harharharhar wrote on Apr 6^th, 2014 at 2:50am:


True (that's 2 misses in one point, shocking)
That'll easily rule out IMA, but I'd wager that CA is justifiable, especially with the +2 dodge.

CA = 273*1.5 = 409.5 damage every 79 seconds (completely excluding crits)

1dex mod = 273*1 = 273

409.5-273=136  Damage.

I'd imagine you actually do get close to making (136/2)=66.5 proc damage per shot.

If you're not dodge capped, and you have an Even dex then skipping 1dex for CA = easily worthwhile.

If your giving up even Dex for CA, it's a Vargouille.

Anyway, now you know how I look at the dex score vs weapon modifiers. Hope it makes sense.

Are you sure every weapon is thrown at the same speed as a dagger? I asked because I picked up random FoS'd great axe and attacks/min went up. Something like 100 with cleaver and 120 with randgen. The difference even greater when twitching. I noticed when swapping to anarchic for marut during von3 bonus weekends.

Munkenmo wrote on Apr 6^th, 2014 at 9:37pm:


for damage per second you probably should include thowing speed as well though eh?  Just for its significance

I assume that twisting in enlightenment from GMoF is the only viable source of Ki generation on this build, right?

1 dex is 2% more damage? Keep telling yourself that is how it works.

NOTSunnyshadow wrote on Apr 7^th, 2014 at 2:37am:


It does and yes.

Trollero wrote on Apr 7^th, 2014 at 1:20am:


Its actually more.

harharharhar wrote on Apr 7^th, 2014 at 4:29am:


No it's not, it's the effect each point of dex has varies greatly depending on your current score (ie odd or even), and procs per shot.

at 20 dex, 1more dex is no where near 2% of your dps.

at 80 an additional point of dex does not seem like it would boost your overall output by another 2%, going from 273 shurikens thrown to 275 every 79 seconds is not a net dps boost of 2%

from 81-82 however the dps jump is significant. because also you've gained another 2 shurikens, plus your damage mod has increased, granting you 277 base damage every 79 seconds

Lazy Breakdown for Base damage, Not including 10k stars:



you can see going from 60 to 80 dex is a 40% boost in base damage.
going from 80 to 81 is a 1% boost in base damage
going from 81 to 82 is a 3% boost in base damage.

The moment we take procs into account though we reduce the contribution that dex makes to overall damage.  Making it highly unlikely that even 81 to 82 would be a 2% boost to overall damage.

20 base
5 tome
7 level
4 Wind Stance
11 gear
4 insight
1 exceptional
1 profane
2 completionist
2 epic feat
2 drow ap
2 monk hm ap
2 monk ns ap
4 wiz ek (tenser) ap
3 Shadow Dodge
70

2 ship
2 yugo
2 store
76

3 epic feat (+1)
6 ed
3 twist
6 tome (+1)
89 Total Dex.

Edited:

Munkenmo wrote on Apr 7^th, 2014 at 4:45am:


I already conceded that point above re: CA but yes, somewhat semantically you're right. I guess a better way to phrase it is is: 2 Dex is like 4% DPS because you need the even number for the +1 damage.

However, as it scales that +1 lends less % increase because proc damage is going up, thus devaluaing the contribution of Dex to Damage. However, overall DPS is still increased by increasing Dex (albeit at a slower rate) due to extra Shuriken Procs, up to 100.

NOTSunnyshadow wrote on Apr 7^th, 2014 at 2:37am:


I'm actually activvely seeking advice on gear at 28. Also, Munk helped some with Epic feats.

Though right now I'm considering Bard PL feat to twist the THunderclap on vorp thing from FateSinger.

Of course, this new ED just might change everything.