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rog/mnk/paly - sireth, wraps, or celestia?
Apr 8th, 2014 at 9:11pm
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Just wondering what your thoughts are WRT weapon choice for the above split, most likely 12rog/6mnk/2paly. I do remember munk at one point saying that wraps DPS beats sireth even for staff builds, but that was some time ago and with all the changes, would that still be true?
  
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Re: rog/mnk/paly - sireth, wraps, or celestia?
Reply #1 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 10:10pm
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do 12/6/2 monk paladin rogue instead. sireth. win
  
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Reply #2 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 10:14pm
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I've seen the Zeus, but haven't rolled one. AFAIK 6 paly is for the defender stance? Is it that much better than getting access to Fists of Iron + Shadow Veil?

Also, as per original intent, even with the Zeus split: wouldn't handwraps/dual celestias be better for more sneak damage?

EDIT: my reading fail, you wrote 12 monk instead of 12 rogue. I thought rogue > monk for staff builds?
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Re: rog/mnk/paly - sireth, wraps, or celestia?
Reply #3 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 10:51pm
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Math by Tyrsis 

Since then there are now better wraps and shortswords, Sireth users however probably wouldn't migrate.

Currently Wraps > other options

Shortswords VS Staves switch depending on your base damage vs sneak attack damage.
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Reply #4 - Apr 8th, 2014 at 11:12pm
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much appreciated munk
  
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Reply #5 - Apr 11th, 2014 at 7:09pm
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On the mother forums people are reporting that qstaffs get glancing blows on cleaves now. I haven't checked on my 12Rog/6Mnk/2Pal build I've been taking through epics to verify since I read it though. That could change things, at least against groups, but likely no change on single target since I tend to only cleave when I have more than 1 or 2 enemies around.
  
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Re: rog/mnk/paly - sireth, wraps, or celestia?
Reply #6 - Apr 13th, 2014 at 9:19am
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yoshi wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 10:14pm:
I've seen the Zeus, but haven't rolled one. AFAIK 6 paly is for the defender stance? Is it that much better than getting access to Fists of Iron + Shadow Veil?

Also, as per original intent, even with the Zeus split: wouldn't handwraps/dual celestias be better for more sneak damage?

EDIT: my reading fail, you wrote 12 monk instead of 12 rogue. I thought rogue > monk for staff builds?


you can get fists of iron with the split of the zeus build? only need 2 monk levels for that right?
  
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Re: rog/mnk/paly - sireth, wraps, or celestia?
Reply #7 - Apr 13th, 2014 at 9:21am
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yoshi wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 10:14pm:
I've seen the Zeus, but haven't rolled one. AFAIK 6 paly is for the defender stance? Is it that much better than getting access to Fists of Iron + Shadow Veil?

Also, as per original intent, even with the Zeus split: wouldn't handwraps/dual celestias be better for more sneak damage?

EDIT: my reading fail, you wrote 12 monk instead of 12 rogue. I thought rogue > monk for staff builds?


you can still use the TA tree with more monk levels only need 5 levels to get the top tier stuff, though personally I would rather go for more rogue levels for the split.
  
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Re: rog/mnk/paly - sireth, wraps, or celestia?
Reply #8 - Apr 13th, 2014 at 10:18pm
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NaturalHazard wrote on Apr 13th, 2014 at 9:19am:
you can get fists of iron with the split of the zeus build? only need 2 monk levels for that right?


Yeah, I had a brainfart  Undecided
  
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Reply #9 - Apr 14th, 2014 at 11:34am
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Munk summed this up nicely.  And he is right, given best case scenario for all 3, my play experience tells me wraps come out a bit ahead on DPS.

Having said that I prefer staff/sireth due to cleave effects.  Just personal preference.
  
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Re: rog/mnk/paly - sireth, wraps, or celestia?
Reply #10 - Apr 14th, 2014 at 12:40pm
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tachyon wrote on Apr 8th, 2014 at 10:10pm:
do 12/6/2 monk paladin rogue instead. sireth. win


the 6 pally doesnt give much, only the 4 pally is useful for the free turn-undead feat instead of twisting in bane of undeath :3

12mnk/4pal/4rogue seems like a nice splash, 4 rogue for those who cant invest much into int or just dont have the skillz  4 pal for free turn undead, 12 monk for stances
  
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Reply #11 - Apr 17th, 2014 at 10:17am
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So, with Divine Crusader giving Sireth an 11-20 crit range and +10% Enh bonus to doublestrike, plus some other goodies in that tree, I'm finding I really like it for quests that I'm not blitzing in, better than Fury.
  
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Reply #12 - Apr 17th, 2014 at 11:24am
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The crit range stacks with staff specialization?
  
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Re: rog/mnk/paly - sireth, wraps, or celestia?
Reply #13 - Apr 17th, 2014 at 12:33pm
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Yes, it does. I confirmed I was critting on the dummy, just in case. With all the stuff this destiny gives I gotta say I'm really enjoying it. If you consecrate that extra 10% party damage is a nice boost too if you take the proper enh. And the capstone is nice, with a 4min cooldown, but lasts for 2.5mins. It's deteriorates over time but it's a nice boost. That's over 100% doublestrike for me when it starts up, but I didn't unlock it yet to see if I actually go above 100.
  
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Re: rog/mnk/paly - sireth, wraps, or celestia?
Reply #14 - Apr 20th, 2014 at 4:47am
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Consencrate and the 10% damage might be a nice twist for when your in dreadnought, maybe as monkcher as well.
Put on ground do fursyhot.
Unsure if 2 slots are worth the 10% damage
  
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Reply #15 - Apr 20th, 2014 at 9:16am
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I was talking more for the times when you're not in LD. Critting on half my attacks plus the other goodies puts it over Fury IMO. In LD I don't think it's worth 2 twists since I already gotta twist Bane of Undeath.
  
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Re: rog/mnk/paly - sireth, wraps, or celestia?
Reply #16 - Apr 20th, 2014 at 11:02am
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You could swap to crusader get charges of div might then swap to smthn else.
I mean it is bit boring to do so every quest, but you dont need the actual twist to get use of dmight.
And 20 or so mights per quests are usualy enough.
The bane damage is okish tho.
  
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Re: rog/mnk/paly - sireth, wraps, or celestia?
Reply #17 - Apr 21st, 2014 at 10:14am
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Does Zeus carry over for a Heroic WF instead of BF ITR? I have a 1st life Jugg build collecting dust I wouldnt mind doing something with
  
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Reply #18 - Apr 21st, 2014 at 1:02pm
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Luxgolg wrote on Apr 21st, 2014 at 10:14am:
Does Zeus carry over for a Heroic WF instead of BF ITR? I have a 1st life Jugg build collecting dust I wouldnt mind doing something with


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