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Reply #50 - Aug 12th, 2014 at 2:05pm
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harharharhar wrote on Aug 12th, 2014 at 11:12am:
dont have one to test, but that would be badass re: Doublestrike.

10% On Damage 10d6 damage does not proc on shuriken that i know of, had a guildy test it a few weeks ago on dummy

dammit i dont want to run to get one of those things now if it does


I will have to test that out later and see.
  
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Reply #51 - Aug 12th, 2014 at 3:47pm
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Tested, ragers adds dshot, can add screenie if ya want.
The piercing doesnt work, but guard and the buff could make it a must slot, you could swap out belt tho when you get buff
/trying to imagine if piercing worked and if posion from ninja spy worked.. sigh.. if half the stuff worked for shuris they would be the only viable option when you go ranged
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Reply #52 - Aug 12th, 2014 at 5:09pm
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Lelouch wrote on Aug 12th, 2014 at 3:47pm:
Tested, ragers adds dshot, can add screenie if ya want.
The piercing doesnt work, but guard and the buff could make it a must slot, you could swap out belt tho when you get buff


That is way too cool!

My current capped set up is below though I rarely use the stuff since I'm grinding towards Epic Completionist  Tongue

Head: Dragon Masque (Deception, Insight SA +6, Deadly XI, Shadow Spike, Yellow slot: Vitality, Colorless slot: Ins Wis +2)
Goggles: EE Shadowsight (Wis +11, Accuracy X, Green slot: Resistance +8)
Trinket: Interim use Litany of Dead or Manual of Stealthy Pilfering (Good Luck +3, other stuff, Green Slot: Insight Int +2)
Necklace: Mystic Eleidons (+4 Insight Dex/Con, Eid Summons, Ghostly, Deathblock, Green slot: SP)
Cloak: Jeweled Cloak (+10 Elemental Resists, Colorless slot: Globe of TIB, Green slot: Good Luck +2)
Belt: Battlerager’s Harness (Intim +20, Spiked, Raging Focus, Vengeful Fury, Spike Guard, Green slot:  False Life +40)
Bracers: Dumathoin’s Bracers (Dex +11, 30 PRR, Ele Resists 45, Nat Armor +10, Blue slot: Golem's Heart)
Gloves: Iron Mitts (Str +8, Vitality + 40, HAmp +30%, Colorless slot:???)
Boots: Con +9-10, Seeker 9-10 (Colorless Slot: Heroic Insp)
Ring1: Ring of Avithoul (Dex +7, SA +5, Insight SA+3, Improved Deception)
Ring2: Seal of Dun’Robar (Con +7, Dodge 8, Tendon Slice +10) or Omniscience (Heightened Awareness 4, Except Reflex +2, Except Fort +25%)
Armor: Shadowscale (Shadow Phase, From Shadows, Fort 130%, Armor +10, +11 enhancement, Deathblock, Ghostly, +3 Profane Concent, Profane +1 Tactics, Blue slot: Crushing Wave, Green slot: Protection +8) or Black Dragonscale
Mainhand: TF Shuriken (Orange slot: Meteoric, Colorless slot: Int +8)
Offhand: TF SS (150 Pos, Dragon’s Edge 35% armor piercing, Spell Lore 17%, Orange slot: Ins Str +2, Colorless slot: Concentration +15)
Quiver: Quiver of Alcracity
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Reply #53 - Aug 13th, 2014 at 1:46am
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ChewyOoeyGoOey wrote on Aug 12th, 2014 at 5:09pm:
That is way too cool!

My current capped set up is below though I rarely use the stuff since I'm grinding towards Epic Completionist  Tongue

Head: Dragon Masque (Deception, Insight SA +6, Deadly XI, Shadow Spike, Yellow slot: Vitality, Colorless slot: Ins Wis +2)
Goggles: EE Shadowsight (Wis +11, Accuracy X, Green slot: Resistance +8)
Trinket: Interim use Litany of Dead or Manual of Stealthy Pilfering (Good Luck +3, other stuff, Green Slot: Insight Int +2)
Necklace: Mystic Eleidons (+4 Insight Dex/Con, Eid Summons, Ghostly, Deathblock, Green slot: SP)
Cloak: Jeweled Cloak (+10 Elemental Resists, Colorless slot: Globe of TIB, Green slot: Good Luck +2)
Belt: Battlerager’s Harness (Intim +20, Spiked, Raging Focus, Vengeful Fury, Spike Guard, Green slot:  False Life +40)
Bracers: Dumathoin’s Bracers (Dex +11, 30 PRR, Ele Resists 45, Nat Armor +10, Blue slot: Golem's Heart)
Gloves: Iron Mitts (Str +8, Vitality + 40, HAmp +30%, Colorless slot:???)
Boots: Con +9-10, Seeker 9-10 (Colorless Slot: Heroic Insp)
Ring1: Ring of Avithoul (Dex +7, SA +5, Insight SA+3, Improved Deception)
Ring2: Seal of Dun’Robar (Con +7, Dodge 8, Tendon Slice +10) or Omniscience (Heightened Awareness 4, Except Reflex +2, Except Fort +25%)
Armor: Shadowscale (Shadow Phase, From Shadows, Fort 130%, Armor +10, +11 enhancement, Deathblock, Ghostly, +3 Profane Concent, Profane +1 Tactics, Blue slot: Crushing Wave, Green slot: Protection +8) or Black Dragonscale
Mainhand: TF Shuriken (Orange slot: Meteoric, Colorless slot: Int +8)
Offhand: TF SS (150 Pos, Dragon’s Edge 35% armor piercing, Spell Lore 17%, Orange slot: Ins Str +2, Colorless slot: Concentration +15)
Quiver: Quiver of Alcracity


Why are you missing out on +4 Artifact damage from Claw set or Planar?
You should really slot +15 Heal somewhere in a colorless, and Balance if you can. Strength is useless. So is crushing wave. So is Golems heart.
  
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Reply #54 - Aug 13th, 2014 at 1:50am
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Vendui wrote on Aug 12th, 2014 at 2:04pm:
2nd ring: dont get me wrong, stalkers cute, so is avithoul for wisdom 2. But i dont use 10k, hell i dint even take the feat. I dislike the no-doubleshot period while 10k is not active. Currently i get more out of just DS over 10k. As for Stalker, trash dies so fast anyhow, the vorp manslayer is meh. Not to mention, theres nothing major missin in my set up dps wise other than maybe swapping to wolf cloak. I use guardian cloak because every little bit helps. In case you missed it, already got dodge item, and its in a decent enough slot. The 3bc gloves are nice and all, but meh. I dont use planar, because im almost always using the TF SS, in case you also missed that above.. Cheesy I swap to celestia if I need to maintain aoe aggro, like on ragers or something. (Also, i slotted 2 wisdom, so def dont need to waste a ring slot on it. Having seeker 12 on ring works for me)


I find myself using stalkers less and less, but very hard t ogive up Avithoul for 8 SA damage and Improved Deception. That ID proc is very important for maintaining SA damage if you're not wearing Backstabbers/Golden Guile. Did I miss something?

Also, why not Claw set? +4 Artifact damage is no joke. I didn't notice if you were using Black scale set for +2 Artifact damage or not.
  
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Reply #55 - Aug 13th, 2014 at 1:51am
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Lelouch,

How did you test?

It's really hard to test Doubleshot I find because you have to eliminate all forms of Doubleshot, including new ship buff that gives 3% or whatever it is.

Screenshot would be cool just for reference.
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Reply #56 - Aug 13th, 2014 at 5:15am
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harharharhar wrote on Aug 13th, 2014 at 1:51am:
Lelouch,

How did you test?

It's really hard to test Doubleshot I find because you have to eliminate all forms of Doubleshot, including new ship buff that gives 3% or whatever it is.

Screenshot would be cool just for reference.


http://postimg.org/image/ymhxoo1t7/

Can see in effects window, i also went around killng giants while the buff is active and noticed the increase in dshoot

/had to reset enchas since i had killer from ranger, but wasnt a big deal since i was about to etr anyways to shadowdancer version so even on mobs it showed i actually had the buff, also procd to offten to be the ship buff alone
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Reply #57 - Aug 13th, 2014 at 8:26am
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Lelouch wrote on Aug 13th, 2014 at 5:15am:
http://postimg.org/image/ymhxoo1t7/

Can see in effects window, i also went around killng giants while the buff is active and noticed the increase in dshoot

/had to reset enchas since i had killer from ranger, but wasnt a big deal since i was about to etr anyways to shadowdancer version so even on mobs it showed i actually had the buff, also procd to offten to be the ship buff alone

i presume the 3 shortcuts of shadow dodge are the 3 tiers of it. is there something fishy about it ,besides that each tier gives double dex than described? i've given it a quick try but i couldnt get them stacked all together.
(and i find it kinda difficult to believe that you put them there just for the times you want to boost a bit your fortification - why not deactivated it at all)
  
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Reply #58 - Aug 13th, 2014 at 9:44am
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Thats awesome, good to know.

Fuck my life i need a harness now.

I hate that raid.

  
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Reply #59 - Aug 13th, 2014 at 9:44am
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Ps: whats up with the 3 shadow dodges in your hot bar?
  
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Reply #60 - Aug 13th, 2014 at 10:08am
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hate unfilled space on bar, had to put smthn heh and yes i do swap stanced when needed for that extra fort.
Im weird and a clickie addict
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Reply #61 - Aug 13th, 2014 at 11:49am
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harharharhar wrote on Aug 13th, 2014 at 1:46am:
Why are you missing out on +4 Artifact damage from Claw set or Planar?
You should really slot +15 Heal somewhere in a colorless, and Balance if you can. Strength is useless. So is crushing wave. So is Golems heart.


Easy answer... I don't have all the parts for E Claw. I'm sure I'll eventually go back to try to farm for it but for now I'm focused on getting my E Completionist.

I do typically use Celestia & Planar set from 23 to 27 and sometimes at cap depending on the situation.

Good suggestions on augment placement, thanks!
  
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Reply #62 - Aug 13th, 2014 at 12:03pm
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harharharhar wrote on Aug 13th, 2014 at 1:50am:
I find myself using stalkers less and less, but very hard t ogive up Avithoul for 8 SA damage and Improved Deception. That ID proc is very important for maintaining SA damage if you're not wearing Backstabbers/Golden Guile. Did I miss something?

Also, why not Claw set? +4 Artifact damage is no joke. I didn't notice if you were using Black scale set for +2 Artifact damage or not.


Avithoul is easy to give up, im wearing Ring of Deciet (Has improved deception)

Claw set requires Bracer or Glove + Trinket.. Bracers are a no chance in hell, Gloves are situational, but ill use 10% dodge over +4 dmg, Trinket is mostly just a filler, its helpful for skills, but nothing else which is where i can put Planar conflux trinket, if i get a decent one.
  
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Reply #63 - Aug 13th, 2014 at 12:10pm
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Vendui wrote on Aug 13th, 2014 at 12:03pm:
Avithoul is easy to give up, im wearing Ring of Deciet (Has improved deception)

Claw set requires Bracer or Glove + Trinket.. Bracers are a no chance in hell, Gloves are situational, but ill use 10% dodge over +4 dmg, Trinket is mostly just a filler, its helpful for skills, but nothing else which is where i can put Planar conflux trinket, if i get a decent one.


I might have a few extra ones on Sunny. What conflux trinket are you looking for?
  

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Reply #64 - Aug 13th, 2014 at 2:25pm
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ChewyOoeyGoOey wrote on Aug 12th, 2014 at 5:09pm:
That is way too cool!

My current capped set up is below though I rarely use the stuff since I'm grinding towards Epic Completionist  Tongue

Head: Dragon Masque (Deception, Insight SA +6, Deadly XI, Shadow Spike, Yellow slot: Vitality, Colorless slot: Ins Wis +2)
Goggles: EE Shadowsight (Wis +11, Accuracy X, Green slot: Resistance +8)
Trinket: Interim use Litany of Dead or Manual of Stealthy Pilfering (Good Luck +3, other stuff, Green Slot: Insight Int +2)
Necklace: Mystic Eleidons (+4 Insight Dex/Con, Eid Summons, Ghostly, Deathblock, Green slot: SP)
Cloak: Jeweled Cloak (+10 Elemental Resists, Colorless slot: Globe of TIB, Green slot: Good Luck +2)
Belt: Battlerager’s Harness (Intim +20, Spiked, Raging Focus, Vengeful Fury, Spike Guard, Green slot:  False Life +40)
Bracers: Dumathoin’s Bracers (Dex +11, 30 PRR, Ele Resists 45, Nat Armor +10, Blue slot: Golem's Heart)
Gloves: Iron Mitts (Str +8, Vitality + 40, HAmp +30%, Colorless slot:???)
Boots: Con +9-10, Seeker 9-10 (Colorless Slot: Heroic Insp)
Ring1: Ring of Avithoul (Dex +7, SA +5, Insight SA+3, Improved Deception)
Ring2: Seal of Dun’Robar (Con +7, Dodge 8, Tendon Slice +10) or Omniscience (Heightened Awareness 4, Except Reflex +2, Except Fort +25%)
Armor: Shadowscale (Shadow Phase, From Shadows, Fort 130%, Armor +10, +11 enhancement, Deathblock, Ghostly, +3 Profane Concent, Profane +1 Tactics, Blue slot: Crushing Wave, Green slot: Protection +8) or Black Dragonscale
Mainhand: TF Shuriken (Orange slot: Meteoric, Colorless slot: Int +8)
Offhand: TF SS (150 Pos, Dragon’s Edge 35% armor piercing, Spell Lore 17%, Orange slot: Ins Str +2, Colorless slot: Concentration +15)
Quiver: Quiver of Alcracity


I personaly do similiar setup, difference my cloack is the evening challenge one for 5 stacking seeker and dodge as i got dodge capped since i have more monk/rogue levels and 3 shadar plifes. Boots i use fot ones since im running a ranger splash and got more then enough pos spp for selfheals, tho would swap to claw set if i had a t3 shortsword.
Rings, anvi seal and ee consuming. My setup is more crit focused since i have perma 15-25 archer focus stacks so damage is higher and crit plays a bigger role.
To you i would suggest a little tweak, why dont you slot 30% striding in some slot and use ee quiver of poison instead?


Also, directed at harr and all thrower fans, also 1 more thing to make you convert to ranger splash Wink
Anyways. im playing constantly with the ideas i said,  scroll tensors and swap between archer /improved precise and use aimed shot for perma 20-25 archer foc stacks.
After using up around 600-700 tensors scrolls after i came back from break /honestly so far in shuri build its way over 2000 scrolls in total since i bought a full inv tab for scrolls alone and had to restock ther today/, rebuff seems automatic and as i assumed no encounter lasts long enough for scroll duration beside boss fights.
Thing i noticed and i didnt realize last life, since it was a shiradi shuri (now its shadowdancer and so far its beyond better) life is that archer focus increases my sneak damage as well. Im assuming its coded as blitz is, increases all source damage bound to the coresponding style if it fits the rules set, aka ranged attack. Clear increase from 60-70 average to 100-120 per shuri when im fully stacked so it would be full benefit from archer for sneak as well. (only using tharnes since i just etrd and am testing sdancer). With full sneak gear it might be actually quite good
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Reply #65 - Aug 14th, 2014 at 12:01am
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Heres how i look at it:

1. AF is only useful on Red Purple names.
2. I have Archers Focus, i just only get 15 stacks instead of 25, which is 20% physical damage (and sa damage) versus red names. Since physical and sa damage is about about 60-70% total damage (procs are the rest) this is a real world increase of about 14% total damage on bosses.
3. The time to tales you to keep Tensers scrolled is about 5% of DPS time (3-4 seconds per minute) which is real world about 7-8% (100% dps * 4seconds/60 seconds)%. Using 1000s of Tensered scrolls to take Improved Archers focus nets you about 6-7% total against bosses.

Although, i haven't calculated the time to build 25 AF stacks, but with Ailed shot its not too long.

Ranger is not a bad split, but the amount it brings you ahead is small, for major play inconvenience iny mind. And cost. And this doesn't calculate time to clicky haste amd displace that i cam cast extended versions of quickly. Which is another DPS hit. It all adds up.

Clickies are deceptively wasteful, because the best way to do DPS is to do it, not stand around hitting clickies.
  
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Reply #66 - Aug 14th, 2014 at 2:38am
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Also a interesting fact, can also provide screenie, you can bug out monk stances when leveling up to have 2 active at same time.
No idea how to correctly reproduce that, also clears on loging and stance swaps, but doable to be perma 2-3 stanced with feat swap tokens, when you pick master/gmaster stance upgrades. Was running with both air and water, and no wasnt a    display bug, i actually had benefit from both stances.
About aimed shot, as it adds up stacks and procs for every shuri its quite good, you can look at it as perma increase vs all mobs, issue that comes with ranger split for most players it requires to be swaping stances swap for af and keeping track of your tensers time,  most players might find this annoying.
I can agree with the fact that most dont want to bother with scrolling and stance swaping, it all boils down to playstyle tho. Il guess that older ddo players would have no issues with scrolling since formerly in older epics ddo was more about a bazilion clickies then its now.

About haste, i do have clickies but usually i skip on epic reflex and let imp evasion take care of those nasty 1-s to get blinding speed. But, i have a bard bot which can provide perma haste /yet again many players dont have that nor a artie bot so its unrealistical for most community since i can clearly add the whole warchanter damage increase to all my calcs and deadly.

In case archer focus will increase new palie light damage as well, i forsee monk/palie/ranger throwers in future as insanely fun.
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Reply #67 - Aug 14th, 2014 at 3:42am
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When the fix SB to give x3 on throwers, the highest DPS build I've theorycrafted so far is:

10Bard, 5 Ranger, 5 Rogue, with Shuriken Expertise using empty hand SB for 10% Doublestrike. Or an Artificer version instead of Ranger for Rune Arm off hand. Rune Arms still add incredible off hand damage (~19).

If I can figure out how to sacrafice the Shadow Dodge dex, there might be room for an Arty, Bard Ranger split that could be very strong.

Of course, there's still Pally/Monk/Rogue once the new Holy Spell is added.

Throwers will get a lot more interesting and diverse with new Pally stuff, and fixed SB stance for throwers. I have a PM from Cordo that he and Devs are looking into it.
  
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Reply #68 - Aug 14th, 2014 at 10:31am
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Any idea if they will fix sting with named shuris?
  
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Reply #69 - Aug 14th, 2014 at 11:59am
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Ill ask and see if i can get an answer, ive been pestering them about the SB crit multi specifically, and i dont use the poison exploit so I havent been asking
  
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Lelouch wrote on Aug 13th, 2014 at 2:25pm:
To you i would suggest a little tweak, why dont you slot 30% striding in some slot and use ee quiver of poison instead?



First off, I appreciate all the feedback here to fine tune my capped gear which I intend to pay more attention to when I stay at cap.

Easy answer again is b/c I don't have an EE Quiver. I do have a EN or EH unbound one somewhere but I've been saving it for another toon who never gets played.

I think my biggest issue right now is I'm running out of bank space... With all my bound gear that I use while grinding for EPL's (including those that I kept from my heroic TR) and to *ahem* test xp stones, I'm reluctant to bind more gear at this time.

It's all good though. As my wife recently said on another issue, "First world problem", so in light of that I'm not gonna cry about much here.

Back on topic with this build, I want to emphasize how strong Dark Stars is (for those still wondering)... even at lvl 20 while running with 28's in EE (when they accept me), I'm often second in kills and rarely ever die.

In pugs, this build will often lead the kill count and I'm not all that great of a player.

These are my observations as I run this build through it's 4th Shadow Dancer life to cap.
  
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Reply #71 - Aug 14th, 2014 at 12:55pm
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Lelouch wrote on Aug 14th, 2014 at 10:31am:
Any idea if they will fix sting with named shuris?


Ive already asked. Sadly they would have to re-create every named thrower to fix sting of ninja, according to a dev.
  
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Reply #72 - Aug 16th, 2014 at 10:52am
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All of this thrower talk has me interested (I love the build and play style diversity in this game) to roll up one myself.  Your latest builds have been halfling based, and I refuse to play them for... reasons.  Are there any good variants with other races?

I tend to favor the relatively clicky-free builds but I can keep up that juggling act if needed.

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Re: Meteor Shower Rev 2: Dark Stars (9Rog/6Mnk/5Wiz)
Reply #73 - Aug 16th, 2014 at 11:27am
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RandomName wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 10:52am:
Your latest builds have been halfling based, and I refuse to play them for... reasons.  Are there any good variants with other races?


Reason why all throwers are halflings are the following 2 enhancements:

Master Thrower: You gain a +1 Competence bonus to the Critical Threat Range of returning thrown weapons.

Skillful Thrower: You can use your Dexterity modifier for damage with returning thrown weapons.

Those two enhancements are amazingly powerful. 

If you don't want to go halfling you have to take 8fighter levels to get +1 competance bonus to thrown weapons crit range, & you have to take 3 monk levels to get dex to damage with shuriken.

ie. If you don't go halfling you are locked into an 8fighter/3monk build just to get the same crit / damage profile as a halfling.

In short, halflings are the best tossers.
  

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Re: Meteor Shower Rev 2: Dark Stars (9Rog/6Mnk/5Wiz)
Reply #74 - Aug 16th, 2014 at 11:48am
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Munkenmo wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 11:27am:
In short, halflings are the best tossers.

Boo! I was hoping for a better way around those two enhancements.  I guess I'll keep/make my ranged weapon user as a monkcher or something.  At least that makes the Colors/DoubleShot choice easy.

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-RandomName
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