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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	So...Swashbuckler May 19^th, 2014 at 5:01pm	Print Post
	Anybody have any thoughts on a Swashbuckler build? Right now I'm thinking Pure Drow Bard for the obvious +2 to DEX and CHA starting and the DEX/CHA stat enhancement as well as the plusses to Rapier damage and stuff like that. Obviously I'm thinking rapiers (the Mutineer's Blade against Undead and Balizarde against everything else) for weapons and the Epic Swashbuckler buckler from CC in the off-hand. These are all just preliminary thoughts off the top of my head so I was wondering if anyone else has put some real thinking into a Swashbuckler build or not? If you have and you don't mind sharing, could you please post what you are thinking?

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Vendui Releaser Of Exploits Offline Dare to tempt your fates? Everything has a price. Posts: 2492 Location: Central WI Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: So...Swashbuckler Reply #1 - May 19^th, 2014 at 5:12pm	Print Post
	Lulz... i literally just posted my thoughts xD Also, the new Buckler is kinda cute.. i thought.. there will be a few moer added in 22.1 i think.. last i heard at least
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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: So...Swashbuckler Reply #2 - May 19^th, 2014 at 5:13pm	Print Post
	Vendui wrote on May 19^th, 2014 at 5:12pm: Lulz... i literally just posted my thoughts xD Saw that! Weird.

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Vissarion DQ Assaulter Offline Posts: 493 Joined: Jul 23^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: So...Swashbuckler Reply #3 - May 19^th, 2014 at 6:21pm	Print Post
	I was thinking a 16 Bard/2 Fighter/2 Rogue, since pure is pretty feat starved. Human aiming for max melee DPS, with nothing in the offhand. The +5 damage/+7% doublestrike seems better than the other benefits, though maybe I'll end up going with orb if I have a tough time slotting sonic spellpower for Resonant Arms. Balizarde-using, STR based. Overwhelming critical line, SWF line, empower healing, etc. They really need to reduce some of the AP costs, though. They went kinda crazy with the 2-per-tier enhancements.

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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: So...Swashbuckler Reply #4 - May 19^th, 2014 at 6:25pm	Print Post
	Vissarion wrote on May 19^th, 2014 at 6:21pm: They really need to reduce some of the AP costs, though. They went kinda crazy with the 2-per-tier enhancements. I saw that. It's really turning me off to the PrE. May not even try it because of that.

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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: So...Swashbuckler Reply #5 - May 19^th, 2014 at 7:17pm	Print Post
	Vissarion wrote on May 19^th, 2014 at 6:21pm: I was thinking a 16 Bard/2 Fighter/2 Rogue, since pure is pretty feat starved. Human aiming for max melee DPS, with nothing in the offhand. The +5 damage/+7% doublestrike seems better than the other benefits, though maybe I'll end up going with orb if I have a tough time slotting sonic spellpower for Resonant Arms. Balizarde-using, STR based. Overwhelming critical line, SWF line, empower healing, etc. They really need to reduce some of the AP costs, though. They went kinda crazy with the 2-per-tier enhancements. Why 16 bard over 6 fighter? More feats, hp, defender stance. bard 13-16 offering only some song buffs, otto's dance, and greater heroism. i think even having the bard icon is worse than just splashing 5 bard on a 12 fighter or rogue.

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FlameDragon Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 24 Joined: Apr 27^th, 2014	Re: So...Swashbuckler Reply #6 - May 20^th, 2014 at 12:09am	Print Post
	The most advantage of 16bard should be 'Otto's Irresistible Dance' spell which is the ability to control mob and let bard make dps safely. Such as when meeting a crowd of mob, fascinate them all firstly and then make 'Otto's Irresistible Dance'+dps those mobs one by one. I think 16bard/2ftr/2rog will be classic build for Swashbuckler. Rubbinns wrote on May 19^th, 2014 at 7:17pm: Why 16 bard over 6 fighter? More feats, hp, defender stance. bard 13-16 offering only some song buffs, otto's dance, and greater heroism. i think even having the bard icon is worse than just splashing 5 bard on a 12 fighter or rogue.


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NOTSunnyshadow Out of Order Offline Kobold remember waterworks! Posts: 2193 Joined: Jan 24^th, 2014	Re: So...Swashbuckler Reply #7 - May 20^th, 2014 at 12:12am	Print Post
	FlameDragon wrote on May 20^th, 2014 at 12:09am: The most advantage of 16bard should be 'Otto's Irresistible Dance' spell which is the ability to control mob and let bard make dps safely. Such as when meeting a crowd of mob, fascinate them all firstly and then make 'Otto's Irresistible Dance'+dps those mobs one by one. I think 16bard/2ftr/2rog will be classic build for Swashbuckler. Bard? Dps? WTH?! Kidding aside, any form of cc might work. An AA with paralyzing arrows might be able to SING TO DEATH a paralyzed mob. Again, assuming that this works as intended.

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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: So...Swashbuckler Reply #8 - May 20^th, 2014 at 7:32am	Print Post
	FlameDragon wrote on May 20^th, 2014 at 12:09am: The most advantage of 16bard should be 'Otto's Irresistible Dance' spell which is the ability to control mob and let bard make dps safely. Such as when meeting a crowd of mob, fascinate them all firstly and then make 'Otto's Irresistible Dance'+dps those mobs one by one. I think 16bard/2ftr/2rog will be classic build for Swashbuckler. Stun blow works as well, fascinate also works. so does the swashbucklers slap in the face attack- stuns for 1 sec. which is a 2 hit kill combo for trash. why gimp down instead of going 13 rogue/5bard/2ftr or power surge with 12 ftr/6 bard/2 rogue. Trading either of those class splits for a melee build to only obtain ottos dance seems worse. daze-sap, petrified, sleep, mesmerized, paralyzed, tripped all also work to combo with death blow

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Wipe VoD Slasher Offline Posts: 1917 Joined: Mar 26^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: So...Swashbuckler Reply #9 - May 20^th, 2014 at 7:48am	Print Post
	I have 16/2fighter/2rogue twf khop bard that I haven't touched since Motu. He still has Maximize and Quicken haha. Rapier, nothing in off hand, Precision, whole swf line, no cleaves or OC. Will try to fit Dodge, Mobility. Haven't decided between charisma or dex level ups, will have to see if it's possible to get to 60+ reflex while going for charisma build. So back to the classic 3 year old 16/2fighter/2rogue


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Arbitoroflife Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 125 Location: Hell Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: So...Swashbuckler Reply #10 - May 20^th, 2014 at 9:52am	Print Post
	20 bard halfling shuriken thrower, cause it just sounds badass if Coupe De Grace works with IPS.


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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: So...Swashbuckler Reply #11 - May 20^th, 2014 at 10:18am	Print Post
	I have an old 17bard/2rogue/1fighter that has been using rapiers for years. At the time (25 cap), she could do any trap in the game, and her DPS was better than bard average (which is still kinda meh). She will likely be my swashbckler. I haven't looked at it on Lamannia because I can't be bothered. I'll just mess with it on live. I assume the changes will be minimal: swapping TWF for SWF and redoing her enhancements.


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Vissarion DQ Assaulter Offline Posts: 493 Joined: Jul 23^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: So...Swashbuckler Reply #12 - May 20^th, 2014 at 11:39am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on May 19^th, 2014 at 7:17pm: Why 16 bard over 6 fighter? More feats, hp, defender stance. bard 13-16 offering only some song buffs, otto's dance, and greater heroism. i think even having the bard icon is worse than just splashing 5 bard on a 12 fighter or rogue. Mainly because I have an old shelved 16/2/2 and want to try it out as such before potentially TRing into a different split. Though I have considered the 12/6/2.

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Vendui Releaser Of Exploits Offline Dare to tempt your fates? Everything has a price. Posts: 2492 Location: Central WI Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: So...Swashbuckler Reply #13 - May 20^th, 2014 at 12:27pm	Print Post
	Arbitoroflife wrote on May 20^th, 2014 at 9:52am: 20 bard halfling shuriken thrower, cause it just sounds badass if Coupe De Grace works with IPS. I can confirm it does, i can also confirm halfing is a waste of time still, as its not fixed.. go drow for the free expertise.. (at least until said halfing is fixed) Drow gives the build more dps in the end. +4 dmg, + ~40% chance to toss a second without too much gear needed.. im working out the kinks currently and will post said build in Builds section when its done


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Vendui Releaser Of Exploits Offline Dare to tempt your fates? Everything has a price. Posts: 2492 Location: Central WI Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: So...Swashbuckler Reply #14 - May 20^th, 2014 at 12:28pm	Print Post
	rest wrote on May 20^th, 2014 at 10:18am: I have an old 17bard/2rogue/1fighter that has been using rapiers for years. At the time (25 cap), she could do any trap in the game, and her DPS was better than bard average (which is still kinda meh). She will likely be my swashbckler. I haven't looked at it on Lamannia because I can't be bothered. I'll just mess with it on live. I assume the changes will be minimal: swapping TWF for SWF and redoing her enhancements. Mostly minimal, lesser it so you can pick up 7 ranks of balance, or no SWF for you


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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: So...Swashbuckler Reply #15 - May 20^th, 2014 at 1:40pm	Print Post
	Vendui wrote on May 20^th, 2014 at 12:28pm: Mostly minimal, lesser it so you can pick up 7 ranks of balance, or no SWF for you Might already have balance.


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NaturalHazard VoD Slasher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1889 Joined: Jul 28^th, 2011	Re: So...Swashbuckler Reply #16 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 5:37am	Print Post
	Arkat wrote on May 19^th, 2014 at 5:01pm: Anybody have any thoughts on a Swashbuckler build? Right now I'm thinking Pure Drow Bard for the obvious +2 to DEX and CHA starting and the DEX/CHA stat enhancement as well as the plusses to Rapier damage and stuff like that. Obviously I'm thinking rapiers (the Mutineer's Blade against Undead and Balizarde against everything else) for weapons and the Epic Swashbuckler buckler from CC in the off-hand. These are all just preliminary thoughts off the top of my head so I was wondering if anyone else has put some real thinking into a Swashbuckler build or not? If you have and you don't mind sharing, could you please post what you are thinking? can still use celestia as your universal dr breaker when its more useful to break dr right? the drow enhancements work for shortswords and rapiers too?


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4337 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: So...Swashbuckler Reply #17 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 5:43am	Print Post
	NaturalHazard wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 5:37am: can still use celestia as your universal dr breaker when its more useful to break dr right? the drow enhancements work for shortswords and rapiers too? Yeah drow still works fine on lam, fvs still fucks em up

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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: So...Swashbuckler Reply #18 - May 22^nd, 2014 at 10:14pm	Print Post
	NaturalHazard wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 5:37am: can still use celestia as your universal dr breaker when its more useful to break dr right? the drow enhancements work for shortswords and rapiers too? Celestia make sense for DR breaking. Too bad it doesn't have a Red slot for a Resonance 138 augment.
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NaturalHazard VoD Slasher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1889 Joined: Jul 28^th, 2011	Re: So...Swashbuckler Reply #19 - May 23^rd, 2014 at 1:58am	Print Post
	Arkat wrote on May 22^nd, 2014 at 10:14pm: Celestia make sense for DR breaking. Too bad it doesn't have a Red slot for a Resonance 138 augment. orb in off hand?


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Arkat Chonus Christ Offline Hola Bienvenido Posts: 12345 Location: Wyoming Joined: Jul 13^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: So...Swashbuckler Reply #20 - May 23^rd, 2014 at 12:48pm	Print Post
	NaturalHazard wrote on May 23^rd, 2014 at 1:58am: orb in off hand? Thought about an Orb but the Swashbuckler buckler from CC is pretty nice.

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10p_rfr Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 8 Location: France Joined: Oct 8^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: So...Swashbuckler Reply #21 - May 24^th, 2014 at 6:46am	Print Post
	I'm staying with my current 16/2/2 to start with, see how it pans out, pure is just to feat starved to get the OC line on a str based build. Just need to decide between dex or str build since unless you use a shitty short sword you can't get cha to hit anywhere. They really should have allowed long sword to work with swashing.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4337 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: So...Swashbuckler Reply #22 - May 24^th, 2014 at 7:45am	Print Post
	10p_rfr wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 6:46am: unless you use a shitty short sword you can't get cha to hit anywhere. They really should have allowed long sword to work with swashing. So use a rapier.. Handaxes and LD are looking like a good option too.
	« Last Edit: May 24^th, 2014 at 7:47am by Munkenmo »
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NaturalHazard VoD Slasher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1889 Joined: Jul 28^th, 2011	Re: So...Swashbuckler Reply #23 - May 24^th, 2014 at 8:09am	Print Post
	10p_rfr wrote on May 24^th, 2014 at 6:46am: I'm staying with my current 16/2/2 to start with, see how it pans out, pure is just to feat starved to get the OC line on a str based build. Just need to decide between dex or str build since unless you use a shitty short sword you can't get cha to hit anywhere. They really should have allowed long sword to work with swashing. there are awesome named longswords out there? Why not use a rapier? I would rather have a scimitar over a longsword.


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10p_rfr Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 8 Location: France Joined: Oct 8^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: So...Swashbuckler Reply #24 - May 24^th, 2014 at 1:04pm	Print Post
	I've already planned for rapier, it's just an idle thought that with a long sword you can get cha for both to hit and damage so could open the option of potentially useful dc's as well as melee, currently if you use the cha for damage option from swash your not gonna hit a barn door.


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