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Re: Tinkerhell: The Uncentered Artichucker
Reply #25 - Jul 27th, 2014 at 2:20pm
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harharharhar wrote on Jul 27th, 2014 at 2:12pm:
fully fleshed TF sruiken with 10-60 Fire, Dragons Edge, Mortal Fear,


why not wrath instead of DE for trash?. Wrath is ~50 dmg /hit where as DE is ~20 (depending on how hard you crit)

Wiki claims it to only be 5%, but it procs closer to 20%. 1 in 5 hits procing an average of 230 aoe dmg, has got to be better than 35% fort bypassing. Unless its red/purple then i can see swapping to DE
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Re: Tinkerhell: The Uncentered Artichucker
Reply #26 - Jul 27th, 2014 at 3:12pm
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Vendui wrote on Jul 27th, 2014 at 2:20pm:
why not wrath instead of DE for trash?. Wrath is ~50 dmg /hit where as DE is ~20 (depending on how hard you crit)

Wiki claims it to only be 5%, but it procs closer to 20%. 1 in 5 hits procing an average of 230 aoe dmg, has got to be better than 35% fort bypassing. Unless its red/purple then i can see swapping to DE


I have both. I find DE killing trash better.

I think it's because:
1. it's a 5% proc, but DE bleed damage is 20% with a 17-20 crit range.
2. If it's really a 20% proc then yes that's quite compelling, but this is the first I've heard of that.
3. It has a reflex save, and it's not even very high. EH stuff I basically 1-2 shot everything, so I don't really need to worry about wrath/DE it's going to be dead too fast to matter. In EE, everything saves a 50 Reflex, which makes wrath really a lot more like 110-180 effectively (save for half). which is more like 170*5% = 8.5Damage per star.
4. I really need crits and SA damage, which means I need that Armor Piercing. When you're off-handing Glass Cannon or 14% Doubleshot, you can't offhand DE.

So you see, for this build anyway, generally it's better to go with DE if you can do the bleed. If you can't do the bleed damage, you probably need the armor piercing because things that don't bleed usually = things with high fort. And some things that bleed have high fort too.
  
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Re: Tinkerhell: The Uncentered Artichucker
Reply #27 - Jul 27th, 2014 at 3:47pm
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harharharhar wrote on Jul 27th, 2014 at 3:12pm:
2. If it's really a 20% proc then yes that's quite compelling, but this is the first I've heard of that.


i cant say for certain that its 20% or more, but i see it proc way to often to be 5%. It procs more than meteors, which are 2%, and i get meteors ~every 10 seconds on bosses/things with enough hp. On a dummy, i was getting burst effects ~every 6th hit Edited:
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, which is about 17% proc chance or so.. something liek that..
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Reply #28 - Jul 28th, 2014 at 5:56am
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How is armor of speed working for ranged/throwing? Same as haste, adding 22% (or 20, w/e) to ranged speed?
  
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Reply #29 - Jul 28th, 2014 at 9:19pm
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Limpgimp wrote on Jul 28th, 2014 at 5:56am:
How is armor of speed working for ranged/throwing? Same as haste, adding 22% (or 20, w/e) to ranged speed?


Seems to be exactly as haste, so 15% stated
  
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Reply #30 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 7:05pm
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Wish SWF applied to throwers Tongue would be far and away better than OWC, free a feat and str requirement, and you just have to keep your off hand limited to runearms meh.. Darn Devs.
  
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Re: Tinkerhell: The Uncentered Artichucker
Reply #31 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 7:56pm
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it did on lama at first. I've never gone back to test it on live, but I think I want to just in case.
  
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Reply #32 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 8:20pm
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Lvl 15, BaB10, QD, Rapid Shot, Speed V      0.8926sec/throw
Lvl 15, BaB10, QD, Rapid Shot, SWF, ISWF, Speed V      1.11sec/throw

Cheesy

SWF slows your throw speed DOWN by 10%/tier it would appear
  
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Reply #33 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 8:30pm
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O_o how in the world... stupid turbine
  
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Re: Tinkerhell: The Uncentered Artichucker
Reply #34 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 10:40pm
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harharharhar wrote on Jul 31st, 2014 at 8:20pm:
Lvl 15, BaB10, QD, Rapid Shot, Speed V      0.8926sec/throw
Lvl 15, BaB10, QD, Rapid Shot, SWF, ISWF, Speed V      1.11sec/throw



SWF slows your throw speed DOWN by 10%/tier it would appear


Did i miss the update that otherwise changed SWF to include thrown weapons?

It had already been stated that swf would NOT include ranged/thrown weapons, even if they are technically single weapon styled.. thus, removing Speed V from your second test would in fact slow down your throw rate. Unless of course i missed an update regarding them allowing thrown weapons to use swf..


If such an update did occur, SWF Swashbuckling pure halfing bard using swash tree for dex to dmg is looking sweeter yet. +20 Thunderforge stars and all.. Cheesy
  
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Re: Tinkerhell: The Uncentered Artichucker
Reply #35 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 10:52pm
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no.

its slowing them down, not speeding them up. why would you take a feat that slowed your throws?

If it did change to include thrown, you wouldnt need a pure 20 Bard to enjoy it I don't think.
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Reply #36 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 11:04pm
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harharharhar wrote on Jul 31st, 2014 at 8:20pm:
Lvl 15, BaB10, QD, Rapid Shot, Speed V      0.8926sec/throw
Lvl 15, BaB10, QD, Rapid Shot, SWF, ISWF, Speed V      1.11sec/throw

Cheesy

SWF slows your throw speed DOWN by 10%/tier it would appear


That sucks so much! now wonder my fucking dwarf seemed so slow even with the whirling wrists, fucking so stupid.
  
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Re: Tinkerhell: The Uncentered Artichucker
Reply #37 - Jul 31st, 2014 at 11:07pm
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harharharhar wrote on Jul 31st, 2014 at 10:52pm:
no.

its slowing them down, not speeding them up. why would you take a feat that slowed your throws?

If it did change to include thrown, you wouldnt need a pure 20 Bard to enjoy it I don't think.


Oh.. teehee.. i dint see you added the feats + speed v in test 2.. ~shouldnt forum lurk while insomnia-ted and desiring sleep...~  Ignore me.. ~wanders off to do something else until i eventually pass out for an hour or two~
  
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Re: Tinkerhell: The Uncentered Artichucker
Reply #38 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 10:23pm
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So.. any thoughts before I undergo the Tinkerhell? anything changed since the visionary concept? With the upcoming LD changes, ill possibly Main ED LD, with Prism twisted for flavor
  
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Reply #39 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 10:34pm
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things will change with OC changing and Paladin, but for now this is build is amazeballs with the right PL's and Equipment. Gotta have that 9%PL Doubleshot.

  
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Re: Tinkerhell: The Uncentered Artichucker
Reply #40 - Aug 2nd, 2014 at 10:39pm
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harharharhar wrote on Aug 2nd, 2014 at 10:34pm:
hings will change with OC changing and Paladin, but for now this is build is amazeballs with the right PL's and Equipment. Gotta have that 9%PL Doubleshot.


doing my last DS tomoro morning, if all goes according to plan..
  
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Reply #41 - Aug 3rd, 2014 at 5:00pm
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Will reply here, harr im definite for chukers, ranger is a definite must have.
Aimed shot, you said was garbage, but thing is it increments your archer focus, basically you swap to archer focus, throw a shuri while standing still and every shuri increments it, with high dshoot lets say its 4 throws, you get 12 stacks and with that 24% more missile damage.
As i picked 25 stacks maximum i can swap to archer focus throw once, swap to imp precise and when its off cd, do it again and keep stacks between 18-25 constantly.
As i assumed scrolling tensers is not a issue at all considering no encounter can survive a triple earth alche shuri during ee bravery streak.
All shots from deepwood work wonderfully.
I encourage you strongly to add ranger split to any of your thrower build since you are missing crazy ammounts of dps.
A 4x sniper shot, aimed shot, leg shot, merciful shot etc etc with perma archer stacks will out dps your best thrower build 
by a huge margin.

Also the more i play my own variant the more im impresed by it and find little meta tricks to make it stronger, shared only the archer focus one since its clear proof of outdpsing, also ranger version  outkilled any of your splits in any party so far.
Keep in mind im playing with a cast on right arm, so basically im outperforming others with 4 fingers less Wink
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Re: Tinkerhell: The Uncentered Artichucker
Reply #42 - Aug 3rd, 2014 at 10:49pm
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glad you like it.

I've had ranger, you keep ignoring that.

The way I play, it wouldn't be more DPS. It wasn't at the time.

I dont even like turning off IPS for AF for boss fights. Also this build is a doubleshot build, I take 10% Doubleshot from Mechanic.

I've already done the math for you on Sniper shot. In fury it's nice, outside of fury it's not great except for bluff. But I'd rather just Nerve Venom/Pin/Whistle.

You seem to be in the stage where you like seeing big numbers which is fun.

But the power of these builds is not in big numbers. It's in many, many, many scrolling numbers.
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Reply #43 - Aug 5th, 2014 at 3:55pm
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how abouuttt go 12druid instead of 12 arty  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Shocked
  

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Reply #44 - Aug 5th, 2014 at 10:52pm
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froggy wrote on Aug 5th, 2014 at 3:55pm:
how abouuttt go 12druid instead of 12 arty


Hms.. Loss of Tenser for 2m+ = What the fuck were you thinking?

Scrolling Tensers is LOSING dps during the cast and swap, especially on boss fights which is where these builds struggle most. Trash is not an issue, ever.
  
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Reply #45 - Aug 6th, 2014 at 2:43am
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Vendui wrote on Aug 5th, 2014 at 10:52pm:
Hms.. Loss of Tenser for 2m+ = What the fuck were you thinking?

Scrolling Tensers is LOSING dps during the cast and swap, especially on boss fights which is where these builds struggle most. Trash is not an issue, ever.


yes....but sploits.  You'd also be getting +25% throwing speed for fatal harrier, not sure if you are already maxed out on that though :3
and uh wolf form  Cheesy
  

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Reply #46 - Aug 6th, 2014 at 11:32pm
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froggy wrote on Aug 6th, 2014 at 2:43am:
yes....but sploits.  You'd also be getting +25% throwing speed for fatal harrier, not sure if you are already maxed out on that though :3
and uh wolf form 


Last i checked.. wulfies cant throw. :c

Throwing speeds already capped with tenser/whirl wrist
  
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Reply #47 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 1:05pm
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Is there an easy way of telling what will or will not proc from offhanded weapons?  Something like Blade of the High Priestess would be interesting with a death effect and they might roll a 1 on the paralyzing save, but of course that as so many other effects do not seem to apply.
  
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Reply #48 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 10:06pm
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many things used to, now almost nothing does.
  
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Reply #49 - Sep 7th, 2014 at 10:54am
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If Doublestrike on off-hand items adds to Doubleshot, does PTWF add it? I guess not, but did anyone check?
  
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