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Sep 1st, 2014 at 2:29am
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14 Paladin/6 Monk
Elf

Stat allocation
str  8
dex 20
con 14
int  10
wis 12
chr 12

Level Up plan Paladin 1-6 Monk 7-11 Paladin 12 Monk 13 Paladin 14-20
Feats
Point blank
Precise
Rapid Shot
Many Shot
Improved Critical
Improved Precise Shot
Master Stance
21 Overwhelming Critical
24 completionist
26 whatever
27 Blinding Speed
28 whatever

Monk feats
Deflect Arrows
Zen Archery
10k Stars

Points

Elf Tree 19  Arcane Archer Dex 2 Dex to damage with longbows.
Arcane Archer (useful things up to 36 points)
11 Ninja spy for shadow fade.
8 Henshin Mystic (+1 Ki regen)
6 pts for whatever.

My character planner is busted so I cannot get it to work right but this is a good base. 

Destiny Fury of the Wild
one list of suggested twists

Double Rainbow
Prism
Cocoon
Dance of Flowers

There are many good options here though.


Thoughts, concerns, suggestions?
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Re: Holy Roller
Reply #1 - Sep 1st, 2014 at 2:54am
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No combat archery?

Also, last time I checked, Double Rainbow doesn't work as a twist. It might work if you have enough pts to twist all three, but I don't know anyone who has tested this.

Also probably still better to mainstat Wisdom.
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Reply #2 - Sep 1st, 2014 at 3:21am
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You think so on the wisdom?

You are probably right though.

Combat Archery can be fit for any of the epic feat slots technically.  Not sure what to give up for it though.

I didn't know that on double rainbow.  Hmm opens up two twists then.  Probably based on your roll in a party which ones to take.
  
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Reply #3 - Sep 1st, 2014 at 3:30am
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You're going to want precision as well.

I would drop deflect arrows and blinding speed for precision and combat archery. This means you'll have to take a pally level before your first monk level, but it shouldn't mess up your levelling order too much.
  

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Reply #4 - Sep 1st, 2014 at 4:58am
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The build start with Pally so thats not an issue.  Im liking the advice though.
  
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Reply #5 - Sep 1st, 2014 at 5:00am
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Tring to find build points for Harper tree is proving difficult.  It iwll be worth it though I think.
  
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Reply #6 - Sep 1st, 2014 at 5:03am
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Shadehater wrote on Sep 1st, 2014 at 5:00am:
Tring to find build points for Harper tree is proving difficult.  It iwll be worth it though I think.


Instead of elf with dex to damage you could go sunelf and pick up int to damage from the harper tree.
  

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Reply #7 - Sep 1st, 2014 at 5:10am
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Holy crap I forgot they had access to arcane archer as well.
  
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Reply #8 - Sep 1st, 2014 at 5:17am
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yeah, i'm looking into harper int options since dex is too much wasted AP for my liking and there simply isn't room to fit in weapon focus ranged and bow strength.

14paladin looks a lot stronger as a tosser than a monkcher.

also, of note :  it says missile weapons, i'm not certain that includes bows.
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Reply #9 - Sep 1st, 2014 at 12:26pm
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Shadehater wrote on Sep 1st, 2014 at 3:21am:
You think so on the wisdom?



I didn't know that on double rainbow. 



Could be worse, you could have done 3 ranger lives, built a specific toon for it only to find out.

Which I can tell you makes a person feel very angry and dumb.
  
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Reply #10 - Sep 1st, 2014 at 4:35pm
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Munkenmo wrote on Sep 1st, 2014 at 5:17am:
also, of note:  it says missile weapons, i'm not certain that includes bows.

I'd say that bows/xbows are actually missile weapons, and not so sure that includes thrown weapons. But better check it out in-game, who knows what Turbine calls "missile".
  
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Reply #11 - Sep 1st, 2014 at 6:52pm
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Need a new round of lama to test.  This round has worked well for my inial build, but we will see where the crybaby forums makes things go.
  
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Reply #12 - Sep 2nd, 2014 at 2:54pm
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Did some testing during round 2.  I like the elf 14/6 dex build.  I would not do deflect arrows.  You can do precision as a monk feat and the instead of precision as a standard feat, you can take completionist.  Then, combat archery for completionist.

The benefit to elf is grace.  You can max dex to around 50 standing (with mountain stance on) and not have to worry about taking divine might.  I reinvested into ninja spy and took No Mercy and side benefit of better sneaking which is nice in solo.  Was hitting pretty hard with Fury Shots after that.

Negative is that you cannot go robot and are subject to the dispell/neg level spammerfeast that quells seem to be coded to do.

Negative to robot is that you cannot get AA going 14/6.  Old moncher robot build seems to fit nicer, but you lose holy sword.

There doesn't seem to be a perfect build now, but I think using something besides str is going to be the way to go.  Dex seems to me the best way as you also get better AC although int is good for skills.
  
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Reply #13 - Sep 2nd, 2014 at 3:09pm
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Munkenmo wrote on Sep 1st, 2014 at 5:17am:
yeah, i'm looking into harper int options since dex is too much wasted AP for my liking and there simply isn't room to fit in weapon focus ranged and bow strength.

14paladin looks a lot stronger as a tosser than a monkcher.

also, of note :  it says missile weapons, i'm not certain that includes bows.


Grace dex bonus replaces bow str.  I could not make a 14/6 split work as a str for bonus purely on a feat perspective.  From my testing on Lammania, Holy Sword (as it stands now) is a must have for non spell casting damage based toon.

I also found that the harper tree was not "all that" when I started investing in it.  I found No Mercy from ninja spy to be a huge bump in damage when using Pin and/or sneak attack damage. With enligtenment twisted and no need for str, I no longer needed to invest into Kotc or henshin.  I did enough to get grace in the elf tree, enough to get No Mercy in Ninja Spy and the went into AA.
  
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Reply #14 - Sep 2nd, 2014 at 3:21pm
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Shadehater wrote on Sep 1st, 2014 at 2:29am:
14 Paladin/6 Monk
Elf

Stat allocation
str  8
dex 20 (take this down a bit)
con 14
int  10 (i did this as well since skill pts are miniscule for pallys)
wis 12  (increase this a bit)
chr 12

Level Up plan Paladin 1-6 Monk 7-11 Paladin 12 Monk 13 Paladin 14-20
Feats
Point blank
Precise (completionist)
Rapid Shot
Many Shot
Improved Critical
Improved Precise Shot
Master Stance
21 Overwhelming Critical
24 completionist (Combat Archery)
26 whatever (positive spell power)
27 Blinding Speed (if it stacks with new boots, yes.  If not, imp martial arts)
28 whatever (Doubleshot or forced escape)

Monk feats
Deflect Arrows (precise shot)
Zen Archery
10k Stars

Points

Elf Tree 19  Arcane Archer Dex 2 Dex to damage with longbows.
Arcane Archer (useful things up to 36 points)
11 Ninja spy for shadow fade.  (23 points for No Mercy)
8 Henshin Mystic (+1 Ki regen) (don't need with enlightenment)
6 pts for whatever.  (i think that leaves 2)

My character planner is busted so I cannot get it to work right but this is a good base. 

Destiny Fury of the Wild
one list of suggested twists

Double Rainbow (Pin)
Prism (enlightenment T3)
Cocoon
Dance of Flowers

There are many good options here though.


Thoughts, concerns, suggestions?


With pin, you get all the added damage from sense weakness and no mercy on a helpless target.  Enlightenment T3 from grandmaster of flowers grants +1 ki regen.
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Reply #15 - Sep 2nd, 2014 at 3:36pm
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Kluege wrote on Sep 2nd, 2014 at 3:21pm:
With pin, you get all the added damage from sense weakness and no mercy on a helpless target.  Enlightenment T3 from grandmaster of flowers grants +1 ki regen.


Woah. Do blinded mobs count as helpless? Paralyzed? Tripped?

I thought only stunned and/or held mobs were counted as helpless.
  

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Reply #16 - Sep 2nd, 2014 at 3:52pm
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NOTSunnyshadow wrote on Sep 2nd, 2014 at 3:36pm:
Woah. Do blinded mobs count as helpless? Paralyzed? Tripped?

I thought only stunned and/or held mobs were counted as helpless.



Pin works.  Ottos arrow does not.  Nerve Venom I cannot remember off the top of my head since I never use Shiradi anymore.  I think blinded works for sneak attacks, but not helpless.
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Reply #17 - Sep 2nd, 2014 at 4:12pm
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Kluege wrote on Sep 2nd, 2014 at 3:52pm:
Nerve Venom


nerve venom works for no mercy, blinded didn't.  Never checked trip as I didn't have anyway to auto trigger it on my monkcher.
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Reply #18 - Sep 2nd, 2014 at 4:31pm
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Munkenmo wrote on Sep 2nd, 2014 at 4:12pm:
nerve venom works for no mercy, blinded didn't.  Never checked trip as I didn't have anyway to auto trigger it on my monkcher.


No Mercy AND sense weakness.  I think they are not mutually exclusive as my damage on helpless jumps when I added No Mercy back into the mix.
  
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Reply #19 - Sep 2nd, 2014 at 5:30pm
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Sorry Kluge you need precise shot for improved precise shot.   Monks do not get precise shot as a bonus feat either.   So your feat options are not idea.  Taking improved martial arts is a no go.

I also do not factor completionist in...but it can usually be fit in by those who try and have it.
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Reply #20 - Sep 2nd, 2014 at 9:04pm
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Shadehater wrote on Sep 2nd, 2014 at 5:30pm:
Sorry Kluge you need precise shot for improved precise shot.   Monks do not get precise shot as a bonus feat either.   So your feat options are not idea.  Taking improved martial arts is a no go.

I also do not factor completionist in...but it can usually be fit in by those who try and have it.


I think I went precision, not precise shot with monk one.  My mistake.
  
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Reply #21 - Sep 2nd, 2014 at 9:15pm
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Here are the feats I have on Lamm.. Looking at it right now in alphabetical form:

Grandmaster of Forms
Imp Critical
Imp Precise Shot
Manyshot
Master of forms
Point Blank Shot
Precise Shot
Precision
Rapid Shot
10K Stars
Zen Archery

Epic:
Overwhelming Critical
Combat Archery

So I think I took Grandmaster of forms in my epic feats.


  
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Reply #22 - Sep 2nd, 2014 at 10:45pm
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do not take GM of Forms if you are feat starved

Why would you?
  
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Reply #23 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 4:23am
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Yes I do not think I would.  Improved Martial Arts or Completionist all the way.
  
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Reply #24 - Sep 3rd, 2014 at 7:18am
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Shadehater wrote on Sep 3rd, 2014 at 4:23am:
Yes I do not think I would.  Improved Martial Arts or Completionist all the way.


IMA requires 12 monk
  
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