So, did anyone test KTA from the Harper tree?

It says:
Know the Angles: Activation cost: [45/30/15] spell points. Cooldown: 20 seconds. Antirequisite: Divine Might. You gain and Insight bonus to damage and the DC of tactical feats equal to 1/2 of your Intelligence modifier for [30/60/120] seconds.

Apart from the fact that ingame tooltip doesn't update duration, I've seen reports that it doesn't add 1/2 of INT mod, but 1/2 of INT (same as Divine Might), and that Antirequisite doesn't work. Which of that is true? 1/2 of INT mod seems kinda bad, as it's 1/2 of DM effect, but I guess the tradeoff that your build is not really hampered by it costing only 7-8 AP.

Also, would be interesting to know if it would double-dip INT for an artificer (or Harper T3). Looks like nothing prevents that.


I tried it on my char with meager 20 INT, but couldn't really see the difference in damage. So... does it work as written?

Would be interesting to find out on my Arty (58 Int) for increased X-Bow damage but I'll be damned if I'm buying Harper tree.

Lelouch wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 7:47pm:


Correctly as in "just like in tooltip"?

Tooltip states that it's 1/2 of INT Modifier. So with, say, 38 INT (fairly normal for non-main stat) you have +14 modifier, which translates in +7 to damage. It's ok, but not strictly better than DMight.

But if it adds 1/2 of INT, then it would be +19 to damage, which is mind-blowingly high. Yet I've seen people claiming it really was INT/2.

Stacking KtA with DM is nice if it works, I might try out something like Pal15/Wiz5 for Holy Sword Tenser Harper double-dipping in INT and getting extra from CHA.

e: Also, Harper tree is godsend for Assassins. It makes you deal damage even without sneak attacks.

DM adds to STR which adds to Stunning Blow which adds to damage with SW.

If KTA worked along side DM, that would be awesome.  Too bad Turdbine does not want us to have awesome.  Nerf incoming.

Considering it adds half int modifier to tactical, it beats dmight with that part.
Seems it works, tested a bit with sunder and trip.

Why d fuck did they allow me to get a dmight on a druid.
Sometimes i just dont understand turbine, its not like i needed more damage

Arkat wrote on Sep 30^th, 2014 at 6:31pm:


What tactical feats can your artificer do with his xbow?

Werebadger wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 6:38am:

No

Just checked now and despite the text about antirequisites, you can take both Know the Angles and Divine Might and have them both active at once.

5 Foot Step wrote on Oct 2^nd, 2014 at 6:48am:


Yes, that is certainly a tactical feat X3 even!

or more importantly does it stack with the Mechanic intel damage?

Hag Master wrote on Oct 4^th, 2014 at 11:45pm:


Yes.

The whole harper tree is an amazing repeater boost, much better in game then I thought it would be. Crazy better.

gawker wrote on Oct 6^th, 2014 at 2:20am:

Holy Cow! I didn't even think to try this...

I (painfully) put enough lettuce into the Harper to get Int to Dam on my assassin...wow...seriously...wow.  It's not really the first number damage that's the big draw (it's larger for sure), but my crits are BIG now...for a rogue.  Sneak numbers are ~150...damage boosted sneaks are ~250, with crits between 3-600.  I can actually kill things TO THEIR FACE!  31d6 sneak damage looks cool.

And by the by...kukri on an assassin...I didn't think they would trump daggers, but it appears they do.  They're awesome.