not only one. but 1.5 (e.g. terror+frigid arrows)

activate frost arrows with bow. equip shuriken. activate terror arrows. equip bow again (and shuriken after). reset ap.

harharharhar wrote on Jul 28^th, 2014 at 1:02pm:


It gets expensive.. currently costs 900k to reset my AA tree... XD

with the new OC changes incoming - would you make any changes?

Just wanted to say that I am loving this level split.  I went from pure 20 to this and even though I miss Abundant step, this is fun as hell.

Ohfaq wrote on Jul 28^th, 2014 at 12:27pm:

Heh. This crew be crazy.

harharharhar wrote on Jul 24^th, 2014 at 12:24pm:


just did some re-working of this build layout and realized your math is a wee bit off here. Specifically the part in red. Minimum 5 points spent to get tier 2, so minimum 6 points spent in tree, not 5, and because stealthy isnt worth 1 point, most likely take sneak attk 1, so 7 points spent, leaving you at 78 points spent total, not 76 XD

On a variant I never posted which is 9 Monk I go 6 Wizard 5 Rogue.

I don't really disagree with you at all, that 6th wizard level is quite nice and arguably worthwhile. Just the SP and Spell durations alone, with the extra Elemental damage as a kicker is great too.

I do not believe the Wizard cores are giving Doubleshot, though I would need to do a test to be sure. I'm traveling and have a beastly paper for my masters the next couple weeks though, so unlikely to be able to do so.

Also, 8/6/6 is just so much less attractive than 9/6/5

well lets be clear,

this isn't a large difference. The rogue version is still technically higher DPS. 3.5 SA dice is more than 1.5 Elemental, and constancy of SA is not really an issue on this build, especially in SD. Lots of things resist elemental damage too at various points in the game.

But, there are good trade offs for 6 Wiz.

6 Wiz can fairly be argued to be a better defensive split, and 9 Rogue to be a better offensive split.

harharharhar wrote on Aug 10^th, 2014 at 10:22pm:


hms, SA is nice, but not reliable every single hit like the imbue is, Especially for heroic levels or while running in something other than SD (especially with the LD changes coming) average of 1.5 on every hit seems like it would be more overall than 3.5 average 30% or even 33% of the time (sneak attack on bosses, trash dies too fast to matter either way SA or Elemental)

Shadehater wrote on Aug 11^th, 2014 at 5:45pm:


not sure whom your asking, so ill list my gear layout ^-^


Goggles: EE Shadowsight
Head: Dragon Masque
Neck: Mystic Eidolon Necklace
Trinket: Manual of Stealthy Pilfering
Cloak: Guardian Cloak(ml27)
Belt: Battlerager Harness
Ring1: Ring of Deciet
Gloves: Something of Dodge 10%
Boots: Con 10/Falselife 45
Ring2: EE Consuming Darkness
Bracers: Dumathoin Bracers
Armor: Flaweless Black Dragonscale - Fully upgraded
Weapon 1: Various Shuriken
Weapon 2: Celestia - Fully upgraded, TF SS - Devotion/Dragon Edge/Dwarven Lore Devotion

Forget what gloves.. Str or something with Dodge 10%..


Unbuffed 78 dex, 80 with Ability potion (10 min duration), 82 Yugo potion

I've been running in Tinkerhell for the last month so it's hard to recall, also I have multiple gear setups for different sitautions. EE I go more Defensive (Shadowscale, different Ring slots), or against undead i use a Deadly X/Resist 10 Hat and change up some other stuff.  If I know I'm going to take a lot of incoming Damage I put on Conv/Parrying Bracers or even Lesser Conv/Parrying Bracers and Gilvs Ring with +20% Hamp for 30/20/10% and a TF sword. Makes RC hit for like for 120-150 a tick before Crits. Then I put on 10Dex/10Dodge boots and lose a dex and some PRR, not the end of the world.

General purpose equipment that is relatively static:
I use Claw Set (Gem and Gloves)
Off hand TF/Celestia/Seeker 10, Deception VI, Red Slot SS/Rebellion
Duma Bracers
Dragon Masque
Necklace Eleidons
Prismatic Cloaks with +10 Resist (usually slot luck +2)
Eyes is +11 Wisdom or swap in +8 Wisdom True Sight as needed
+11 Con of False Life 50 (I know, ridiculous). And way better than Battle Ragers which does little to nothing for this build.

Rings are:

Ring of Stalker
10% TS DunRobar
125 Fort of Dodge 10
Seal of AviThoul (+2 Wisdom)

Again, sometimes there's variation. Like if I tank Reaver in FoT i throw on Djinni Ring with Purple Prismatic Cloak.

About battle ragers, i like the spike damage it adds nice dps, but as i was away from game, full in cast etc, took me 2 weeks to reach 27 this life (which is usually 2 days heh).
So as im impatient before i give it a go on 28, thing im interested and people im asking dont know or say yes.
Is the belts dstrike also granting dshoot?
If yes, then i think i can afford to get hit for the proc since the duration is considerably longish

Lelouch wrote on Aug 12^th, 2014 at 10:29am:



2nd ring: dont get me wrong, stalkers cute, so is avithoul for wisdom 2. But i dont use 10k, hell i dint even take the feat. I dislike the no-doubleshot period while 10k is not active. Currently i get more out of just DS over 10k. As for Stalker, trash dies so fast anyhow, the vorp manslayer is meh. Not to mention, theres nothing major missin in my set up dps wise other than maybe swapping to wolf cloak. I use guardian cloak because every little bit helps. In case you missed it, already got dodge item, and its in a decent enough slot. The 3bc gloves are nice and all, but meh. I dont use planar, because im almost always using the TF SS, in case you also missed that above.. I swap to celestia if I need to maintain aoe aggro, like on ragers or something. (Also, i slotted 2 wisdom, so def dont need to waste a ring slot on it. Having seeker 12 on ring works for me)