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Elf Ranged Paladin.Is it possible?
Sep 23rd, 2014 at 11:23am
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Sooooo, the reason I wanna' attempt this is because I've always wanted to make a ranged pally (elf!) and I already did monkcher/Barb AA/ pure ranger.(also doing this for pally past life)I heard also that holy sword is gonna' be a cool buff or some shit so I want that too, you know? Now when it comes to the build split, it's tough. 14 pally 6 ranger no evasion?  Undecided  8 pally 6 ranger 6 monk no holy sword and monkcher all over again?  Undecided This is a 36 pointer with 3 ranger, 3 monk, 1 fvs, 1 rogue past life with +4 tomes (except cha, +3). Booooy, this shit is hard *rubs head*
  
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Reply #1 - Sep 23rd, 2014 at 11:34am
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Also, maybe 14 p/6 m.
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Reply #2 - Sep 23rd, 2014 at 2:57pm
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Possible, but I am finding there are holes in every build I am trying.  I either have to dump the idea of monk and 10K stars or be very pigeon holed in a lot of ways.  Another issue was skills.  Pally's get almost nothing for skill points.

14p / 6m if you want 10k stars, evasion, and holy sword. 
  
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Reply #3 - Sep 23rd, 2014 at 6:02pm
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ooooo, I think this could work. 14 paladin, 4 ranger, 2 rogue or 2 monk! :0 Now for the leveling order, I need help with that so I can properly choose feats. Idc about 10k stars this life, already did it.
  
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Reply #4 - Sep 23rd, 2014 at 6:40pm
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it's possible, but imo 14paladin gives up too many ranger benefits.

Firstly rate of fire with bows is absolutely fucking awful, so (again imo) 6monk is absolutely required for 10k stars.

Next as a 14paladin / 6monk you're forced into taking an elven race for Racial AA.

That brings stats to be an issue, elves get the benefit of unlocking dex for damage with bows, but that nullifies the point of getting str from divine might.  Given that with divine might your str score will definately be better than your dex score getting bow strength is pretty much still required, so lets look at feats:

7 Heroic:
  • 1 point blank shot
  • 3 weapon focus ranged
  • 6 bow strength
  • 9 rapid shot
  • 12 many shot
  • 15 precise shot
  • 18 improved precise shot

3 Monk:
  • Precision
  • Zen Archery
  • Ten Thousand Stars

3 Epic:
  • Improved Critical Ranged
  • Improved Combat Archery
  • Either Master of Forms or Overwhelming Critical


There's no room for all the feats required to get optimal DPS let alone extra feats for enhancing or diversifying your build.

So comparing the opportunity costs of a
14pally/6monk:

Free twist slot
Holy sword:
  • +2 holy bonus to its enhancement value and +1[W].
  • +1 Competence bonus to the critical threat range, and multiplier of the weapon.



and then the 12monk/6ranger/2paladin:

Racial freedom
Up to +14 extra AP  (no need to reach tier 3 in racial tree or spend 4ap unlocking  AA)
Abundant step
Improved evasion
~36skill points.
Rams Might
Deepwood Stalker:
  • 15m Point blank shot range, +3 sneak attack dice, +30 pos spell power, sniper shot

5 Feats. eg:
  • Deflect arrows, Master of forms, Completionist, Quicken, Empower heal


I think a 14pally/6monk will be viable, but when compared to a 12/6/2 the 14paladin builds aren't optimal.
« Last Edit: Sep 23rd, 2014 at 6:42pm by Munkenmo »  

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Reply #5 - Sep 23rd, 2014 at 8:32pm
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Munk what do you think about shifting the current monkcher build?
Since dg is getting nerfed i was thinking more like 12 monk 5 palie 3 ranger, you get the free feats anyways from oc crit line.
And its still more saves that way, i was thinking 2 ranger but dont know, i mean being forced into a elf or helf /which might be ok since dual boost still/ but loss of sniper shot might hurt.

I just dont like the saves il lose as regular monkcher build.
Im doing the regular bf 12 6 2 now for funs sake and as i anticipate it being good for new raid for gear farm before i tr again to some caster thing (and i need my last 3 primal lifes so kinda limited on builds since im almost done with etrsing)
  
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Reply #6 - Sep 24th, 2014 at 12:10am
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I only went 2paladin for one life and quickly realised I didn't really need pally saves on an improved evasion monkcher. Imo 12/6/2FVS/cleric is the best option, keeps divine might and a twist slot.

As for 3 ranger, that precludes you from tiers 4 and 5 in Ranger AA.  If 5 paladin is for the neg level immunity, the AP is going to be incredibly restrictive, I'd much rather stick with 6ranger and get neg level immunity from Shadowdancer for times it's absolutely required.

The feats I'm gaining from OC are being spent on: Dodge, Completionist & Quicken
  

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Reply #7 - Sep 24th, 2014 at 1:13am
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Would suggest to spend on deflect arrows and the deflect upgrade, archers in new raid are deadly as hell
  
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Reply #8 - Sep 24th, 2014 at 1:52am
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my monkcher already has deflect arrows.
  

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Reply #9 - Sep 26th, 2014 at 10:05am
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I have to agree with munk....  I tried a ton of different ways to work in Holy Sword for ranged and the only way is 14/6monk and you HAVE to go dex build since you will not have the feats.  I also struggled to get the harper int bonus now that they moved that up the tree.

This may all change when they fully implement ranged power, but for u23, it will be best for 12monk 6 ranger 2 cler/fvs/pal.  I am leaning towards 2 cleric myself.
  
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Reply #10 - Sep 26th, 2014 at 1:26pm
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Can anyone describe the latest monkcher in details? I mean stats, feats, skills etc?

Only played monkcher couple years ago, and it's about time to TR my pure bard.
  
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Reply #11 - Sep 26th, 2014 at 2:49pm
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Oyster wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 1:26pm:
Can anyone describe the latest monkcher in details? I mean stats, feats, skills etc?

Only played monkcher couple years ago, and it's about time to TR my pure bard.


I think if you look up a pre- u23 moncher, it will be pretty much what you want.  Str based, get final wisdom up around 42 for 10k stars goodness and min dex for combat archery (21 dex to be able to select at lvl 21 or 24). 

The biggest difference will be that you get 3 feats back as you no longer need power attack, cleave and great cleave.  So, you can get empower heal if you go 2 FvS or Cleric...  and 2 feats of whatever else (extend or something).

With the latest pally nerf, it may not make sense going 2 Pally anymore since you can get the same from 2 FvS and save a twist.  I think -8 on the saves total post u23.
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Reply #12 - Sep 26th, 2014 at 3:43pm
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Kluege wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 2:49pm:
I think if you look up a pre- u23 moncher, it will be pretty much what you want.  Str based, get final wisdom up around 42 for 10k stars goodness and min dex for combat archery (21 dex to be able to select at lvl 21 or 24). 

The biggest difference will be that you get 3 feats back as you no longer need power attack, cleave and great cleave.  So, you can get empower heal if you go 2 FvS or Cleric...  and 2 feats of whatever else (extend or something).

With the latest pally nerf, it may not make sense going 2 Pally anymore since you can get the same from 2 FvS and save a twist.  I think -8 on the saves total post u23.


Pally nerf? What pally nerf?
  

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Reply #13 - Sep 26th, 2014 at 3:51pm
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He means the Divine Grace Nerf.

But frankly +8 to saves on a 2 splash is still a Cha 26, and quite a bonus.  You just wont have the approximately +13 from before.
  
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Shadehater wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 3:51pm:
He means the Divine Grace Nerf.

But frankly +8 to saves on a 2 splash is still a Cha 26, and quite a bonus.  You just wont have the approximately +13 from before.


The DG nerf isn't a nerf if you have more paladin levels Cheesy.

Yeah, I have a toon that's on its paladin life. As soon as it gets stronger, I'm TRing her into barbarian.
  

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Reply #15 - Sep 26th, 2014 at 5:58pm
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NOTSunnyshadow wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 4:00pm:
The DG nerf isn't a nerf if you have more paladin levels Cheesy.

Yeah, I have a toon that's on its paladin life. As soon as it gets stronger, I'm TRing her into barbarian.

This is also my plan. Use pally until u24 then go barb cos new op changes.
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Reply #16 - Sep 29th, 2014 at 11:14am
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Shadehater wrote on Sep 26th, 2014 at 3:51pm:
He means the Divine Grace Nerf.

But frankly +8 to saves on a 2 splash is still a Cha 26, and quite a bonus.  You just wont have the approximately +13 from before.



Yes, so the question you need to answer is do you want +8 to saves or Divine might as a spell (save a twist for regen turns) and access to empower healing as the big differences.  Also, I think the DG nerf will not hit this patch anyways so...  may be a moot point.
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Reply #17 - Oct 3rd, 2014 at 5:23pm
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I got it, 14 pally, 4 ranger, 2 monk. holy sword, evasion, just gotta' take many shot and improved precise shot.
  
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Reply #18 - Oct 3rd, 2014 at 8:15pm
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oh yeah, elven AA.
  
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