab is to go 12monk/3rogue.

There is absolutely no way to squeeze in IPS and Grandmaster of forms in heroic levels without taking wizard levels from 16-20.

If you don't have completionist, you could backload those wizard levels, fitting in IPS and Grandmaster of forms in heroic levels means you could easily slot improved combat archery.

Drow      Shuriken Expertise

1      PBS
3      Completionist
6      Quickdraw
9      Precise Shot
12      Rapid Shot
15      IC throwing
18      IPS

m1      Dodge
m2      Precision
m6      10K stars

wiz1      Extend
wiz5      Mental Toughness

21      Grandmaster of forms
24      (epic dex or Combat Archery)
27      (epic dex or Combat Archery)

As you can see, if you've got completionist, the BAB issue doesn't really matter cause you've got to sacrifice one heroic feat slot for it anyway.

Personally, if I didn't have completionist, I'd take dodge at level 3 and pick up deflect arrows with my monk bonus feat. I agree with harharhar that backloading the last 2 rogue levels makes sense.

ancient wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 6:42pm:


IPS is usually my 21 Feat. Alternatively, you could take a less important feat at 21 if you are actaully grinding out levels 14-20 (I don't, I get to 500k XP and stone to 20).

My most recent ETR life feats were:

1. PBS
2. Monk Deflect
3. Monk Dodge Hero Precision
6. Rapid Shot
7. Monk 10k
8. Wizard Extend
9. Quickdraw
12. Precise Shot
13. Wizard Quicken
15. Completionist
18. IC Thrown
21. IPS
24. GMaster or Great Dex (I lean toward great dex because if I switch to water for Ki, Tank/Kiting, whatever, I still have that extra Dex)
26. Pos Spellpower (this is totally up for grabs)
27. Blinding Speed
28. Doubleshot

Munkenmo wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 7:16pm:


I am still not sure that I get any damage out of ICA. I checked and it didn't seem to change anything. I did get the dodge, but I don't think my damage was increased much.

right, I know it works with bows, but the feat also specifically states Ranged weapons, like Ranger PL and Echoes of Shiradi, which both don't apply to Thrown attacks.

Just wondering, but from a simple testing i dont think gilvenor works with throwers.
Can someone else confirm it?
Someone who isnt lazy as me to do actual tests and math and stuff

Lelouch wrote on Apr 19^th, 2014 at 9:28am:


i will just test this on my monkcher today who has Gilv set.

harharharhar wrote on Apr 18^th, 2014 at 8:09pm:


Yeah, I was originally responding to this part of your post...

"This was to absolutely maximize my skill points (Rogue level 1 points, and rogue points when my int was affected by +4/5 tome)."

...which on my first read made it sound like you were saying that you actually ended up with more total skill points to spend.  On re-reading I realized what you were really saying.

P.S.  Maybe I'll try this build on a Sun Elf and call it the "Golden Shower" 

I've never done a thrower build, what do you use to add the dex to damage with this build?


Just found my own answer, Ninja Spy 2ndenhancement on base 

Lelouch wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2014 at 12:16pm:


I have a caster version that is 15 Wiz 3 Monk 2 FvS that Goes: SLA MM, SLA CM, Pin, Whistler, Throw, Repeat

That is also Insanely OP with unlimited SP. 400+ Force/Light/Fire Spell Power.

I have the same build! It is totally different, and doesn't use any of the main concepts of your build. But its awesome OP!

Thanks for posting this, if i didn't already say. I like the way you have put up with all of the questions. It has opened my eyes to things i would never considered before.

NOTdarth wrote on Apr 23^rd, 2014 at 4:06am:


huh?