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Re: The Trees Shall Rise Again
Reply #50 - Oct 23rd, 2014 at 4:12am
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Can anyone say what's the crit profile in tree form?
Kinda pita to test so if anyone has done this already I'll appreciate the info.
  
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Reply #51 - Oct 29th, 2014 at 10:38am
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SayWhatAgain wrote on Oct 23rd, 2014 at 4:12am:
Can anyone say what's the crit profile in tree form?

19-20. I cant test if it is actually any lower since dummy dies too fast. I could read combat log when I quest, but 2 lazy ;p

level 20 currently, looking like the best dps build in game.
  

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Reply #52 - Oct 29th, 2014 at 10:57am
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Rubbinns wrote on Oct 29th, 2014 at 10:38am:
19-20. I cant test if it is actually any lower since dummy dies too fast. I could read combat log when I quest, but 2 lazy ;p

level 20 currently, looking like the best dps build in game.


Thx for the input.

Dps is really great (and aoe at that) for when you have short to medium breaks between fights but sustainable boss beat down? The way you see it perform atm, would you take a tree build into an ee mod or a swf Pali?

My money is on the Pali though for soloing typical quests the tree seems great (not that a Pali would struggle).
  
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Reply #53 - Oct 29th, 2014 at 11:13am
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SayWhatAgain wrote on Oct 29th, 2014 at 10:57am:
ee mod or a swf Pali?

MoD I'd probably rather pally.

SayWhatAgain wrote on Oct 29th, 2014 at 10:57am:
you have short to medium breaks between fights but sustainable boss beat down?

It's all tree all the time. Minimal downtime. I took turn regen from radiant tree and twisted tier 1 turn regen from DC( should probably be brace for impact in that twist slot but w/e). Damage boost from LD and consecrated ground+sacred ground as my other twists.

SayWhatAgain wrote on Oct 29th, 2014 at 10:57am:
My money is on the Pali though for soloing typical quests the tree seems great (not that a Pali would struggle)


For smashing pillars in WGU, pallies arent beating tree time.
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Reply #54 - Oct 29th, 2014 at 12:15pm
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Gotcha.

Ya I meant tree would be superior to Pali in most quests.
The twists from DC are a must, consecration + sacred synergies with tree form remarkably well.

Btw it's 19-20 before imp crit correct?
Crit mult is 4 iirc.
  
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Reply #55 - Oct 29th, 2014 at 12:28pm
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SayWhatAgain wrote on Oct 29th, 2014 at 12:15pm:
Btw it's 19-20 before imp crit correct?

19-20 with Imp Crit Bldg.
  

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Reply #56 - Oct 29th, 2014 at 2:35pm
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You went with the monk cleric palie version rubb?
  
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Reply #57 - Oct 29th, 2014 at 2:51pm
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Lelouch wrote on Oct 29th, 2014 at 2:35pm:
You went with the monk cleric palie version rubb?

Almost, yes. 9 monk / 6 fighter/ 5 cleric. 

I wanted to fit in full 2wf, whirlwind and great cleave lines. Managed to squeeze in empower heal, OC, grandmaster stance, and epic damage reduction. Epic destiny feats are p2wf and forced escape.

Whilrwind DOES NOT proc 4+ hits if uncentered in anyway(so far 5 is max I've got but I dont think it is max potential). Whether wearing hvy armor and using wraps or in robes and using uncentering weapons(both 2wf or thf weapons- tested esos and death nipsx2), whirlwind will only hit twice unless centered fully.

Seems that only monks can use it this way. Does not matter what weapons are used as long as centered. I tested 2 short swords and a quarterstaff.

unyielding sovereignty and rejuvenation of dawn(morninglord) can be used in tree form.

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Reply #58 - Oct 29th, 2014 at 4:35pm
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What were your starting stats for this build?  Seems like they would be pretty spread out for everything to work.
  
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Reply #59 - Oct 29th, 2014 at 6:02pm
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Should be pretty much brute max str con, no brainer there
  
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Reply #60 - Oct 29th, 2014 at 6:18pm
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Lelouch wrote on Oct 29th, 2014 at 6:02pm:
Should be pretty much brute max str con, no brainer there


yep, mostly.

Fatty Mcgee wrote on Oct 29th, 2014 at 4:35pm:
What were your starting stats for this build?  Seems like they would be pretty spread out for everything to work.

I didnt min/max just threw it together quickly. I felt that trying to get 2 more points out of the build seemed like it wasnt needed for a tree. Started with 14 dex to hit 15 for twf and 17 for g2wf. Int must be 13 for combat expert. No other reqs.

16 str
14 dex
16 con
10 int ( natural starting point as sun elf)
8 wis -dumped-
12 cha ( mainly for DM and some UMD)

if going human or pdk can skip out on 2 fighter levels because free feat makes up for it.



Level 1 (Cleric)

Feat: (Selected) Power Attack

Level 2 (Cleric)

Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting

Level 4 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge

Level 5 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light

Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell

Level 7 (Monk)

Level 8 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Mobility

Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Great Cleave
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack

Level 10 (Cleric)

Level 11 (Cleric)

Level 12 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting

Level 13 (Cleric)

Level 14 (Fighter)

Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Master of Forms

Level 16 (Fighter)

Level 17 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise

Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Whirlwind Attack

Level 19 (Monk)

Level 20 (Monk)

Level 21 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical

Level 22 (Epic)

Level 23 (Epic)

Level 24 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Grandmaster of Forms

Level 25 (Epic)

Level 26 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting

Level 27 (Epic)
Feat: (Selected) Epic: Epic Damage Reduction

Level 28 (Epic)
Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Forced Escape





2 ap into warpriest for smite and dm.
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Reply #61 - Oct 30th, 2014 at 5:59am
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Hmm fighter for feats mainly and some prr, think il try a ranger version and go with wraps, not sure if you get tempest stuff from ranger tho. Main reason would be to get killer and to try out dance /just try out
No idea, maybe 9 monk 5 cleric 6 ranger.
Since you said about whirlwind not working wout wraps mainly must do centerd splits now (its only centerd as prereq?).. Kills the fun with possible barb splits booo.
Did you test if stun fist works in tree form?
Balanced attacks?
IF its coded same as wolf for purpose of getting tempest buffs if you are 2 weapon wielding /maybe 2 shortswords then, does poison stance from ninja spy work in tree?
I will asume no.
Also how does offense/defense feel?
Would be going for more defense /as fighter or for offense /as ranger be benefical for the build?

(lotsa questions i know heh but since you are running one hope you can test some of those things)

Il work on something once im done with arcane lifes, 2 more alatricity to go.
Twists i am thinking about are, consecration, sacred ground cocoon and balanced.
Could do all tiers of sacred ground with cocoon maybe tho.
Its hmm. 4 3 2 1 setup which i have available.
A costy build imo.
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Reply #62 - Oct 30th, 2014 at 7:37am
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Since you said about whirlwind not working wout wraps mainly must do centerd splits now (its only centerd as prereq?).. Kills the fun with possible barb splits booo.


Not necessarily, you dont have to have monk levels to be centred.
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Reply #63 - Oct 30th, 2014 at 8:45am
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Rubbinns wrote on Oct 29th, 2014 at 2:51pm:
Almost, yes. 9 monk / 6 fighter/ 5 cleric. 

I wanted to fit in full 2wf, whirlwind and great cleave lines. Managed to squeeze in empower heal, OC, grandmaster stance, and epic damage reduction. Epic destiny feats are p2wf and forced escape.

Whilrwind DOES NOT proc 4+ hits if uncentered in anyway(so far 5 is max I've got but I dont think it is max potential). Whether wearing hvy armor and using wraps or in robes and using uncentering weapons(both 2wf or thf weapons- tested esos and death nipsx2), whirlwind will only hit twice unless centered fully.

Seems that only monks can use it this way. Does not matter what weapons are used as long as centered. I tested 2 short swords and a quarterstaff.

unyielding sovereignty and rejuvenation of dawn(morninglord) can be used in tree form.



I see how rejuv of dawn can be a life saver due to the build MO, grab as many mobs as possible toss consecration make sure your aura still has some time left and rely on aoe dps, heal over time and damage avoidance/mitigation to leave you standing and everything else spread eagle on the floor in neat circle around you.

Regarding feats, you could lose empower heal, grandmaster of stances and epic dr in favor of going 12m/5cleric/3pali (original build) gain cha to saves, abundant step, more monk saves and weapon damage IF you go human. If you stay sunelf You'll have to give up a feat that hurts. However going human allows you to double action boost which is very nice especially with LD's action hero.

Both splits work well I imagine however 12/5/3 is how I'm going to go.
  
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Reply #64 - Oct 30th, 2014 at 9:58am
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Can you Amilio Estevez with Tree Form? I'm thinking to make some concessions to pick up a cleric pl with a sun elf. Might take it to 12 if perma-blur works in form and I'm already spending ap to get Amilio.

Also has anybody checked if the Amaunator perma fire shield tics spirit?
  
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Reply #65 - Oct 30th, 2014 at 11:02am
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Munkenmo wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 7:37am:
Not necessarily, you dont have to have monk levels to be centred.

Are you alluding to possibly twisting in GMOF ability to cause the centered state and then get 4 swings; on like Khopesh by going 8 fighter?
  
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Reply #66 - Oct 30th, 2014 at 12:00pm
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gibbon wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 9:58am:
Also has anybody checked if the Amaunator perma fire shield tics spirit?

No, will try on my alt. Good idea.

gibbon wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 9:58am:
Might take it to 12 if perma-blur works in form

I normally displace and have abbot necklace/shroud smoke. No eros. Never even seen it drop.

SayWhatAgain wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 8:45am:
Both splits work well I imagine however 12/5/3 is how I'm going to go.

Better saves. 8 feats, 3 martial feats, +3 epic feats on human. 5 for ww, 3 grt cleave, 3 g2w, oc, still leaves you with 2 epic feats of choice if you dont want empower and grandmaster. Possibly vorpal strikes/improved martial arts, monk past life.

Lelouch wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 5:59am:
Did you test if stun fist works in tree form?

didnt pick up feat, but other monk ki attacks work, so im guessing stun should.

Lelouch wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 5:59am:
Balanced attacks?

Yes. And can aoe on ww.

Lelouch wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 5:59am:
does poison stance from ninja spy work in tree?

I'll test later.

Lelouch wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 5:59am:
Also how does offense/defense feel?
Would be going for more defense /as fighter or for offense /as ranger be benefical for the build?

Defense is worse than a pllay in hvy. Offense is lol. My ref and will saves are low for ee and had to take forced escape. kept getting command/otto.

Lelouch wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 5:59am:
balanced.

It comes in the tree for being a tree. No need to twist.

SayWhatAgain wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 8:45am:
I see how rejuv of dawn can be a life saver due to the build MO, grab as many mobs as possible toss consecration make sure your aura still has some time left and rely on aoe dps, heal over time and damage avoidance/mitigation to leave you standing and everything else spread eagle on the floor in neat circle around you.

Is the builds M.O. Unless you dont give a fuck about SP. Then going in and out of tree form for 35 sp a pop is fine. I use divine healing. it's cute, uses turns, can hit aura and then hit divine healing before going into tree.

Quote:
Divine Healing: Divine Healing: Your target heals 1d4/2d4/4d4 hp every 2 seconds for 2 seconds per point of Heal skill you possess. (Cooldown: 2 seconds)


Munkenmo wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 7:37am:
Not necessarily, you dont have to have monk levels to be centred.

Interesting. How so? And I think the ability granting ww extra hits may have to do with flurry of blows. Can that be had without being monk?
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Reply #67 - Oct 30th, 2014 at 1:14pm
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SayWhatAgain wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 8:45am:
I see how rejuv of dawn can be a life saver due to the build MO, grab as many mobs as possible toss consecration make sure your aura still has some time left and rely on aoe dps, heal over time and damage avoidance/mitigation to leave you standing and everything else spread eagle on the floor in neat circle around you.

Regarding feats, you could lose empower heal, grandmaster of stances and epic dr in favor of going 12m/5cleric/3pali (original build) gain cha to saves, abundant step, more monk saves and weapon damage IF you go human. If you stay sunelf You'll have to give up a feat that hurts. However going human allows you to double action boost which is very nice especially with LD's action hero.

Both splits work well I imagine however 12/5/3 is how I'm going to go.


I assume sunelfs passive aura can proc the on spell cast spirit tick as well.
Dual boost seems ok, but what would you dual boost with heh.
Damage and melle power?
Think that damage boost alone might be enough
Really want a barb mix myself heh.
Need to hear from munk how to, maybe handwraps without monk levels while in tree form provides centerd flag?
Or longswords with feat.
No idea.
Maybe dumb as ddo is, swap to gmaster while with wraps to get stance flag and swap back to primal.
OR the regular kensei junk that kinda makes the whole thing difficult to build since its t5


(and yes was dumb totally missed that balanced is in primal heh)
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Reply #68 - Oct 30th, 2014 at 1:18pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 12:00pm:
Better saves. 8 feats, 3 martial feats, +3 epic feats on human. 5 for ww, 3 grt cleave, 3 g2w, oc, still leaves you with 2 epic feats of choice if you dont want empower and grandmaster. Possibly vorpal strikes/improved martial arts, monk past life.


Other two feats I plan to take are Imp crit and Precision. The extra crit mult for 19-20 in earth stance is too good to give up imo (especially with very high seeker that is easily achievable), that and the large portion of mobs/bosses in new end game content that have 100% fort makes precision very good to use.
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Lelouch wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 1:14pm:
I assume sunelfs passive aura can proc the on spell cast spirit tick as well.

Will test today along with few other things you guys asked above.

Lelouch wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 1:14pm:
Damage and melle power?

Yeah, can break 25k crit possibly with high enough str, seeker, deadly and some sneak. Im lv 24 atm and not at max potential.

  

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Lelouch wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 1:14pm:
I assume sunelfs passive aura can proc the on spell cast spirit tick as well.

No. tested. Standing holding block proccing light damage and no spirit increased.

Lelouch wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 5:59am:
does poison stance from ninja spy work in tree?

Not from what i saw. I tried ship dummy and few mobs in evestar. You might want to try testing yourself. I gave up fast.
  

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Rubbinns wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 12:00pm:
Defense is worse than a pllay in hvy. Offense is lol. My ref and will saves are low for ee and had to take forced escape. kept getting command/otto.


There's +6 v. enchantment in the sun elf tree if you can free up 3ap.
  
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gibbon wrote on Oct 30th, 2014 at 11:11pm:
There's +6 v. enchantment in the sun elf tree if you can free up 3ap.

It is pretty good. I can spare some ap from something and get 2ap into it. When I cap saves should be mid 70s and low 60s for will. But that is in water with gh.

Im not using twists to get an edge in saves either. Between FoM and Circle of Evil I should have most will saves covered. For otto's I'll have to deal with harper pin and forced escape as backup.
  

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Reply #73 - Oct 31st, 2014 at 12:44am
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Reply #74 - Oct 31st, 2014 at 3:39am
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Need to fucking force myself to do 2 last arcane lifes as palemaster.
Thinking that tree build could bring some fun to ddo again.
i might be wrong, but it looks extremely fun since you have spirit to keep track off and figure how to use form and spam all those cleaves and ki attacks.
Il give it a try, proly sun elf something, maybe i take your split, but il think about it when  i etr once more.
Really like how they seem to be more complicated to play then casters melles nowadays.
  
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