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The Trees Shall Rise Again
Oct 20th, 2014 at 11:52am
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Saw a video today of Whirlwind on a tree. Looks hella fun. Except they took 5/6 cleric and are using tier 5 from radiant servant. That and too many monk levels. Im sure we can do a better build.

Is there anyway to keep tree spirit up without having to take healing aura? Ideally I would like to take tier 5 in druid tree for alpha strike+whirlwind. And use wolf form to stack my tree arms with every named augment. As long as we are taking tier 5 in druid might as well push that to 9 druid get the better dog form and mainly natural fighting to get max hits on whirlwind and alpha strike.

What class splits? Druid 9, monk 2, and the rest is up in the air. Hinges on how well other things keep spirit up.  Any other aoe type cleaves that give more than 2 hits? If there are more cleave type attacks than taking cleric aura over alpha strike is better.

Healing is also why they take cleric aura. is there any way around this?
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Reply #1 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 12:45pm
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dance of death hit 4 targets with +5[w] for 10 seconds, every 15 maybe? but that would mean giving up alpha.
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 12:46pm
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If you did take the Tier 5 you could grab the 90% double strike as well, cool down is still a bitch on that tho.
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 1:40pm
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Strength of Spirit : When you hit with a melee attack, or cast a spell on an ally, or cast an offensive spell on an enemy, you gain 1 Spirit.

How does using healing aura stack Spirit?  Hitting your dog?  Light monk strikes should count in that case.  So you may want 3 monk.  Can do Tier 4 cleric with Ame strike for another way to make the tree swing an attack in general.
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Reply #4 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 2:06pm
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and you can only get a bump a spirit once every 3 seconds.  Cry
  
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Reply #5 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 2:15pm
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I need cleave type attacks or whirlwind type that are not in tier 5 so helaing aura can be taken. Otherwise clw wands and ice strom on mobs scrolling must be used.

Heal aura ticks every second giving spirit even when in tree form.

video of whirlwind monk in tree w aura
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaT2b8stSlA

I did limited testing on live. Consecrated Ground and Lay on hands both work in tree form for healing.
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Reply #6 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 2:36pm
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supreme cleave... except it's on a gimp class.  Embarrassed tier 3




Correction, currently gimp class  Grin
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Reply #7 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 2:42pm
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Can you sweeping strike in animal form if you have a staff equipped?
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Reply #8 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 2:43pm
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eldritch strike Roll Eyes 15 second cooldown is pretty long
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Reply #9 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 4:31pm
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Correction, currently gimp class

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Can you sweeping strike in animal form if you have a staff equipped?

dunno.

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eldritch strike  15 second cooldown is pretty long

yeah, pally attacks like divine sacrifice, retribution, and smite also works. But i wanted something that gets up to 4 hits like whilrwind and alpha strike.
  

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Reply #10 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 5:12pm
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and you can only get a bump a spirit once every 3 seconds.
  You could technically get more if Strength of Spirit works correctly.  An attack, a spell on an ally and a detrimental spell all firing could net you 3 at a time. 

FINDING those 3 things to make them fire simultaneously & consistently is the PITA.  Aura is a good one, and melee attacks are easy, detrimental...do guard procs count?  Weapon procs for curse?  Monk attacks like fire/water/lightning?
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 5:15pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 4:31pm:
But i wanted something that gets up to 4 hits like whilrwind and alpha strike.


Twist Lay Waste and Momentum Swing?
  
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Reply #12 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 5:31pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 2:15pm:
video of whirlwind monk in tree w aura
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaT2b8stSlA

Holy smokes that is ridiculous.  Even I could do EE with that.  Makes me want to cap primal avatar on my monk just to tinker with it.

Air stance to reduce the tree slow penalty?
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 5:53pm
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Aeolwind wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 5:12pm:
  You could technically get more if Strength of Spirit works correctly.  An attack, a spell on an ally and a detrimental spell all firing could net you 3 at a time. 

FINDING those 3 things to make them fire simultaneously & consistently is the PITA.  Aura is a good one, and melee attacks are easy, detrimental...do guard procs count?  Weapon procs for curse?  Monk attacks like fire/water/lightning?

Firing or casting; Spirit on tics, not just the initial cast?

Zombie tree with Death Aura ticking? Or do you give up your "type" when you take tree form? Seems like they probably wouldn't work together.

There's an Evil Dead themed character here if they do.
  
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Reply #14 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 5:53pm
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  That is insane.
  
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Reply #15 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 5:54pm
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Aeolwind wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 5:15pm:
Twist Lay Waste and Momentum Swing?

Think they dont work in wolf form, at least momentum i think doesnt
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Reply #16 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 5:56pm
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Lay Waste does work unarmed/animal forms, Momentum doesn't.  Makes them both pretty pointless here imo.
  

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Reply #17 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 6:06pm
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gibbon wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 5:53pm:
Firing or casting; Spirit on tics, not just the initial cast?
Healing fires on tick with Radiant Aura, death aura may work for the detrimental spell tick.
  
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Reply #18 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 6:09pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 11:52am:
What class splits? Druid 9, monk 2, and the rest is up in the air


11druid/7wiz/2monk

7 Wizard = 2 meta feats: Extend + quicken.
Extended Lesser Death Aura, Death aura = no save no spell pen does 2 ticks of damage to help keep your aura going.
You can cast fireshield for a guard effect to help add procs
And get a cleave from EK.

  

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Reply #19 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 6:11pm
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Munkenmo wrote on Oct 20th, 2014 at 6:09pm:
11druid/7wiz/2monk

7 Wizard = 2 meta feats: Extend + quicken.
Extended Lesser Death Aura, Death aura = no save no spell pen does 2 ticks of damage to help keep your aura going.
You can cast fireshield for a guard effect to help add procs
And get a cleave from EK.


Was thinking pale aura myself, but would it work in avatar form?

Im leaning more toward barb for supreme cleave.. But monk... barb.. How would swf transfer to tree?
Do a barb bard cleric mix ?
OR a barb cleric wizz? Silly tho

Would for example wraith form be negated so you cant selfheal? OR would vamp forms neg levels transfer if in tree form, would you be able to selfheal in tree form?

(this has my interest now)

I didnt play former tree builds, friend wanted to tell me some things about em but i was away and busy so dont know basics. Is unarmed and monk required for strike attacks for animation seq reset?
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Reply #20 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 6:23pm
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I don't care at all about self healing from death aura's, they're just there to keep ticking over primal avatar charges to sustain woad for as long as possible.

Cleaves are used to make up for the abysmal attack speed.  Surpeme Cleave is a tier 3 ability, so a 9druid, 7wiz, 4barb may well work better than 2monk from a cleaving perspective.

Ultimately though I'd still want 2wf and Natural fighting which is where 2monk or 2 fighter make for a better build.

Thinking about it, I prefer a 2 fighter Heavy armor build:

35 Base ASF
-5 EK core 2
-15 Augment Crystal
-15 Arcane Fluidity  (I'd chose half elf for racial damage boost, and rogue dil)

Final Build:
Helf
11druid/7wiz/2fighter

Feats:
7 heroic: PA, cleave, Great Cleave, 2wf, Icrit, Nat fighting, Nat Fighting
2 Fighter: i2wf/g2wf (@19/20)
2 Wiz: Quicken, Extend
Epic: Overwhelming Crit, Nat Fighting, emp heal
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Reply #21 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 6:28pm
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Need to check how feats work out but im on the barb druid wizz path as well.
IF supreme cleave can be spammed properly then you could maybe drop regular cleaves leaving space for 2 weapon figh line?

Also depends on content for him for example aura does teh spell damage tick stacking and healing at once.
Now if you were in undead content and healed undead with d aura.. hmm what would happen?
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Reply #22 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 6:43pm
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Cleaving Focused only :

Human 9druid/7wiz/4barb (only medium armor prof, so no need for arcane fluidity)

Feats:
7 heroic: Cleave, Great cleave, Dodge, Mobility, CE, Spring Attack,  2wf
2 wiz: Extend, Quicken
1 Human: PA
epic: Whirlwind, i2wf, g2wf.

giving up improved crit / ocrit for 80% off hand attacks seems like a smart choice.
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Reply #23 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 7:03pm
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Hmm another idea, wolf basically gives only dstrike and fatal which wouldnt work anyways.
So drop druid, add ranger win win faet wise.
Something like ranger/wizz/barb?
Could get dstrike lost from killer, feats and some tempest shineys like growing storm and dance since you arent bount to cleric t5 anymore, it has more aoe, more dstrike, and growing storm for burst and hm maybe sprint boost to zerg to next pack, im only interested what happend to undead forms when transformed to avatar, does the immunity /conceal stay? Since you could do a dunno 12 wiz 5 ranger 3   barb for example /other splits come to mind but just throwing around ideas
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Reply #24 - Oct 20th, 2014 at 7:09pm
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Druid is for Alpha Strike.
  

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